First Time Deca Dosage?

[powerrack]

I've ran plenty of test only cycles, usually averaging 600mg a week. I want to try out adding some deca this fall/winter during a bulk. What would be a good dose to add in, I was thinking 300mg as most deca comes at 300 anyways, easier to use that way. I'm not asking whether deca is good or not here, I've already decided to use it, just contemplating on the dose now, I was thinking 700mg test and 300mg deca?

[biggy]

I would say try it at 300mg and up it if you want to after a couple months. How long were you planning on running it?

[jethro1984]

I am going to run Deca for the first time in a month or two as well. I am going to try 750mg Test 14 weeks/400mg Deca for 12 weeks . I think 400 is a safe and effective dose.

[powerrack]

Planning to run the deca for 15 weeks, and the test e for 16-17 weeks.

[biggy]

Should be an insane cycle. You must be pretty big at 5'10 and 205lbs. I just started a cycle of 750mg test e / deca 600mg and dbol 40mg for a kickstart. Done it before worked out well.

[jethro1984]

Should be an insane cycle. You must be pretty big at 5'10 and 205lbs. I just started a cycle of 750mg test e / deca 600mg and dbol 40mg for a kickstart. Done it before worked out well.

I thought of jumping mine as well with Dbol for 4 weeks, and 4 weeks Anadrol at the end.still might. sorry for the hijack OP.

You should do fine on that cycle. Make sure you have a good PCT. I've never had a problem with recovery but Deca can be very suppresive, so I'm running 500iu a week of HCG during cycle, followed by nolva/clomid after my last shot.

[powerrack]

Do you guys run any Anti E's or anything when on test/deca, seems water could be a problem? I hear of some guys throwing in Proviron as it helps avoid deca dick and it also assists slightly in keeping estro at lower levels, but not so low as to hurt gains?

[4031]

on a test deca cycle, i dont run any anti e's......btw, proviron is a great addition to any cycle as it helps regulate sex drive and frees up test

[jethro1984]

I havent run anything on cycle before, but I think I may run Adex this cycle.

[powerrack]

So for my first test/deca cycle I'm thinking...

week 1-16: 700 test enanthate
week 1-15: 300mg deca
week 5-9: 30-40mg dbol per day (not using for kickstart,want to run when everything has kicked in)

I want to try proviron somewhere in there? 50mg per day throughout?

PCT will be nolva and clomid 2 weeks after last shot of test e, I'm going to research hcg more and utilze that as well.

[jethro1984]

there is different theories on HCG...some people like to shoot large quanities the last couple weeks of cycle and week after last shot, to overload the body and force the body to start producing again.

Another one is run small amounts throughout the entire cycle to keep your boys functioning throughout. To me this makes more sense to me, as it keeps the testicles receptive to LH, instead of trying to force them back into production from zero

[powerrack]

Anybody advise how I could place the proviron in the cycle that I wrote in my last post? Not sure if I should run it all the way through or just later in the cycle. Thanks for any information.

[biggy]

If you have enough i would run the proviron all the way through. It will help to keep some bloat down and free up some test.

[gustavo77]

A nice starting dose for deca would be 400mg but you should see some gains from 300. Run the proviron @50mg per day through the entire cycle. I suggest you run the adex @1mg eod on this cycle. Proviron will compete with estro but it will not do anything to lower it. There will be a lot of aromatization going on with 700mg of test and 300mg of deca. Keep in mind that gyno is only ONE side effect from high estro. Loss of libido/performance issues, water retention, increase in SHBG and increased suppression are just some of the others.

[guest]

i ran deca alone for my first cycle. 7 amps of Paynes Labs deca. took one every 5 days and gained 22lbs. 7 natural months later and still had 17lbs of it. no PCT. ah, the old days. you guys should be winning shows with the dosages you're hammering.

[gsxr750]

How many mg were in each amp?

[gustavo77]

i ran deca alone for my first cycle. 7 amps of Paynes Labs deca. took one every 5 days and gained 22lbs. 7 natural months later and still had 17lbs of it. no PCT. ah, the old days. you guys should be winning shows with the dosages you're hammering.

You must respond great to gear. Not everyone does. I have ran deca a few times, different brands and have not noticed anything different in terms of gains than running test alone. Everyone is different. 300-400mg of deca per week is not excessive. Also, you must have also been young when you ran your first cycle and rebounded obviously very quickly cause i know at my age, taking no pct would be just retarded.

[powerrack]

A nice starting dose for deca would be 400mg but you should see some gains from 300. Run the proviron @50mg per day through the entire cycle. I suggest you run the adex @1mg eod on this cycle. Proviron will compete with estro but it will not do anything to lower it. There will be a lot of aromatization going on with 700mg of test and 300mg of deca. Keep in mind that gyno is only ONE side effect from high estro. Loss of libido/performance issues, water retention, increase in SHBG and increased suppression are just some of the others.

Woud aromasin fit in instead of adex? I have heard it's a little easier on the lipids.

[gustavo77]

Woud aromasin fit in instead of adex? I have heard it's a little easier on the lipids.

Absolutely. Aromasin needs to be dose ED though due to it the fact that it has a 24 hour half life. 12.5-25mg/day of Aroma would work.

[powerrack]

Absolutely. Aromasin needs to be dose ED though due to it the fact that it has a 24 hour half life. 12.5-25mg/day of Aroma would work.

One of the concerns I keep having is that killing too much estro will hurt my gains? Any truth to this?

[guest]

You must respond great to gear. Not everyone does. I have ran deca a few times, different brands and have not noticed anything different in terms of gains than running test alone. Everyone is different. 300-400mg of deca per week is not excessive. Also, you must have also been young when you ran your first cycle and rebounded obviously very quickly cause i know at my age, taking no pct would be just retarded.

yeah i totally agree, i was joking a bit and bragging. having no PCT is not a smart move and yes i am a sponge with the sauce.

GXR, the amps were 200mg each. they were Paynes Labs made in Nairobi Kenya(supposedly), came in flat yellow packs of ten. that was well over 10yrs ago.

[gustavo77]

One of the concerns I keep having is that killing too much estro will hurt my gains? Any truth to this?

Well seeing on how you are planning on taking approx 7-8 times the normal amount of testosterone plus deca, your estrogen levels will be several times more than normal range. While 25mg of Aromasin per day will stop 60% of estro in normal males, this dosage should only keep your estrogen levels at or around normal range during the cycle.

I know a lot of people say that limiting estrogen will cut into your gains but i do not see how. Estrogen does not promote anabolism, testosterone does and it's derivatives do.

[gustavo77]

yeah i totally agree, i was joking a bit and bragging. having no PCT is not a smart move and yes i am a sponge with the sauce.


That is great that you were able to get and maintain those gains off that dose of deca, that is sweet. I certainly wish i could, genetics are a bitch sometimes.