A cutter to end all cutters

[bigZ241]

Ok, so I have decided my next cycle is going to be a cutter. I've always been over about 12% body fat and I want to demolish that. I want to see myself ripped, once and for all. So I want to put together a helova cutter! I still have about 4 weeks left to the cycle i'm in now, then PCT after that, then some time off in between cycles. So I have lots of time to tweak everything. But I want to get started now. I've done one winny/T3/prop cutter before and got pretty damn good results, but i really want to try some tren! Here's what I'm thinking right now without any serious research

1-9 100mg prop EOD
1-9 75mg Tren Ace EOD
1-8 T3*
1-X Anavar XXmg/day

1-9 proviron 50mg/day
1-9 HCG 200IU E3D
1-X Caber XXmg/day

PCT
IGF-1
Nolva
Clomid

I need to fill in the 'X's so any suggestions that way would be great. But really any suggestions are what I want. Only thing, I don't want to run the T3 longer than 8 weeks, everything else is up for discussion!

*For the T3, I'm going to ramp up from 50mg/day to 150mg/day then back down, spending only about 10days at 150mg

[JonnyO]

lets see your diet and then we'll see if its the cutter to end all cutters. lol.

Instead of anavar I'd use Winny with Proviron, they work very well together, not PCT.

[bigZ241]

Thanks for the quick reply. Like I said this is real preliminary. Don't you worry, I'll post a nice meal plan once I get that all written up, it will change depending on which meals i'm going to want to pack up take with me for the day vs. the meals i can get while at home. I know diet is more important than the cycle on top of it, and all this obviously doesn't work without getting up on the treadmill and doing cardio. The cycle isn't the be-all and end-all to cutting. I just want to make sure nothing is missing from my cycle

[AlladdinSane]

lets see your diet and then we'll see if its the cutter to end all cutters. lol.


hehe

[ZeOne]

I'm with JonnyO. I cannot comment on the cycle until I see the diet, first and foremost.

[spankmonkey]

Its not the cycle its the diet as already stated. Cycle supports and/or enhances the diet/exercise/sleep routine.IMO

[bigZ241]

Fine, forget I asked. If someone could please delete this thread it would be appreciated. I'll research this on my own and save my questions. Sorry for any inconvenience to anyone on this board.

EDIT: JonnyO Thank you for suggesting winny over anavar. I appreciate that you still offered a suggestion even though you wanted to see my diet

[gsxr750]

Now now.. lets help this guy. Assuming his diet is in check already. I mean, he's mentioning PCT and has some experience, we're so quick to help people who are new and post things like I'm gonna run DBOL for 12 weeks with 800mg of tren.

[bigZ241]

Now now.. lets help this guy. Assuming his diet is in check already. I mean, he's mentioning PCT and has some experience, we're so quick to help people who are new and post things like I'm gonna run DBOL for 12 weeks with 800mg of tren.

sorry if more was needed for my PCT

Nolva: 40/40/40/40
Clomid day 1 300mg, 150/150/50/50
IGF-1 LR3: 4 weeks at 80IU bilaterally post workout in trained muscle group

also, check your PM

[gsxr750]

Nono that's not what I meant, I mean obviously you've got a head on your shoulders and i'm sure some people will chime in for you.

[ZeOne]

Fine, forget I asked. If someone could please delete this thread it would be appreciated. I'll research this on my own and save my questions. Sorry for any inconvenience to anyone on this board.

EDIT: JonnyO Thank you for suggesting winny over anavar. I appreciate that you still offered a suggestion even though you wanted to see my diet

bigZ, don't be sarcastic if you're asking for help.

If you really knew how insignificant is the type or choice of the AAS compared to what you eat, you wouldn't be posting one without the other. Just to illustrate a point, I will take it to extremes. On that exact same cycle with the exact same dosage, eat McDonald's all day and you will not drop a single point of body fat and you will end up looking like Peter Griffin well before your PCT. Eat half your maintenance calories and you will be both losing fat and lean body mass like there is no tomorrow.

A lot of people here have a lot of experience under their belts. The good attitude to have in this case is to post your diet plans and with both information available we can then criticize a lot better the cycle you posted and offer you a tangible help and advice.

[gsxr750]

Hahaha thanks to whoever gave me negative rep for posting in this thread trying to give this guy hope so he didn't give up on the forum.

Hilarious.

Look the guy said he's been down to 12% body fat before. I eat clean and train hard and i've never been that lean. I don't think his diet is terribly out of whack to get to 12%.

But I agree, to get below 12% he will need a strict diet, and hopefully eventually he will post that or start another thread and we can help him on that side of things too.

[gsxr750]

I read that ramping the T3 in and out of your system is pointless and just a waste of money.

I think Simon85 knows more about this hopefully he can give you some advice there, also he has just recently completed a cutter that worked VERY well for him he is a good guy to ask for help.

[gustavo77]

Ok, so I have decided my next cycle is going to be a cutter. I've always been over about 12% body fat and I want to demolish that. I want to see myself ripped, once and for all. So I want to put together a helova cutter! I still have about 4 weeks left to the cycle i'm in now, then PCT after that, then some time off in between cycles. So I have lots of time to tweak everything. But I want to get started now. I've done one winny/T3/prop cutter before and got pretty damn good results, but i really want to try some tren! Here's what I'm thinking right now without any serious research

1-9 100mg prop EOD
1-9 75mg Tren Ace EOD
1-8 T3*
1-X Anavar XXmg/day

1-9 proviron 50mg/day
1-9 HCG 200IU E3D
1-X Caber XXmg/day

PCT
IGF-1
Nolva
Clomid

I need to fill in the 'X's so any suggestions that way would be great. But really any suggestions are what I want. Only thing, I don't want to run the T3 longer than 8 weeks, everything else is up for discussion!

*For the T3, I'm going to ramp up from 50mg/day to 150mg/day then back down, spending only about 10days at 150mg

Firstly t-3 is measured in mcg not mg bro. Ramping is the way to go but you will not need to go higher than 100mcg per day. Start @25mcg for one week, then increase it 25mcg per week until you reach 100mcg, then taper back down the same way.

Run either anavar or winny @50mg per day. Both are fine for this purpose but winny will give you better results in muscle growth.

Here is how i would lay this out if it were my cycle:

1-10 Prop 100-150mg eod
1-10 Tren A 75 eod
5-10- winny or var 50mg/day
3-10 T-3
1-10 proviron 50mg/day
1-10 HCG 500iu 2x per week or every 3rd day
1-10 cabaser/dost 0.5mg every 3rd day

Your pct is little bit overkill bro. No need for excessive clomid dosages or the combo of nolva and clomid. This is my pct of choice:

Day 1-21 clomid 50mg/day (more than enough to stimulate LH production)
Day 1-35 Aromasin 25mg/day

[gojimmygo]

Hahaha thanks to whoever gave me negative rep for posting in this thread trying to give this guy hope so he didn't give up on the forum.

Hilarious.

That'll teach ya for trying to be helpful:) Negative rep eh....are you gonna be okay? If ya need a shoulder to cry on or just someone to listen....I'm here for ya buddy.lol. Now that's gay. Anyways the advice Gus gave is pretty spot on,so I got nothing to add and I do agree with the others regarding using winny over anavar.

p.s. Gsxr quit be so helpful...dick;)

Jimmy

[bigZ241]

Firstly t-3 is measured in mcg not mg bro. Ramping is the way to go but you will not need to go higher than 100mcg per day. Start @25mcg for one week, then increase it 25mcg per week until you reach 100mcg, then taper back down the same way.

Run either anavar or winny @50mg per day. Both are fine for this purpose but winny will give you better results in muscle growth.

Here is how i would lay this out if it were my cycle:

1-10 Prop 100-150mg eod
1-10 Tren A 75 eod
5-10- winny or var 50mg/day
3-10 T-3
1-10 proviron 50mg/day
1-10 HCG 500iu 2x per week or every 3rd day
1-10 cabaser/dost 0.5mg every 3rd day

Your pct is little bit overkill bro. No need for excessive clomid dosages or the combo of nolva and clomid. This is my pct of choice:

Day 1-21 clomid 50mg/day (more than enough to stimulate LH production)
Day 1-35 Aromasin 25mg/day

sorry about the dosing mixup. it is in mcg without a doubt. It's been a while since i've touched T3 and couldn't remember. My whole point to starting this thread was simply a really early starting point. Like I said I have months before I'd be starting anyways.

For the PCT, I thought the jury was still out about clomid stimulating LH production. Some say it does some say it doesn't. I've seen a few studies that were pretty inconclusive. Maybe i've missed some new research?

I'm thinking winny is probably the way i'm going to go. I've used it before and liked the results, so i'm not going to mess with a good thing.

thank you for such a complete suggestion gustavo. You seem to just know it all! You have all the juicy info about SA and all the advice for a cutter! Thanks, my tiny tiny rep goes to you! lol.


Also, ZeOne. Sorry I sounded sarcastic? I meant it, I got negativity REALLY fast in this thread and totally meant for it to be closed or deleted. I'm a big boy, I can do this research on my own. But sometimes some key information usually comes out in a forum setting like this. I just wanted to put my foot in the door on my next cycle. I'm sure I will come back with more pointed questions later. I felt like I was pissing people off with my questions so I said sorry for inconveniencing anyone. I really felt like I rubbed people the wrong way. I meant no sarcasm.

Moreover, I had said I didn't have my diet written up quite yet as i'm not sure how my daily schedule will be during the cycle. The best I can do this instant is saying i'm going to aim for 300-500cal below maintenance. I would like to do some carb cycling maybe do 3 days a cycle and repeat. one no carb day, one middle ground, one 'high' carb day. I don't really care about water as this cutter isn't for any shows, just for my own satisfaction. I can do a day of water depletion and maybe some good ol cardio in a garbage bag like i did for wrestling, then look at myself as cut as it'll get, then drink water again, lol.

Lastly, sorry for the huge post

[ZeOne]

The best I can do this instant is saying i'm going to aim for 300-500cal below maintenance. I would like to do some carb cycling maybe do 3 days a cycle and repeat. one no carb day, one middle ground, one 'high' carb day.
Lastly, sorry for the huge post

Well, that sound like a plan than :)

What I would recommend is a proper ketogenic/body opus diet, 5 days low carbs (20g) and 2 days of carb loading. It has worked wonders for me in shedding body fat. I have a thread going on that exact topic.

That coupled with your cycle (the winny and the tren ace), T3 and some cardio in the morning on an empty stomach will get you dry, hard and vascular

[simon85]

I'm gonna repost what I just wrote on another thread:

People tend to use too much test or too much compounds for nothing. When your dieting, you try to preserve muscles. You can't really build some because your don't eat enough calories.

All you need is 100-150mg of prop eod and maybe a low dose of growth(2-4iu/ed). That's it! It will preserve your muscle mass. If it doesn't, your diet/training are not optimal. You could add an AI and some winstrol/masteron near the end if you're doing a contest prep. If you need to diet faster, you may incorporate t3/clen.

People waste too much money when dieting for nothing. It's when you're trying to improve(bulking) that you should up the dose and spend more money.

IMO, use 100-150mg of prop eod with some growth if you can. If you can't afford any, replace it by tren ace(75mg eod). You don't need anything else! Spending on more gears is just wasting your money because you won't have any serious benefits from it.

[simon85]

I read that ramping the T3 in and out of your system is pointless and just a waste of money.

I think Simon85 knows more about this hopefully he can give you some advice there, also he has just recently completed a cutter that worked VERY well for him he is a good guy to ask for help.

Thanks man.

I agree that tapering down cytomel won't have any benefits.

First of all, cytomel catabolism and thyroid damages are extremely over hyped. If you're diet is great and you run a steroid with it, you won't lose lean mass if you don't mega dose on cytomel. For a 200lbs+ man, I think 75-100mcg/ed is a perfectly safe dosage. Usually, it can be run for 8+ weeks without any problem. Cytomel is one of the safest fat loss drugs out there.

Only use it when you're dieting. The benefits are minimal when you're bulking. Using it year round is a bad idea IMO.

[gustavo77]

For the PCT, I thought the jury was still out about clomid stimulating LH production. Some say it does some say it doesn't. I've seen a few studies that were pretty inconclusive. Maybe i've missed some new research?


Check this one out:

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/118719310/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0

[JonnyO]

Thanks man.

I agree that tapering down cytomel won't have any benefits.



I have to disagree with you here. I dont think just dropping Cytomel from being on 100mcg a day would be a good idea.

[wrought]

If you really knew how insignificant is the type or choice of the AAS compared to what you eat, you wouldn't be posting one without the other.

yep, there is no such thing as a "cutting cycle". You've got ON or ON w/diet&cardio. All the gear does is speed up your metabolism and allow you to hold on to the muscle you've got while you're running a calorie deficit.

You can get shredded on drol and cyp if your diet and training is where it should be. :p

[natenator]

AAS does not increase one's metabolism.