My first cycle

[Seth]

I've been planning my first cycle for some time now and I'd like your opinion about it.

W 1-10 test-enanthate 400mg EW
W 1-8 equipose 500mg EW
W 1-11 hcg 500iu EW
W 1-11 aromasin .25mg ED
W 11-15 nolvadex 40-40-20-20-10mg ED

I plan on injecting the test-e, eq and hcg twice weekly. I want to run hcg a little longer to help with the pct but not too long since litterature leads to believe that hcg is suppressive. The daily aromasin is because I highly suspect myself of being estrogen sensitive.

More info about me: I've been lifting for about 5 years. Right now I'm in the final weeks of a cut from 215 down to 195 (single digit bodyfat). I'm planning this cycle to get some decent lean gains while trying to keep side effects to a minimum.

What do you think? Constructive criticism only please, thanks!

[mcgee]

Looks good Seth, I would personally drop the EQ if it is a first cycle. You will make tremendous gains with the test, proper nutrition, training, and sleep. My first cycle was 250mg test E every 5 days and it rocked.

[gustavo77]

Eight weeks of EQ is not enough bro. Eq (boldenone undecylenate) has a looonnngg ester, most don;t notice anything from it for 6-8 weeks. Eq is best run 12+ weeks IMHO. The test dose is great bro, exactly what i did my first cycle but i ran it for 12 weeks. I recommend dropping the EQ in this cycle entirely, you do not even know how you react to high doses of test yet. Hit the test for 10-12 weeks and mabe an oral for the beginning or the end. D-bol or t-bol for 4-5 weeks at a reasonable dose (20-30mg of d-bol or 40-50mg of t-bol) would be a great addition.

[Diesel_250]

Eight weeks of EQ is not enough bro. Eq (boldenone undecylenate) has a looonnngg ester, most don;t notice anything from it for 6-8 weeks. Eq is best run 12+ weeks IMHO. The test dose is great bro, exactly what i did my first cycle but i ran it for 12 weeks. I recommend dropping the EQ in this cycle entirely, you do not even know how you react to high doses of test yet. Hit the test for 10-12 weeks and mabe an oral for the beginning or the end. D-bol or t-bol for 4-5 weeks at a reasonable dose (20-30mg of d-bol or 40-50mg of t-bol) would be a great addition.

I totally agree. My first cycle was 250mgs of sustanon shot every 5 days for 8 weeks, If I knew then what I know now I would have run a longer ester for 12+ weeks and spiked twice a week for stable blood levels. I would run one of the following:

weeks 1-12 Test E 400mgs

OR

weeks 1-4 Tbol 40mgs ED
weeks 1-12 Test E 400mgs

Good luck bro, keep us posted

[IronRobi]

I'm going to echo everybody else here. I would drop the EQ and run Test only. I'll give you a scenario that explains why as well.

Testosterone should be the base of all cycles. If you start with Test and EQ together and you suddenly start experiencing major side effects, how are you going to know if it's the Test causing it or the EQ? You can drop one or the other by guessing and hope you make the right guess. But if you guess wrong the sides can continue. When it comes to your health and safety, you shouldn't just guess.

You will grow like crazy with 10-12 weeks of Test only. 400mg is a good starting dose, you'd even still get great results at 250mg. After finishing this cycle, and some down time, add the EQ in for your second cycle. This way you'll already know how you react to test only, and if you start experiencing bad sides the second time around you'll know for sure it's the eq.

[Seth]

thanks for the advice guys. What about the PCT? think it's good enough?

[Diesel_250]

there are 2 schools of thought on PCT, I like to taper over 4 weeks after a 6 week static period, during the the taper I will add in nolva 40/30/20/10/10.

Other guys like to just run PCT without a taper. I believe with test E you will wait 2 weeks and start your nolva 40/30/20/10/10 and you should be good to go. I personally like nolvadex over clomid, I had some bad sides with clomid. Double check with some of the other guys about this I am not 100% about the timing.

[Big D]

pct looks good like diesel said wait 2 or 3 weeks after your last test e shot then take nolva.

[IronRobi]

Start your pct on week 12 (2 weeks after your last test shot) not 11. I personally like to use HCG during the first 2 weeks of PCT at 500iu EOD or E3D. I'd save some of your hcg for that. It's not absolutely necessary to start it right from your first week. Your boys aren't going to shrivel up that fast :)

[The Terminator]

Ok, my input. : )

Drop the EQ. As mentioned, it's a long ass ester that you're not going to see gains from.

Aromasin isn't needed right away. Chances are, at 400mg/week Test E, you're not going to need it at all unless predisposed to gyno issues, which you'll only find out once you're about 5 weeks or more on cycle. Why drop estrogen levels if you don't need to? Estrogen plays a part as well in muscle growth and recovery, as well as maintaining erections. Keep it on hand, it never hurts to have lots on hand. I have lots of Nolva, Adex, and Clomid on hand, enough of each for about 3 PCT's - just in case.

As for HCG, 4 days per week at 250 to 500IU. Some of the newest research shows this to be most effective - http://www.ironlife.com/mag/issue13/crisler.shtml

PCT - Start PCT on Week 12, 2 weeks after last injection. You'll only really need 4 weeks after your cycle, and your recovery should be good with the HCG and Nolva combination. 40/40/20/20 is all you'll need, you can confirm this with blood work.

Matt