Cycle sample of the pros?

[ZeOne]

I always wondered what do the pro like Cutler, Coleman, Wolf, take as AAS.

I am thinking like 10g test/week, but it might be way to much.

Anyone have any ideas what these guys take and at what dosage?

[tex]

gh, test and slin.......id say 2-4 grams a week on the test and 8-14 iu's on the gh per day.....

[4031]

200mg primo and 500mg test week

[Kronis]

200mg primo and 500mg test week

forgot 20mg var/day

[ZeOne]

200mg primo and 500mg test week

Is that like for women bbers? :)

[Bigr]

Is that like for women bbers? :)

Egad! A woman on that would have a HUGE clit and some big meat curtains.

[Kilburn]

Weeks 1-10
ephedrine
aspirin
clenbuterol
valium
captagon-- scheduled 1 drug in the US, meaning no legitimate medical use-- it is an amphetamine-type stimulant--
cytomel

Weeks 1-5
500mg daily of test enanthate
152mg daily of parabolan
150mg daily of dianabol
150mg daily of halotestin
20 IU daily of HGH
20 IU daily of Insulin

Weeks 6-8
300mg daily of masteron
152mg daily of parabolan
250mg daily of winstrol tabs
150mg daily of halotestin
50mg daily of winstrol inj
24 IU daily of HGH

Weeks 9-10
200mg daily of masteron
100mg daily of winny inj
200mg daily of halotestin
400mg daily of winny tabs
24 IU daily of HGH
Insulin daily
IGF-1 daily

Days 1-3 leading up to show
aldactone, lasix

[Kilburn]

that's munzer's stack. that's what he took before he died.

[Bowlcut]

Funny how the cycles have changed over the years, but in reality the physiques have not gotten much better.
I like the pro PLer cycles the most.
2 grams of test E with 1.5 grams of EQ and a whole bunch of a-bombs.

[Kilburn]

i agree. no one has even beat arnold IMO.

the only place they really beat him in thighs. everything else arnold wins.

[Dk]

Holy fking sheep sh*t

20IU of slin?!

[simon85]

Milos Sarcev said on MD that he was shocked to see all the high dosage that amateurs/non-competitors are taking(2g of test and more...). He said its total abuse and there's no advance to go that high.

He said that most of his athletes(he was refering his Ifbb pros) are usually taking 250mg of test eod and stay on growth year round(4-5iu when dieting and 8-10iu when bulking). They incorporate other compounds like tren, deca, var depending the season. Slin is used too. But there's no 2-3g of test.

People tends to forget that 2-3g of test or something else won't provide a pro physique. Genetic, dedication and consistency in training/nutrition will.

[sierra1]

I heard G Kovacs on the radio say he used 10,000mgs weekly of gear. Thats including everything, not just test.

[Houstonbc]

what happened to kovacs

[simon85]

what happened to kovacs

A recent picture I found:

http://www.planetemuscle.com/phpBB2//download/file.php?id=78249&sid=598a7a2b1e8b8f5b1959179a003e9562

[GTZ3]

Munzer was a wild man ... that halo dosage is ****ing retarded.

[Kilburn]

Tell me you're kidding, please

As for doses.. Hard to say but I do know some heavy users that I've trained with in the past that will use 5,000mg Test/week, 2,000mg Tren/week, 50-150mg Anadrol/ED, 40iu's Slin daily, 100mcg IGF-1 post-workout/ED, etc

And that's a regular off-season bulker for a close friend of mine.. So to assume pro's use 10,000mg+/week is not unreasonable

no, i am not kidding. pros today may have more mass but they look like shit compared to him. his biceps chest and calves are undefeated even today. if he stayed competing he could have won until 85 and beyond, no one was even close.

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/7231/arbd0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
[/URL]

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/7067/ar1iv6.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/img153/arbd0.jpg/1/)
(http://g.imageshack.us/img99/ar1iv6.jpg/1/)

[IMG]http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/2135/ar3rq0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/9923/ar2po4.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=520&i=ar3rq0.jpg)
[URL=http://g.imageshack.us/img185/ar2po4.jpg/1/]

also, his back is fuking huge and highly underrated. he deadlifted 700+.

[Bowlcut]

I liked Frank Zane's look. Not to most muscular but great physique.

What Bana has been bringing up though lately about people taking too high amounts of roids when they don't really have to makes lots of sense.
It is easy to understand why a pro would want to take lots of gear, but somebody who just wants a better physique on super high doses baffles me.

I guess we are all guilty as the trend lately has been towards higher dosages. Maybe best to get back to the basics of whats one grow: Food.

[GTZ3]

^Arnold on paper might not be able to compete with todays guys ... but the guy genetically had alot of blessings with the way he was able to find a balance between size, symmetry, and asthetics. I think what really helped set him apart from those in his era (aside from his musclstature) was his bone frame - wide shoulders, narrow waist, big ribcage etc all complimented him pretty well.

Ive heard its not uncommon for pros to cruise @ like 4 grams a week, and get up to 10 grams prior a a show.

[Carbonbase]

Weeks 1-10
ephedrine
aspirin
clenbuterol
valium
captagon-- scheduled 1 drug in the US, meaning no legitimate medical use-- it is an amphetamine-type stimulant--
cytomel

Weeks 1-5
500mg daily of test enanthate
152mg daily of parabolan
150mg daily of dianabol
150mg daily of halotestin
20 IU daily of HGH
20 IU daily of Insulin

Weeks 6-8
300mg daily of masteron
152mg daily of parabolan
250mg daily of winstrol tabs
150mg daily of halotestin
50mg daily of winstrol inj
24 IU daily of HGH

Weeks 9-10
200mg daily of masteron
100mg daily of winny inj
200mg daily of halotestin
400mg daily of winny tabs
24 IU daily of HGH
Insulin daily
IGF-1 daily

Days 1-3 leading up to show
aldactone, lasix

That's a lot of stuff! EXPENSIVE!!!
Must not have any blood in the veins during that cycle but only oil...lol

[JonnyO]

That Munzer cycle has been floating around the net for ages now and who knows for sure what he was really taking.

One thing most pros are big on is the GH. I have heard one Mr.O was big on Parabolan in his day. Another Mr.O was big on GH and has prescriptions for all his gear and is also a big EQ user.

Those doses Flexy's buddy is using is just rediculous. Talk about pushing things to the limit to make up for something WOW. I can see soem serious problems down the road for this fella, just from those tren dosages alone. I'd hate to see his blood panel.

[shithead]

Tell me you're kidding, please

As for doses.. Hard to say but I do know some heavy users that I've trained with in the past that will use 5,000mg Test/week, 2,000mg Tren/week, 50-150mg Anadrol/ED, 40iu's Slin daily, 100mcg IGF-1 post-workout/ED, etc

And that's a regular off-season bulker for a close friend of mine.. So to assume pro's use 10,000mg+/week is not unreasonable

This is either under dosed shit, or these dudes are nuts. They mustn't hope to live past 35.

How would the body accommodate that many injections w/o a crazy build up of scar tissue. There are only so many places one can poke.

This would be the equivalent to 12.5cc of t400 and 10 cc of tren enanthate for a total of 22.5 mls of injects per week.

This seems insane to me, although not impossible, just insane. These people have deep issues. No intentional offense meant.

[Big D]

ya i dont know how these guys take that much, you must run out of spots???
I have trouble taking 8 mls a week. I can just imagine double.


This is either under dosed shit, or these dudes are nuts. They mustn't hope to live past 35.

How would the body accommodate that many injections w/o a crazy build up of scar tissue. There are only so many places one can poke.

This would be the equivalent to 12.5cc of t400 and 10 cc of tren enanthate for a total of 22.5 mls of injects per week.

This seems insane to me, although not impossible, just insane. These people have deep issues. No intentional offense meant.

[St]

A friend won a trip to hang with the pro's of Pro lab,one pro said he took 5000mg of test e and placed top 10 in the Mr.O.Another pro said he took 50mg of dbol ed,with 750mg test e amps ed,and did prop in his arms on top of that eod 50-100mg and this guy never placed in a show.

[Big D]

Well, I can tell you it's not 'underdosed shit' as I've seen the Karachi Sustanon ampules he uses and they're real-deal. So 20 amps of a Sust a week.. 3ml in each jab everyday.. Delts, bis, tris, lats, quads, calves, pecs, glutes.. Not that hard to be honest.

He cooks his own Tren and makes it around 135-150mg/ml give or take.. So throw another 15ml's of gear into the mix a week.. Another 3ml's a day.. It's entirely possible, and the gear use has nothing to do with 'deep issues'

Not to be a dick but you're judging a close friend of mine that's one of the most successful business people I've met in my life and likely one of the most stand-up and honest people I've met as well.. He's been using gear for 15+ years, sits at around 285 with abs at 5'11.. To mantain that kind of size and structure you need a lot of drugs, plain and simple.

Everyone has their vice..


thats intense, i've tried 3ml injections and it just didnt agree with me. i dont know how they do it.

[JonnyO]

To mantain that kind of size and structure you need a lot of drugs, plain and simple.

Everyone has their vice..

I know guys that big that dont need a 1/4 that amount!

[spankmonkey]

I think people get hung up on doses. Many top pros are gentetically predisposed to be more receptive to there sups and where some top pros may take the equal amounts as you they will respond differently.
Not all pros "jack up" on huge amounts, some do and they may place in top 10, but will they be around for a long time? Look at the guys who made it to the top and they stayed there maybe for 5 years and then either died or had renal failure and cannot compete anymore.
More is not better, imo, supplementing with drugs or even vitamines should be a process which involves knowledge, and planning. Just jamming shit in cause someone says you should or the writeups are great is just plain stupid.
I have know guys who take 4-5 grams of test per week and others who stack that with growth, slin, and one guy who downs winnie like its candi. quite frankly none of them are doing very well health wise and they are stuck at the provincial and national level cycle. One guy even was admitted to the hospital with massive renal failure while preparing for his first pro show!

[shithead]

Well, I can tell you it's not 'underdosed shit' as I've seen the Karachi Sustanon ampules he uses and they're real-deal. So 20 amps of a Sust a week.. 3ml in each jab everyday.. Delts, bis, tris, lats, quads, calves, pecs, glutes.. Not that hard to be honest.

He cooks his own Tren and makes it around 135-150mg/ml give or take.. So throw another 15ml's of gear into the mix a week.. Another 3ml's a day.. It's entirely possible, and the gear use has nothing to do with 'deep issues'

Not to be a dick but you're judging a close friend of mine that's one of the most successful business people I've met in my life and likely one of the most stand-up and honest people I've met as well.. He's been using gear for 15+ years, sits at around 285 with abs at 5'11.. To mantain that kind of size and structure you need a lot of drugs, plain and simple.

Everyone has their vice..

Ya well, I didnt mean to insult you or your friend either. After rereading my post, I was the one who came across as the dick. My 'deep issues' comment was out of line. Its true, everyone has their vices.

If hes a close friend of yours, I hope hes taking the proper precautions to insure that he will be your friend for some time to come.

Stand up people are hard to come by these days.

[phatkid77]

OH MY GOD....smart toney, are you refering to shawn davies, or davis..the bull dog!!!

thats the story i have too.....JUST CRAZYNESS.....making up for lack of genetics...

also, i "heard" the munzer cycle (or someoness) was posted as such, because they got arrested, and were trying to show "personal use", not trafficking

phats

[phatkid77]

back to me...lol, i heard that the injections of this one pro took like 20 mins..with copious pills injested between injects....every muscle dripping with blood....lol

phats

[tony_canuck]

okay I gotta ask, how are guys able to afford all of this unless they're pro's? I hear about guys who aren't even at nationals running crazy high GH, but this must cost a fortune....

The one thing I think is that money has a huge effect on these guys, I remember Ronnie when he came in, small guy. Then he must have found some funding and boom, blows up....am I wrong in thinking that?

[gsxr750]

Most of them getting directly from overseas, HGH is not expensive direct... Bout 1/3 of what it is domestic.

[4031]

[QUOTE=tony

The one thing I think is that money has a huge effect on these guys, I remember Ronnie when he came in, small guy. Then he must have found some funding and boom, blows up....am I wrong in thinking that?[/QUOTE]

I think ronnie discover the right combo of foods and training program (ie doggcrapp) that worked for him and then he blew up

[Kilburn]

I think ronnie discover the right combo of foods and training program (ie doggcrapp) that worked for him and then he blew up

lol, shut up. he got on a shitload of GH is what happened. the evidence is his fuking face.

[Houstonbc]

lol, shut up. he got on a shitload of GH is what happened. the evidence is his fuking face

and gut

[phatkid77]

bump for smart tony

[bigdaddydrew123]

so these guys everybody knows take 2000 plus test/ week how many are even close to pro level,that tells me if their not either pros take a helluva alot more or they rspond way better to less ie good genetics.

[Houstonbc]

I
'd have to think most pro's are taking a sick amount of sauce, simply because of the cycles I see Dave palumbo advice average gym goers to use. In the one and only MD mag I have, he's telling one dude to start at 250mg of test, ramp it up to 1 g by week 3 and run it til week 10 and taper down. That's not including his advice to take 500mg of deca with that cycle, and 40mg of dbol a day. That to me right there is a F-ing big cycle. So if he's advising that to the average guy who's just firing a question to him on his MD column, I'd have to think most pro's would be at least double that amount... of course with the GH/Slin/IGF-1 added in. Oh and yes, he also advised this guy to take IGF-1 with this cycle as well. Just unreal.

Well guess what buddy alot of pros these days are working with dave palumbo for their diets contest prep and stuff so i dont think he can be as much of a moron as you make him out to be in your post...

[tex]

palumblo is a veterinarian?? i thought he dropped out of med school.....

[Houstonbc]

my bad sorry geo

[mikeok]

one cycle ive seen personally
1500 mg of prop per week(50mg amps)
100mg of v a day(summit)
20 ius hgh a day
100mcg igf 1 a day
slin daily(no idea amount)
100mg anavar a day
100mg proviron a day
45mg halo a day
100mg tren a day
100mg masteron per day
8 weeks precontest
not a pro

[gustavo77]

45mg of Halo per day..wow...

[Ritch]

one cycle ive seen personally
1500 mg of prop per week(50mg amps)
100mg of v a day(summit)
20 ius hgh a day
100mcg igf 1 a day
slin daily(no idea amount)
100mg anavar a day
100mg proviron a day
45mg halo a day
100mg tren a day
100mg masteron per day
8 weeks precontest
not a pro

How big is he? I just calculated he takes 4615mg of gear a week not counting the hgh, slin, igf and proviron. Not a pro you say? If he can`t make it on that I don`t think it will ever happen.

[Ritch]

I just wanted to add that although Palumbo seems to be known to be a smart guy but hear this. I know a guy got some advice from him who uses 1 gram of test a week plus other gear as well, can`t remember the specifics... Anyway Palumbo`s advice to him was to go to Mc donald`s after a workout. This was to gain mass. This in my mind is shitty advice. Nothing personal against Palumbo. Love the guy with his no bull radio show. Guys, King Kamali is on tonight, should be the best one yet!

[Ritch]

Holy crap this thread has alot of views!!!

[Gettin'r'round]

nobody gets into bodybuilding for a healthy lifestyle....

[mikeok]

How big is he? I just calculated he takes 4615mg of gear a week not counting the hgh, slin, igf and proviron. Not a pro you say? If he can`t make it on that I don`t think it will ever happen.

competes as a heavy at a height of 5f7
ud really be surprised at how much gear guys who compete use even guys who arent pro
guys getting ready for the coupe pro gym run 10ius a day for three - 4 months as well as 100mcg of igf1 plus 3 grams of gear per week
its insane

[Ritch]

competes as a heavy at a height of 5f7
ud really be surprised at how much gear guys who compete use even guys who arent pro
guys getting ready for the coupe pro gym run 10ius a day for three - 4 months as well as 100mcg of igf1 plus 3 grams of gear per week
its insane

I guess I`m not surprised as I have heard some high dosages being run in that show as well. One guy told me once he was using 2100mg of deca with test, anavar, winstrol, I forget the dosages of these and I`m sure there were others roids as well but just remember thinking that`s alot of deca. For what I can remember pro gym never even puts their pics on the wall to congratulate the winners.

[Bowlcut]

competes as a heavy at a height of 5f7
ud really be surprised at how much gear guys who compete use even guys who arent pro
guys getting ready for the coupe pro gym run 10ius a day for three - 4 months as well as 100mcg of igf1 plus 3 grams of gear per week
its insane

Just for a local level event?
Stupid.

[Ritch]

Something must be wrong with their diet and training because there are no mass monsters in these shows. Some don`t even consume essential fats, just protein and veges for cutting. I asked one guy how many calories he was eating and replied he didn`t know... Overheard him once saying "don`t worry the gh does all the work..." I would say overtraining and undereating are the reasons for the lack of bigger contestants in these type of shows.

Personally I feel bad for these guys spending $5000 and alot more... on a show and not even making top 3. Of course it`s all relative with the money issues as some people can see me using $100 of whey a month and think it`s too much. I wouldn`t want to offend anyone who compete`s but is it worth it? The look that is achieved 6 weeks out, to me is good. After that these guys are just sacrificing muscle for minimal amounts of fat loss, all the time feeling and looking like death. Just the way I see it.