steroids make you stupid?

[Kilburn]

watch some ronnie DVDs and interviews. he used to be alot more articulate back in the 90s. nowadays he seriously sounds boarderline retarded. obviously it doesnt happen in all cases and you would have to be using for a very long time but do steroids fuk up your brain?

[Redz]

No they do not in fact some research has shown the opposite to be true.

[Kiem]

Been on for 6 weeks and don't feel anymore retarded than I was before. I do feel like simple jack sometimes, but Testosterone Yoo Yoo You Makee Make Me me HaHappyyyyy! :D

[gordi]

Taking TRT doses of test cyp (100 mg/week) genuinely seems to have improved my memory and mental quickness.Who knows, though, maybe in a few years it'll turn around...

If I understand Running Man correctly, though, steroids do make you deaf.

[AlbertaBeef]

You would think pumping blood to all that extra muscle could deplete the brain or at least compramise the efficiency. I don't know but steroid users are Goveners in the states and I bet you more than half of the white house is on some form of test. I found this int A study by researchers at the Yale School of Medicine has found that high levels of testosterone can lead to a disastrous loss of brain cells. The research, published in the Journal of Biological Chemistry, indicated that raised testosterone levels from steroid use or testosterone replacement therapy (used to treat male menopause) were enough to trigger neurodegenerative effects in the brain.

"Next time a muscle-bound guy in a sports car cuts you off on the highway, don't get mad, just take a deep breath and realize that it might not be his fault," said study author Barbara Ehrlich, adding that the highly aggressive tendencies observed in steroid users could be evidence of the alterations in neuronal function taking place in the brain.

Ehrlich explained that in the brain, testosterone acts as a neurosteroid and can induce changes at the cellular level, which can in turn lead to changes in behavior, mood and memory. In her study, Ehrlich showed that high levels of testosterone triggered programmed cell death in nerve cells. Cell death (apoptosis) is critical to biological processes and is characterized by membrane instability, activation of caspases (the executioner proteins in apoptosis) and DNA fragmentation.

"We have demonstrated for the first time that the treatment of neuroblastoma cells with elevated concentrations of testosterone for relatively short periods induces a decrease in cell viability by activation of a cell death program," she explained. "Low concentrations of testosterone had no effects on cell viability, whereas at high concentrations the cell viability decreased."

The overstimulation of the apoptotic function in brain neurons witnessed during exposure to testosterone has in the past also been associated with a number of neurological illnesses, such as Alzheimer's disease and Huntington disease.
eresting.

[Kilburn]

Taking TRT doses of test cyp (100 mg/week) genuinely seems to have improved my memory and mental quickness.Who knows, though, maybe in a few years it'll turn around...

If I understand Running Man correctly, though, steroids do make you deaf.

obviously at such a low dose you have absolutely nothing to worry about.


Been on for 6 weeks and don't feel anymore retarded than I was before. I do feel like simple jack sometimes, but Testosterone Yoo Yoo You Makee Make Me me HaHappyyyyy! :D

bad example i'm thinking more along the line of aspiring pros, guys who stay on high doses of test and tren for years at a time. ronnie is a good example of this.


You would think pumping blood to all that extra muscle could deplete the brain or at least compramise the efficiency. I don't know but steroid users are Goveners in the states and I bet you more than half of the white house is on some form of test. I found this int A study by researchers at the Yale School of Medicine has found that high levels of testosterone can lead to a disastrous loss of brain cells. The research, published in the Journal of Biological Chemistry, indicated that raised testosterone levels from steroid use or testosterone replacement therapy (used to treat male menopause) were enough to trigger neurodegenerative effects in the brain.

"Next time a muscle-bound guy in a sports car cuts you off on the highway, don't get mad, just take a deep breath and realize that it might not be his fault," said study author Barbara Ehrlich, adding that the highly aggressive tendencies observed in steroid users could be evidence of the alterations in neuronal function taking place in the brain.

Ehrlich explained that in the brain, testosterone acts as a neurosteroid and can induce changes at the cellular level, which can in turn lead to changes in behavior, mood and memory. In her study, Ehrlich showed that high levels of testosterone triggered programmed cell death in nerve cells. Cell death (apoptosis) is critical to biological processes and is characterized by membrane instability, activation of caspases (the executioner proteins in apoptosis) and DNA fragmentation.

"We have demonstrated for the first time that the treatment of neuroblastoma cells with elevated concentrations of testosterone for relatively short periods induces a decrease in cell viability by activation of a cell death program," she explained. "Low concentrations of testosterone had no effects on cell viability, whereas at high concentrations the cell viability decreased."

The overstimulation of the apoptotic function in brain neurons witnessed during exposure to testosterone has in the past also been associated with a number of neurological illnesses, such as Alzheimer's disease and Huntington disease.
eresting.

i knew it. it appears that 10+ years of steroid use permanently fuked ronnie's brain. polumboisim basically means that high doses of steroids turn your body into that of a neanderthal. it makes sense to me that the same thing that can happen to the body can happen to the brain.

[bigdaddydrew123]

maybe fame just turns you into an idiot,think your a genious when your really just egotistical,and say whatever pops in your head ,whether it makes sense or not

[oharad]

i think we need some vid links to compare 90s ronnie to present day ronnie!

[IronRobi]

watch some ronnie DVDs and interviews. he used to be alot more articulate back in the 90s. nowadays he seriously sounds boarderline retarded. obviously it doesnt happen in all cases and you would have to be using for a very long time but do steroids fuk up your brain?

Anybody who can understand what Ronnie is saying has to be incredibly smart. So based on that observation; steroids will turn you into a genious. :bch

[shithead]

True kilburn, very true!

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By Maggie Fox, Health and Science Correspondent
Wed Sep 27, 8:23 AM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Too much testosterone can kill brain cells, researchers said on Tuesday in a finding that may help explain why steroid abuse can cause behavior changes like aggressiveness and suicidal tendencies.

Tests on brain cells in lab dishes showed that while a little of the male hormone is good, too much of it causes cells to self-destruct in a process similar to that seen in brain illnesses such as Alzheimer's.

"Too little testosterone is bad, too much is bad but the right amount is perfect," said Barbara Ehrlich of Yale University in Connecticut, who led the study.

Testosterone is key to the development, differentiation and growth of cells and is produced by both men and women, although men produce about 20 times more of the hormone.

It can also be abused, and recent scandals have involved athletes who use the hormone, or steroids that turn into testosterone in the body, for an unfair advantage.

"Other people have shown that high levels of steroid can cause behavioral changes," Ehrlich said in a telephone interview.

"We can show that when you have high levels of steroids, you have high testosterone and that can destroy the nerve cells. We know that when you lose brain cells you lose function."

Ehrlich's team tried the same thing with the "female" hormone estrogen, just to be fair.

"We were surprised, but it actually looks like estrogen is neuroprotective. If anything, there is less cell death in the presence of estrogen," she said.

Writing in the Journal of Biological Chemistry, Ehrlich and colleagues said their findings meant people should think twice about supplementing with testosterone, even if it does build muscle mass and aid recovery after exercise.

"These effects of testosterone on neurons will have long term effects on brain function," they wrote.

"Next time a muscle-bound guy in a sports car cuts you off on the highway, don't get mad -- just take a deep breath and realize that it might not be his fault," Ehrlich said in a statement.

The cells die via a process called apoptosis, also known as cell suicide or programmed cell death.

"Apoptosis is an important thing for the brain -- the brain needs to weed out some of the cells. But when it happens too frequently, you lose too many cells and causes problems."

A similar process is seen in Alzheimer's disease, the most common cause of dementia in the United States, affecting an estimated 4.5 million Americans, and Huntington's disease, another fatal brain illness.

"Our results suggest that the responses to elevated testosterone can be compared with these pathophysiological conditions," the researchers wrote.
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[shithead]

Link - http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060927/...estosterone_dc (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060927/hl_nm/testosterone_dc)

[shithead]

Maybe Nolvadex would help to counter these effects.

[spankmonkey]

Interestinly enough the international chess association has just started testing for steroids and HGH. Some of those scholastic bastards are pretty smart.

[BAM]

I''m pretty sure I was already stupid before I tried steroids.

:o

[GTZ3]

TBH Ive noticed this even with a few bros at my gym, or athletes/pro wrestlers. You know, the guys that have been on for 10+ years and spend alot more time on than off. The sentences just come out slower sometimes, stupid things get said almost like verbal diareah. Even Cutler seems stupider from his old vids from the early 90s, and yeah Ronnie Coleman is borderline retarded.

Then you have someone like Arnold ... the dude was always sharp, and @ 60 hes still completely on the ball - but in his BBing days he basically only ever used a TRT dose of test, and lived of Deca, Primo, and Dbols. Could this just be a coincidence? who knows.

Ill bump this thread in 20 years when Ronnie is 60 (assuming the ever looming jammer dosnt strike) and see how his cognition is compared to Arnolds.