Lookin to start a cycle, heres a pic tell me what you think ?

[freshh]

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/9240/1504071754sk9kz8.th.jpg (http://img223.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1504071754sk9kz8.jpg)

Lookin to get a more leaner/ripped look at the same time keeping mass.

Was thinking prop and anavar .. what do you think?

[tex]

hmm...prop is good....anavar sucks imo.....it wrecked my blood.....and its expensive.....how old are you?

[spankmonkey]

dido on age , food intake and is this your first cycle?

[fathead]

youre doing well but arent ready for the sauce. keep going and keep up the good work

[freshh]

ive got about 2 under my belt..

first time did sust for about 8 weeks, got good gains off it

second time i did test p with tren , 8 weeks aswell

20 years old btw.

[Dk]

ive got about 2 under my belt..

first time did sust for about 8 weeks, got good gains off it

second time i did test p with tren , 8 weeks aswell

20 years old btw.

No offense but as far as size goes you do not match upto 2 cycles.

Could you go more into the details on your first 2 cycles? diet? etc.

and how long did you even train naturally

[Carbonbase]

IMO...20 is too young.

[Ritch]

I agree with what was said about your present level of hugeness with the previous cycles done. Do you even know how many calories you eat in a day? Is your training planned weeks or months ahead at a time? You can still make some gaines naturally, don`t give up it takes alot of time.

[fathead]

im assuming youre coming here for advice, so here it is... if you dont want it then dont read it, it is not meant to be snide or mean.

you do not look like a steroid user. you do not look a person who is even ready to use steroids.

20 years old... personally i have no issue with a 20 yr old using gear (im gonna catch flame for this but whatever) as long as they are using properly and have made some serious gains up to the point of using, which you have not. i sauced it at about 21 myself, but i was well over 200 lbs at 5'9 when i did. theoretically it was still too "early" but i dont regret it.

spend some $$ and hire someone to design a program and diet for you, it will be the best time/money/effort you ever spent.

good luck

[oharad]

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spend some $$ and hire someone to design a program and diet for you, it will be the best time/money/effort you ever spent.

good luck


damn good advice

[yeahhhhh]

I wouldn't worry about his age so much now since he has already done two cycles and most likely closed his growth plates.

True, I'd say he doesn't look like he has done two cycles, however, not every person takes steroids to look like a professional bodybuilder or weigh 250lbs. In my opinion steroids is like any other recreational drug and there are other psychological reasons to take it besides just gaining crazy amounts of muscle.

Everyone has different goals for what they want their body to look like. Maybe he just wants to be a little bit bigger and leaner. Yes he could do that naturally but it will take lots of time and effort. Don't most people choose the easy way out? It is just how todays society is.

Will it really make a difference if he juices at this size as opposed to getting bigger naturally and then juicing? He is still going to be taking juice either way and technically "cheating" so what does it matter if it just takes him an extra couple cycles to get there. If steroid side effects arent an issue then I dont think it really matters.

We are talking about putting illegal hormones into your body and its just as risky if you've been training for years or are just starting. If he can afford it and doesnt care about the side effects then I dont see what the big deal is.

I think the whole things about getting as big naturally as you can is just to make sure you are training properly and have a good diet.

I'm not saying he should or shouldn't do it. This is just my opinion and i dont see a difference either way.

[Ritch]

I wouldn't worry about his age so much now since he has already done two cycles and most likely closed his growth plates.

True, I'd say he doesn't look like he has done two cycles, however, not every person takes steroids to look like a professional bodybuilder or weigh 250lbs. In my opinion steroids is like any other recreational drug and there are other psychological reasons to take it besides just gaining crazy amounts of muscle.

Everyone has different goals for what they want their body to look like. Maybe he just wants to be a little bit bigger and leaner. Yes he could do that naturally but it will take lots of time and effort. Don't most people choose the easy way out? It is just how todays society is.

Will it really make a difference if he juices at this size as opposed to getting bigger naturally and then juicing? He is still going to be taking juice either way and technically "cheating" so what does it matter if it just takes him an extra couple cycles to get there. If steroid side effects arent an issue then I dont think it really matters.

I'm not saying he should or shouldn't do it. This is just my opinion and i dont see a difference either way.

I agree with what you said. Acutally regret not doing more juice ( 2, 2 weekers and a 12 week cycle) The juice will make you bigger much faster, so I can understand someone not wanting to wait like 10 years to look like their jacked... Go for it my man juice up. I don`t really know how smart you are when it comes to nutrition, but if I were you, I would read up what john berardi has to say. Look him up.

[Big D]

i have a buddy and we cycle almost at the same time and we started taking gear at the same time, hes average 180 pounds and i'm around 250, he usually gets whatever i get so we use the same gear, but my friend doesn't know how to eat he thinks he eats a lot, but it not even close, and he doesn't understand that. i think diet is a big thing here.

[nisser]

You look pretty decent in there but not good enough if you've really done 2 cycles, one of them being tren. I think you need to work more on your diet since you aren't getting the most out of your cycles (or losing most of your gains because your diet isn't up to par).

[tiramisu]

Try Starting Strength or 5x5

[freshh]

robert can you get more into detail? i have a pretty basic routine.

chest and tris day 1 - 4 sets of bench @ start from 135 second set 155 3rd set 185 last set 225. i rep 225 about 4-5 times but the rest are 8 .

bi and back day 2 - 3 sets of bicep work outs - dumbells preacher curls and pullys. etc etc..

i think i should be goin less sets and more weight and when you say 5x5 im assuming your talkin bout some serious strength training like say with the bench hitting up 5 sets of 210 would be good imo.

[Seth]

The question is not about closing growth plates, its about being able to workout and grow properly without steroids. Anyone depending on steroids won't be able to keep their gains because they don't know how to diet and work out properly.

[yeahhhhh]

The question is not about closing growth plates, its about being able to workout and grow properly without steroids. Anyone depending on steroids won't be able to keep their gains because they don't know how to diet and work out properly.

if that is the case then why does age have any significance? are you saying that just because someone is under 21 years they cant eat or train properly? i disagree

i do agree that diet and training is important for keeping gains and maintaining muscle. however, steroids are used to take individuals above their natural genetic potential. once you get to a certain point i think that a person may depend on steroids to keep them there. for instance i dont think that ronnie coleman would be able too keep all of his muscle if he stopped juicing and just started training naturally.

[yeahhhhh]

freshh,

Take a look at your diet. I would eat around 6 meals a day. You want to take in around 1.5g to 2g of protein per pound of body weight.

Since you are 180lbs that would mean 270 - 360 grams of protein per day or 45g to 60g per meal. Your fats and carbs will depend if you are trying to bulk or lean out. Try and get as much protein from natural foods as you can. Chicken, fish, steak, lean ground beef, cottage cheese stuff like that. You can also take a protein shake here and there. Also drink lots of water, around 4 litres per day.

I like to train one muscle group per day. I train anywhere from 45 min to 1.5 hours per day. Push yourself everyday but listen to your body when it needs rest as well. I usually do 4 or 5 exercises per body part with 3 sets of 8 -10 reps. I used to do 4 - 6 reps of heavy weight but now i think my body responds better to more reps. Dont worry so much about weight right now, but make sure you are working out with proper form. The weights will come later. Make sure to sleep at least 8 hours every night. Remember your muscle doesnt grow in the gym. Your muscle grows later on when it is repairing itself thats why eating properly and sleeping is so important.

Also try and avoid drinking large amounts of alcohol if at all possible. It will just ruin your hard earned gains.

[Seth]

I didn't say anything about age, that was from someone else's post. As for going above genetic potential, the person on the picture is nowhere near his natural genetic potential(and yet had used steroids before). You have to admit that it does look like someone who's going straight for steroid dependence. I mean, if you've got muscle when you're on and you become skinny fat every time you're off, you will most likely not want to come off. Which is pretty much like Coleman(as you said); he does not cycle off. He has accepted he'd be on steroids for the rest of his life. I'm pretty sure that's not what we want for our friend here.

[Ritch]

It makes sense seth what you are saying. Steroids should only be used by those who already knows what works for them. There`s a saying that steroids are like a wild card. Would you use your wild card if you only had a low hand. Wait until your hand is stronger then when you play that card, it`s lights out...

[yeahhhhh]

I didn't say anything about age, that was from someone else's post. As for going above genetic potential, the person on the picture is nowhere near his natural genetic potential(and yet had used steroids before). You have to admit that it does look like someone who's going straight for steroid dependence. I mean, if you've got muscle when you're on and you become skinny fat every time you're off, you will most likely not want to come off. Which is pretty much like Coleman(as you said); he does not cycle off. He has accepted he'd be on steroids for the rest of his life. I'm pretty sure that's not what we want for our friend here.


ok i see where your coming from. it makes sense to be disciplined and have a good diet and know how to train properly before taking roids. after all we should have respect for these chemicals we are putting in our bodies

[freshh]

thanks for the advice all !