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ZeOne
18-09-2008, 08:45 PM
While doing some research on Test suspension, I came across several websites that mentions that there Test suspension is the worst when it comes to water bloat, but propionate is always recommended for minimal water bloat.

Being that both are shorter form than other tests (with suspension being non estrified) how come that with Suspension there is a concern for water bloat? is it because of quickly rising estrogen levels?
shithead
18-09-2008, 09:59 PM
My view on this is that blood levels rise so quickly that some of it is forced to convert. Esp. with voluminous injects.

I dont like suspension but if I were to use it again, it would be 25-50mg twice per day. This method would help to keep blood levels more consistent.
physique
18-09-2008, 10:13 PM
i have seen and witnessed myself amazing results with susupension stacked with winstrol. both where used @ 100mg of each eod. i have never done a better cycle to be honest.
shithead
18-09-2008, 10:18 PM
One big 3cc shot?
simon85
18-09-2008, 10:44 PM
It need to be inject minimum twice a day. People will experience massive bloating when they inject pre-workout only or just once a day. Also, the use of a low dose of arimidex or aromasin will keep the bloat down without suppressing too much the estrogen.

I'll be running susp(2X50mg) for 6 weeks in my next bulking cycle. I'll be using water based(100mg/ml) and EO based(125mg/ml)susp. I can't wait to see how I will react to it.
ZeOne
18-09-2008, 10:53 PM
Btw, I tried Inno's cyclodextrin base teso (which is equivalent to suspension) with boldenon base once as a cycle, and I had great results with minimal water retention. I was injection 1/day.

I was wondering how come the concern with the water bloating levels are less with propionate then with Cypionate let's say, and propionate is the shorter form, so in theory will have more impact on estrogen levels and faster than cyp.
shithead
18-09-2008, 10:56 PM
This is a huge debate. IMO you would get less estrogenic sides from prop as opposed to suspension.
gojimmygo
19-09-2008, 12:02 AM
Never had a problem with bloat injecting susp. 1 x day. It can be run right up to/through a show. IMO diet and AI are key.
Jimmy
ZeOne
19-09-2008, 12:31 AM
Never had a problem with bloat injecting susp. 1 x day. It can be run right up to/through a show. IMO diet and AI are key.
Jimmy

Which AI would you recommend with susp? Say I am running susp and boldenone base (EQ)
BDH
19-09-2008, 01:41 AM
It need to be inject minimum twice a day. People will experience massive bloating when they inject pre-workout only or just once a day. Absolutely untrue... perhaps for you, but you cant use the same brush to paint everybody... I have stayed bloat-free(for me) when injecting Suspension every 3 days...

Diet and accessories are the key here... I have to agree with gojimmygo....
ZeOne
19-09-2008, 02:30 AM
Absolutely untrue... perhaps for you, but you cant use the same brush to paint everybody... I have stayed bloat-free(for me) when injecting Suspension every 3 days...

Diet and accessories are the key here... I have to agree with gojimmygo....

Once every 3 days? I like the sound of that. Which AI were you using BDH?
BDH
19-09-2008, 02:39 AM
Oh, I wasnt using any... I am just sort of a freak like that, though...

I have tried Susp every day, but found it pointless, really... switching to a slightly higher dose every few days gave me the same results...

I have honestly never used an AI...
Big D
19-09-2008, 09:05 AM
Oh, I wasnt using any... I am just sort of a freak like that, though...

I have tried Susp every day, but found it pointless, really... switching to a slightly higher dose every few days gave me the same results...

I have honestly never used an AI...

man your lucky, i know a few guys that are like that. I know one older guy that stays on gear year round and dosent use any AI, he dosnet bloat or anything.
shithead
19-09-2008, 09:06 AM
Basically comes down to, what works for you.
theboss
19-09-2008, 09:19 AM
Oh, I wasnt using any... I am just sort of a freak like that, though...

I have tried Susp every day, but found it pointless, really... switching to a slightly higher dose every few days gave me the same results...

I have honestly never used an AI...


i have never uses an AI either..is it that uncommon?
simon85
19-09-2008, 11:09 AM
Oh, I wasnt using any... I am just sort of a freak like that, though...

I have tried Susp every day, but found it pointless, really... switching to a slightly higher dose every few days gave me the same results...

I have honestly never used an AI...

Every 3 days? Good for you you didn't had any sides. Half life is very short, like 8-12hours. Your level will peak up and down. I guess you was running another type of test while on it?
gojimmygo
19-09-2008, 11:15 AM
Which AI would you recommend with susp? Say I am running susp and boldenone base (EQ)

I personally use A-dex. Seems to work good for me at .5mg a day or eod.Start low and see how it goes and adjust if needed. Tried femera in the past but I'm not a fan of it. I really think diet is as important if not more.Seen guys run it similiar to the way BDH said and have no bloat while others start to look like the Michellin man no matter how they run it.But the guys with the puffy melons are usually the guys that eat like shat, booze it up and don't know what an AI is. Suspension seems to get a bad rap on the boards(pain,bloat), if it wasn't for the frequent injects it would be the only test I'd use.

Jimmy