Federal Elections

[rad]

Who's everyone voting for? I was a liberal voter for many years. I'm switching over to conservative now. Harper has done good for Canada and I hope he continues the trend. I think he deserves another round.

Conservative for me.

[wrought]

Harper's whole campaign is "PHEER TEH LIBRULS". I'm not going to vote for one cheesedick ****face simply because the other fromagecock tabernacvisage has done some bad soundbites.

Personally I don't like the US neocon style that Harper uses to run the party and would rather see somebody else in charge. However, I don't think the Liberals will win simply because they're sticking to some dead end ideas that will never be popular. Knowing that its pretty unlikely the liberals will win, I'll vote liberal or ndp (whichever party is more popular in my area) simply in the hopes of ensuring a minority government.

[natenator]

he hasn't done shit except hide, distort and obfuscate facts from the Canadian public.

[Redz]

he hasn't done shit except hide, distort and obfuscate facts from the Canadian public.Harper?

Wrong....

Heres what he has done for me:
-Cut my income taxes
-cut GST 2%
-Created a fair child care benfit that helps everyone not just 9-5ers that can use daycares
-Got tougher on violent crime and created minimum sentincing for some offences
-got rid of the billions of waste in the gun registry
-scrapped the usless kyoto accord

Those are just a few things I know I make more money now then I ever did under the linberals and things are better than ever for me even with a weak US economy.

[micronian]

Umm, this guy is the same guy that is pushing bill c-51 is he not?? that bill is going to make all of us have to go out and get prescriptions from doctors just for vitamins and natural supplements... I THINK NOT.. conservatives will not be getting MY vote. IMO thats ****ing ridiculous. Not to mention he wasted a plethora of money (64 mill) on this new anti-drug war campaign he's festering [ if you want to take or eliminate the drug problem, legalize, tax, and regulate with age restriction, that makes it so there will now be quality and potency control through which you would go to your clinic for since that is where drugs are sold already ] ... which doesn't work, and even the US are starting to back out of the "mandatory minimums" he's wasted more money on that than need be. not to mention we signed up for a war that only serves the fascist Political agenda of Washington, the war in Afghanistan does nothing for Canadians, its sad to see such wasted efforts and lives lost for some fascist political agenda of the United States... We have shitty candidates, though I'd much rather see an NDP in office over a lib or conservative even though the NDP still have no chance of getting in. just a pipe dream i guess.

M.

[Redz]

I'd much rather see an NDP in office over a lib or conservative even though the NDP still have no chance of getting in. just a pipe dream i guess.
NDP has a philosphy of screw anyone better than middle class. They tax everything and nearly ruined the economy in there one and only term. I pray they never come to power. People under middle class dont know what its like to have half of their money taken away from taxes......once it happens to you then you will understand why I feel this way.

[Gettin'r'round]

You vote for the lesser of evils. In Ontario we are still paying interest on the 30B in debt the NDP left the province with. Liberals? Basically they look like the NDP at this time with a huge social engineering project (ie green schaft). As much as I didn't like Jean Cratein (sp???) he actually did a decent job. Paul Martin was a good money manager but lousy leader. C-51 is a **** over, but the Liberals tried something similar back in the 90's. They backed off after a huge public uproar. I remember ginko was illegal at one point, lol.
I'm voting for Harper but I'll do it because there isn't another viable option.

Harper will get a majority due to electoral karma. In the 90's-00's the right wing vote was split and today we've got the green/ndp/liberal on the left (and mushy middle) and conservative on the harder middle/right wing vote.

[bottleneckblooz]

Harper?

Wrong....

Heres what he has done for me:
-Cut my income taxes-cut GST 2%
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This is BS. He didn't cut income taxes. The first year he was in he raised the income tax, because when I filed my income tax report, I actually had to pay, when all the other years before him I would get a refund of between $100-$200. Then the next year he lowered them back to where they were before. He did this just so he could say he lowered income taxes. Pretty sneaky tactic if you ask me.

[Kiem]

I haven't voted before but im gonna try to register and vote for the NDP and Jack Layton. I can't stand the Conservatives or the Liberals.

[Redz]

This is BS. He didn't cut income taxes. The first year he was in he raised the income tax, because when I filed my income tax report, I actually had to pay, when all the other years before him I would get a refund of between $100-$200. Then the next year he lowered them back to where they were before. He did this just so he could say he lowered income taxes. Pretty sneaky tactic if you ask me.He did not raise taxes...he lowered them you are miss-informed. He raised the exemption level for all.

[Redz]

Heres a link to a page showing the income tax cuts and there is more coming this year.

http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20071029/fiscall_statement_071030/20071030/?hub=TorontoHome

[IronRobi]

I'm not going to vote for one cheesedick ****face simply because the other fromagecock tabernacvisage has done some bad soundbites.


Holy shit that made me laugh!!! hahahaha

I've been happy with Harper. He's one of the few PM's that I've actually noticed when he's done something.

[bottleneckblooz]

He did not raise taxes...he lowered them you are miss-informed. He raised the exemption level for all.

Then explain to me why I had to pay extra income tax after Harper got in, when the previous years, always with the same employer, always taking off the same income tax from my paychecks, I would get a refund? My employer had to re-adjust my checks so that more income tax was being deducted. Then this past tax season Harper made the big anouncement that he was "Lowering Income taxes". Well I basically just got the same refund that I used to get before he got in anyway, so to me, he didn't do crap

[Redz]

Then explain to me why I had to pay extra income tax after Harper got in, when the previous years, always with the same employer, always taking off the same income tax from my paychecks, I would get a refund? My employer had to re-adjust my checks so that more income tax was being deducted. Then this past tax season Harper made the big anouncement that he was "Lowering Income taxes". Well I basically just got the same refund that I used to get before he got in anyway, so to me, he didn't do crapI`m not sure how that heppend there are a few ways, if you made more money during the year than the previous one, dont forget harper came to power in 2006 and the income tax rates were already pre-determined at that point by the LIBERALS! they then went down in 2007 and will go down again in 2009. Further more :

How much do you make? I guarantee you actually got mroe money under the conservatives you are just mixed up taxes are down on many fronts nothing has been raised.

[physique]

i'm voting for myself as i can **** society over as good as anyone we have in parliament.

if i cant vote for me, i will mark the box that says voting for no one as i dont trust anyone. or something along those lines.

besides i live in BC, and the vote is long over by the time its our turn. Have u even seen a party come to BC yet to try and win voters? NO, its cause they dont give a **** about us.

grrrr, **** this topic, it just makes me angry

[trykillthis]

I will never vote Liberal as in the last 2 federal elections they start squaking about gun bans. Gun bans don't work. Look at the UK and Australia. Steadily increasing gun crimes since they banned them.

[shithead]

Harper needs to go, but he will win minority.

[rad]

Didn't Harper also do away with the gun registry shit. How much money did that shit cost and how much disappeared into thin air. Kudos to him. Harper still has my vote.

[Bowlcut]

Everyone shit stinks and when they get elected they will shit on you.

Everyone talks about how great Harper is but he is just as corrupt as the Liberals.
Gerry Ritz has a nice government subsidized ethanol plant going up in his constituency despite the fact ethanol has never been scientifically proven to offer less total carbon emissions than gasoline.
Everyone in power gets their friends rich too. Mike Harris is now working for Royal Bank I believe and Chretien for a law office. They get into power (notice I do not office because they are never there to serve us) and then proceed to make contacts so when they retire the can continue to make money.

[trykillthis]

The gun registry is still in place. Maybe if they get a majority it can be dropped. ANother couple wasted billions thanks to the liberals.

[BAM]

I'm my own country.

[bottleneckblooz]

I love my **** tree.

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Best of the crap out there right now is Conservative in my opinion. Doing the switch over from Liberal too. Dion just doesn't seem to be right for the liberals.

Also I am voting against anyone who is going to stand at a podium and say they are all about going green. In time it is something to consider, but Canada needs to improve on a lot of other things before trying to run a campaign on going green. Plus didn't dion want to introduce a carbon tax while Harper wants to reduce taxes?

NDP meh.

Bloc is evil. Just look at Duceppe. That man has satan in his eyes. They always hate everyone that isn't "one of them". As long as bill 101 exists, I will never vote giving quebec any more power. They'll only take away more of my rights. Just in case the rest of you canadians didn't know, the only province that doesn't have the 2 official languages is quebec. There is only 1 official language here, French. And that is LAW. But don't even get me started on this, I can agrue it till I go blue in the face.

[St]

NDP has a philosphy of screw anyone better than middle class. They tax everything and nearly ruined the economy in there one and only term. I pray they never come to power. People under middle class dont know what its like to have half of their money taken away from taxes......once it happens to you then you will understand why I feel this way.


Yep were in the same boat.Harper gets my vote.Liberals need a new leader carbon tax ya i would love to pay more taxes.Here in ottawa gas friday was 115.9,in gatineau gas was 125.7 a litre,and i don't want to pay another 8-10 cents a litre for carbon tax on top of the high price of gas.

[Bowlcut]

Best of the crap out there right now is Conservative in my opinion. Doing the switch over from Liberal too. Dion just doesn't seem to be right for the liberals.

Also I am voting against anyone who is going to stand at a podium and say they are all about going green. In time it is something to consider, but Canada needs to improve on a lot of other things before trying to run a campaign on going green. Plus didn't dion want to introduce a carbon tax while Harper wants to reduce taxes?

NDP meh.

Bloc is evil. Just look at Duceppe. That man has satan in his eyes. They always hate everyone that isn't "one of them". As long as bill 101 exists, I will never vote giving quebec any more power. They'll only take away more of my rights. Just in case the rest of you canadians didn't know, the only province that doesn't have the 2 official languages is quebec. There is only 1 official language here, French. And that is LAW. But don't even get me started on this, I can agrue it till I go blue in the face.

In our Constitution NB is the only fully bilingual province.

You are so right about bill 101.

I would love to vote for Harper but I can't. He strikes me as smug, arrogant, but even more importantly is devoid of any charisma to advocate his vision.
Don't forget they LIED about income trusts. That or they were highly irresponsible about making their promises.

Best option for Canada is another minority government. We have no formal checks and balances like the USA has so nothing scares me more than the dictoral power wielded by the PMO. Chretien was terrible for his authoritarian rule being able to appoint senators, judges, etc.

Why has nobody addressed the obesity epidemic in our country? Or cancer too? It all starts with a food chain that is laden with toxins from poor farming practices that need to be ended, and is compounded by lazy people who would rather buy a lunch for their kids then make it.

Why does it take two incomes to get by these days? Because our welfare state demands that we have such enormous tax revenues to support our "free" healthcare that is being used up by chronic diseases that can easily be prevented. Nobody had diabetes, cancer, or heart disease 150 years ago like they do today, but nothing is being done.

Sorry for my rant but the total lack of vision by any party (maybe with the exception of the greens) is disgusting and is going to lead to such apathy that our "democracy" will end up dead.

[BAM]

The Green party?

lol..

Having a vision is the easy part.

[Bowlcut]

The Green party?

lol..

Having a vision is the easy part.

Greens are the only ones really advocating their vision.
At least you know what they stand for.
Does Harper want less taxes and less big government? Or does he want status quo but less liberal social policies? Does he believe in civil liberties or likes increased government surveillance in the name of "protecting" us from terrorism.

Why is there no discussion of prevention in health care?

What some people don't realize is that us younger people are going to be paying all the medical bills for sick and aging baby boomers with our taxes. Either economic activity has to keep growing at a fast rate or taxes are going to have to rise in order to pay for this.

[Gettin'r'round]

Just listening to talk radio and a clip of Bob Rea saying he won't raise taxes to pay for the 80Billion in Liberal campaign promises. Ok BOB, don't you remember ****ing Ontario over by doubling our debt and ****ing our economy when you were the NDP Premier????
GRRRRR

Then there is the gay NDP dude who as a scout leader stripped his clothes off, went skinny dipping and then invited the troop to paint his naked body. And he wasn't charged at the time by the RCMP? There would be a justified gay bashing if that were my kid he wanted to paint him.

[rad]

Does anyone know how much each province is in debt. I mean the actual numbers?

[Bowlcut]

Does anyone know how much each province is in debt. I mean the actual numbers?

Here is a measure of deficits

Quebec's provincial debt is around $120 BILLION. Gotta love socialism.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/interactives/map-provinces-deficit-surplus/

Look at this stats Canada page near the bottom.
http://www.statcan.ca/Daily/English/080707/d080707b.htm

Quebec is $118 billion, per capita $ 15,000
Ontario is $110 billion, per capita $8,700

[wrought]

If Harper gets a majority who wants to bet on how many MP's he'll kick out of the party for disagreeing with him after his coronation?

I'm gonna pick lucky #7! :D

[Gettin'r'round]

Here is a measure of deficits

Quebec's provincial debt is around $120 BILLION. Gotta love socialism.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/interactives/map-provinces-deficit-surplus/

Look at this stats Canada page near the bottom.
http://www.statcan.ca/Daily/English/080707/d080707b.htm

Quebec is $118 billion, per capita $ 15,000
Ontario is $110 billion, per capita $8,700

And to boot Quebec is considered a "have-not" province and gets more money put in than is taken out. In Ontario we've been screwed by like 8Billion per year in equalization.

[Bowlcut]

^^Quebec is ingenious. Here we can have cheap hydro because the government controls it, complain out "fiscal imbalance" and get a spineless and vote hungry Harper to give us cash, and because our socialism discourages any economic activity we can the rest of Canada to pay for it.

[RagingRandy]

^^Quebec is ingenious. Here we can have cheap hydro because the government controls it, complain out "fiscal imbalance" and get a spineless and vote hungry Harper to give us cash, and because our socialism discourages any economic activity we can the rest of Canada to pay for it.

There have been many leaders prior to Harper that allowed Canada to get screwed over by Quebec. The problem is everyone knows French Canada is a bunch of whiny bitches but no one want to do anything about it. Knowing how to screw people over is not something I would be particularly proud of.

[Gettin'r'round]

Quebec is a lawless mess. Bikers, gov't what's the difference?? Saw a mob show about the Montreal mafia. In the 30's or 40's they beat and bought off an election!

[Bowlcut]

There have been many leaders prior to Harper that allowed Canada to get screwed over by Quebec. The problem is everyone knows French Canada is a bunch of whiny bitches but no one want to do anything about it. Knowing how to screw people over is not something I would be particularly proud of.

The thing where he is almost hypocritical in my books is that the old Reform Party and Canadian Alliance were opposed to special status for any province. Now we have a motion saying "the quebecois are a nation in a united Canada" which is utterly perplexing because nobody in Parliament can define Quebecois for us when we all know it means white, catholic, french speakers.

As for screwing people over I honestly, no lie, had a man brag to me at the butcher that he has been on workers compensation since 1978. No lie, no shame.
No French though, Magyar.

[RagingRandy]

I am watching a CBC show right now on the importance of arts funding. The bias from this taxpayer funded broadcaster is obvious and disgusting. ALL interviews, comments, and calls have been pro-funding.

[Bowlcut]

I am watching a CBC show right now on the importance of arts funding. The bias from this taxpayer funded broadcaster is obvious and disgusting. ALL interviews, comments, and calls have been pro-funding.

Yes the CBC does receive tax payer money, but it is almost entirely funded off advertisement revenue. Big misconception people have, and even private media like Globe and Mail has said this.

Obviously you see the same thing occur when Fox has call in shows.

In all honesty it shows how Harper is trying to "jew down" people. err

[Brooke]

I have to vote Conservative! They support our armed forces like no one has for years. Liberals want to take away my guns, what's next? My knives? Gun control increases crime rates, just look at Australia. Only a fool would vote liberal and only a communist would vote NDP.

[Kiem]

I have to vote Conservative! They support our armed forces like no one has for years. Liberals want to take away my guns, what's next? My knives? Gun control increases crime rates, just look at Australia. Only a fool would vote liberal and only a communist would vote NDP.

I guess im a communist then. But commerade let me ask you something, the conservatives plan to toughen penalties on criminals (like us who juice :moon), with longer minimum sentences accross the board, pretty much like the American system, which has never worked and can cause a rise in prison population and in crime rate.

As for guns, I believe Harper wants to impliment a 5 year minimum sentence for a loaded, restricted or prohibited weapon. Harper is just too much of a tightass for me.

[Brooke]

I have no problem with tougher penalties for criminals!!!! If you don't want to serve a sentence, don't commit the crime.

As for a 5 year minimum sentence, it is illegal to carry a loaded handgun or restricted weapon. The only people this should involve would be those who feel the need to carry a gun. ie drug dealers, gang members.

[Gettin'r'round]

the CBC gets 1 BILLION in funding as par of the total $3.5B in cultural funding from the Federal gov't. Yet global, ctv, corus, etc all manage to stay afloat without taxpayer largess.

The art's funding that was cut was A)Objectionable material and B)Travel grants for rich leftists to travel the world. Some of the people who got $ could have EASILY paid for it themselves but they know the right channels to get free dough!

[RagingRandy]

Yes the CBC does receive tax payer money, but it is almost entirely funded off advertisement revenue. Big misconception people have, and even private media like Globe and Mail has said this.

Obviously you see the same thing occur when Fox has call in shows.

In all honesty it shows how Harper is trying to "jew down" people. err

Do your homework before making statements. Here is a link to the most recent Annual Report by the CBC which clearly shows on page 61 that about 2\3 of the money they receive is from government sources. Only about 20% comes from advertising and program sales.

Government sources = My pocket.

http://www.cbc.radio-canada.ca/annualreports/2006-2007/pdf/AR0607_e.pdf

[Gettin'r'round]

what get's me going is jacko layton and those commercials of his.

go ahead jack, tax those corporate barons and see where your "good jobs" promise goes. gawd socialists so don't get it.

[Bowlcut]

Do your homework before making statements. Here is a link to the most recent Annual Report by the CBC which clearly shows on page 61 that about 2\3 of the money they receive is from government sources. Only about 20% comes from advertising and program sales.

Government sources = My pocket.

http://www.cbc.radio-canada.ca/annualreports/2006-2007/pdf/AR0607_e.pdf


I stand corrected.

So you advocate no public broadcaster and less regulation?

[RagingRandy]

I stand corrected.

So you advocate no public broadcaster and less regulation?

The CBC had it's time and place. It was designed so all Canadians could get a radio and\or TV signal. With the availability of satellite TV, those days are gone.

I would not be so opposed to having a national broadcaster if they at least tried to hide their bias. I find most other news outlets far less biased than the CBC. They do not speak for all Canadians nor do they provide a balanced approach to issues.

I believe in less regulation in all areas of life. I am a Libertarian after all.

[RagingRandy]

what get's me going is jacko layton and those commercials of his.

go ahead jack, tax those corporate barons and see where your "good jobs" promise goes. gawd socialists so don't get it.

Jack knows he can spew anything he wishes because there is no chance he will get into power. Therefore he does not have to explain his rhetoric.

[Gettin'r'round]

Jack knows he can spew anything he wishes because there is no chance he will get into power. Therefore he does not have to explain his rhetoric.

True.... but that's what Bob Rae thought too when he took power in Ontario!

[Bowlcut]

The CBC had it's time and place. It was designed so all Canadians could get a radio and\or TV signal. With the availability of satellite TV, those days are gone.

I would not be so opposed to having a national broadcaster if they at least tried to hide their bias. I find most other news outlets far less biased than the CBC. They do not speak for all Canadians nor do they provide a balanced approach to issues.

I believe in less regulation in all areas of life. I am a Libertarian after all.

Irony of less regulation in the USA means that media outlets, especially radio, are concentrated in the hands of a few elite players.

I really don't know how biased CBC is. If you watch the National and politics discussion that includes, Don Martin, Andrew Coyne, Allen Gregg, and Chantele Hebert you will see that three of those individuals are right wing, or at least work for openly right wing media.. Martin writes for the Calgary Herald (which is hardly balanced editorially), Andrew Coyne for the National Post, and Allen Gregg was a former Progressive Conservative Party strategist from 1979-1993.

I recall the CBC being one of the biggest critics of Jane Goodall's "Billion Dollar Boondoggle" and "Sponsorship Scandal".

Obviously there is bias in any media outlet because each person has their own opinions and viewpoints.

You are right that the question is not much the merits of a national broadcaster but rather the merit of the journalistic content.

[trykillthis]

I have to vote Conservative! They support our armed forces like no one has for years. Liberals want to take away my guns, what's next? My knives? Gun control increases crime rates, just look at Australia. Only a fool would vote liberal and only a communist would vote NDP.


Fuken A

[Gettin'r'round]

welfare mom's for jack layton!

[BAM]

Irony of less regulation in the USA means that media outlets, especially radio, are concentrated in the hands of a few elite players.


Thats the way it has always been. Collective media in general has been controlled and monopolized by the same liberal group for a long long time now. They control the printing of money as well. Can you guess who that group is?

:)

[Bowlcut]

Turns out the Conservatives appointed 150 of their friends to patronage positions before the election.
Their shit stinks too. Anyone who actually believes that Harper is "clean" is a moron. The only use of the whole charade that is our government is to give powers to those who already have too much, and to enrich friends and allies under the guise of "social justice"

[Gettin'r'round]

I'm a conservative but what Harper spent in pork just before the election makes me sick. but you now what? it's less than what Paul Martin spent and it's what he had to do to help him get elected. canadians want to be bribed with their own money and expect it. it all started with trudeau and the sheeps have been bleating ever since. blaaaahhhhh

[Bowlcut]

There was an article in MacLeans, or the Globe, that said the governments have spent $50billion on election promises since 2000 which could have gone to paying down the debt and saving tons on interest charges.

[Gettin'r'round]

blahhhh :more money more cities
blahhhhhh :more money for infrastucture
blahh blahh blaaaah :green jobs (wtf?)
blahhhh moo moooo blaaaahhh: more money for disabled transexual transgendered cultural arts foundations travel expenses to foreign cities for sharing of queery canadian "values"

[Bowlcut]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canadavotes/story/2008/09/30/veiled-voting.html

What was that about Canadian values? Equality or submission? I forget...