No testosterone cycles

[warlock]

Who does them?

How do they look like?

Why?

What are the pros and cons?

[ZeOne]

Who does them?

How do they look like?

Why?

What are the pros and cons?

My first cycle ever was Nandrolone Decanoate and D-bol. Did manage to put on a solid 25lbs. I only did it because of some training veteran's recommendation.

If I was to do that cycle again today, I would add small amount of testosteron nonetheless.

[warlock]

My first cycle ever was Nandrolone Decanoate and D-bol. Did manage to put on a solid 25lbs. I only did it because of some training veteran's recommendation.



How much?

For how long?

Could you keep it??

Thanks

[Redz]

No test will leave you very very vulnerable to having no labeado and possible erectile dissfunction especially with 19nors like tren and deca. For me Test will always be the base!

[ZeOne]

How much?

For how long?

Could you keep it??

Thanks

I was taking 350mg of Deca per week, and 30mg of D-bol ED split in 3 doses. I ran the cycle for 14 weeks.

I am not sure what you mean by the "Could you keep it??" part.

[GTZ3]

The main downside would be libido issues ... without question.

Using other drugs you can obtain size, strength ,vascularity, and whatever else you want physically ; however, especially with AAS that exert progestinic activity (A bombs, Deca, Tren) or those that induce hyperprolactemia (Deca + Tren) your going to be so shut it down its retarded anyway, so there no reason not to supplement with test.

The non aromatizable compounds (primarily DHT derrivatives) IMO are about the only thing that COULD be run without test, while possibly avoiding any ER issues because their suppression tends to be milder and there isnt estrogen/prog/prolactin destroying your libido from secondary mechnisms either.

Moral of the story? Even running a pinch of like 150mgs a week IMO is better than having a flacid dick for however long your cycle is.

[warlock]

I was taking 350mg of Deca per week, and 30mg of D-bol ED split in 3 doses. I ran the cycle for 14 weeks.

I am not sure what you mean by the "Could you keep it??" part.

your gains.

[ZeOne]

your gains.

Yep, I did manage to keep most of it, and I didn't even know what a PCT was, so I did not do any.

But don't forget, this was my first cycle.

[gustavo77]

May be this is a stupid question, i don't know but why one would you even want to run a cycle without test?? It is the hormone that makes us as men, who we are. Why would a man not want test flowing in his system??

[fathead]

May be this is a stupid question, i don't know but why one would you even want to run a cycle without test?? It is the hormone that makes us as men, who we are. Why would a man not want test flowing in his system??

because test causes side effects not everyone wants to deal with.... including me

[rated_rko]

test is alays good for a best...1st cycle alone could be just dbol and test dude

[gustavo77]

because test causes side effects not everyone wants to deal with.... including me

Even a replacement dose of 100-150mg/wk causes sides for you??

[St]

because test causes side effects not everyone wants to deal with.... including me

Were in the same boat ,did test off,and on for over 10 years and my gains are amazing,but the acne is just bad,gyno is bad as well,but i can control the gyno with nolva's not a problem it just the acne.

[warlock]

Guys, please this is not supposed to be a debate about the usage of testosterone.

I want to know about no test cycles period.

There is a lot of info about cycles with test and very little about what I am trying to learn.

You can Pm me all the reasons to use test but I'd like to keep this conversation on topic.

[gsxr750]

Good friend passes out at the sight of needles..

So he's been on 60mg/anavar combined with creatine and i'd say put on a good 10lbs of lean muscle in 12 weeks.

Also know of another young guy who's on 30mg TBOL and 30mg VAR and also very happy with results. This guy had bad sides on 250mg test a week so he dropped and went with orals..

My half a cent.

[Rhinobolt10]

I've done them a few times. Masteron E standalone... DBol standalone... Tren E standalone... yeah I know the tren was dumb to do without some test but i wanted to see what would happen.
How do they look like? - Umm Masteron E around 400-600 a week, dbol.. can't remember... Tren E... I got up pretty high, 600-800mg a week.
Why? - With the DBol I just did it as a first cycle when I was a kid. The Masteron E and tren, I did just to see the effects of the compound by itself with nothing else messing up the results.

Pros/cons- pro... it was always long estered stuff I was injecting, so the volume of injections was down... that was nice. I found that I didn't really like Masteron E that much... and that I friggin loved tren. Cons... I like test... I get strong off of test... it's good. I'm probably going to be using test in just about every cycle for the rest of my life... and probably a lot of test by itself.

As far as shut down... whatever. even on tren, with no test or cialis or anything, I could still get a hard on and rub one out when I wanted... if I was going to jump in the sack I grabbed a cialis just in case. I don't know about other guys, but I've never been so shut down that my dick is completely useless... but that's me... and I've been ON for almost 2 years straight now. The only thing I've noticed is a bit of a lack of sensitivity I've always had, but is more of a problem without a test. IE busting a nut. that's why I'd grab the cialis... sometimes banging for an hour straight your weiner would just get tired before you could blow... so that's about it... don't know if it was the best idea or not... but I don't think it was the worst idea either.

[L3]

against the advice of pretty much everyone on the board i ran a no test cycle oral only (1st time):
winny x 100 for 6 weeks
tbol x 40 for 8 weeks
var x 40 for 8 weeks

love the results, minor ED but cialis took care of that, didnt mind the desensetization, horny all the time

that was almost 2 months ago, doing bloodwork this week, will post results

starting 6 weeks of 80tbol + 50 proviron within 2 weeks :D

[GTZ3]

HOLY ****ING SHIT BATMAN ... you actually ran all that DHT at once? 3 orals together for 6-8 weeks?

If your gona tuck your nutsuck and do an oral only at least do it safely. wow

Tell us what your bloodwork looks like. Ill bet your lipids are still ****ed.

Theres no reason why you shouldnt be able to grow off 50mgs of anavar ED alone unless your getting bunk gear or your diet consists of Froot Loops and Pizza Pops.

[L3]

your diet consists of Froot Loops and Pizza Pops.


oh em gee how did you know?? :P

seriously tho, not to hijack this thread, i will make a new one and post my pre-cycle bloodwork and post cycle blood work.

my liver values were elevated before cycle but thats due to over the counter supps, also i kindof took wayyyyyyy too many vitamins for like 3 weeks at one point, and all the alchohol abuse in my teens, heres hoping the liv52 and milk thistle kept them in range :S

[GTZ3]

^I also hope they stayed in range dude. But if they were high before 3 c-17's I certianly think they would have been significantly elevated while on.

I have heard of people having great results running dbol and var together though (@ combines dosages under 60 mgs ed)