6th week progress (1st cycle): the good and the bad and the ugly

[smithmitchelle]

Coming into my 6th week of my first cycle (500mg/w Test Enan), have seen my body weight increase from 190lbs to 209lbs (16%-17%BF) out of that ~20lbs, 5-7lbs is water weight and 5-7lbs of fat???!?, I would like to think more like 2-4 or none in an ideal world but I wont know until I get my BF% done again.

Key Stats: (good)

Forearms +.5"
Biceps +.75"
Chest +1.25"
Shoulders +2.5"
Gut - Even (thank God)
Quads +1.25"
Calfs +.5"

Side Effects Observed (so far):

slightly more aggressive (not a bad side effect)
(bad) testes have downgraded from a 5 room house to a 2 bedroom apartment

(ugly)worst side effect swelling/bloating in general, the more concerning area is my face is swollen like I ate too much salty food.

Any suggestions on how you guys deal with swelling in the face? could you use a aux. drug to prevent it or is there other topical creams to relieve swelling.???????

[Big D]

looks likke some good progress, and for the bloating,
try some adex or aromasin.

[smithmitchelle]

Thank you Big D,

how much should I take? 20mg/day?

and I've heard that it can impact your gains is this true?

[GTZ3]

Depending on your tabs 10mg-12.5mg ED would probably suffice dude. And no, your gains wont be hindered. You estrogen wont be completely eliminated, probably it will just get knocked down to pre cycling levels.

Also, unlike SERMS (mainly nolva) Aromasin will not suppress IGF1 levels which is a benefit whether your on or off cycle.

Another route you could take could be 25 mgs of proviron AM, then 25mg PM ... its will lower SHBG, therefoe increase free test, and is also posseses anti estrogenic properties aswell. You will also become horny as ****.

Personally id go with the proviron, and save the aromasin for post cycle.

[Kilburn]

they shrunk already? for me no matter how much shit i run they dont seem to go down that much.

[theboss]

drink more water....review your diet

[L3]

cut out dairy (well have it before bed if you want but not during the day it makes your retain water) and try to eat as low sodium as possible

[AlbertaBeef]

Big bump on the water and do more cardio. Personally I would rather try this first before starting any AI's on cycle. Some are just prone to bloating more than others and in different body sites and it sounds like you have the curse of the moon face while on.

[Sean Summers]

Clean up your diet and your bloat will go away.
SS

[gsxr750]

Less carbs, more water, clean protein and fats. Keep us posted!

[The Terminator]

Coming into my 6th week of my first cycle (500mg/w Test Enan), have seen my body weight increase from 190lbs to 209lbs (16%-17%BF) out of that ~20lbs, 5-7lbs is water weight and 5-7lbs of fat???!?, I would like to think more like 2-4 or none in an ideal world but I wont know until I get my BF% done again.

Key Stats: (good)

Forearms +.5"
Biceps +.75"
Chest +1.25"
Shoulders +2.5"
Gut - Even (thank God)
Quads +1.25"
Calfs +.5"

Side Effects Observed (so far):

slightly more aggressive (not a bad side effect)
(bad) testes have downgraded from a 5 room house to a 2 bedroom apartment

(ugly)worst side effect swelling/bloating in general, the more concerning area is my face is swollen like I ate too much salty food.

Any suggestions on how you guys deal with swelling in the face? could you use a aux. drug to prevent it or is there other topical creams to relieve swelling.???????

Remember that long esters ran on people with higher body fat will cause more estrogenic sides, one of those being water retention. If you're feeling bloated and it's bugging you, use Adex or Aromasin like someone else mentioned.

But remember, the more fat on your body when cycling, the more water retention. I didn't even bother on my first cycle to try to eliminate the bloat, it was a waste of Adex to do so as it wasn't causing any health issues. I'd rather just deal with it, and drink more water, lower the carbs, than spend money on Arimidex to lose a couple of pounds of water weight. ;)

Matt

[giannos]

Nice gains.. Especially the shoulders.. Like others said diet is key. But some people just bloat more than others.. I use Adex .25-.5 EOD and it keeps me nice and "dry"

[bigdaddydrew123]

yes, watch carbs , lots of water,will do the job,your prob eating alot of excess cals if your bloating

[Diesel_250]

less carbs, lots of water and try adex

[AlbertaBeef]

Bloating is not an unhealthy thing, it just ain't pretty. I work with bloat as it helps my joints so I don't mind it however I never bloat that bad.

[bigZ241]

I'm currently in a cycle dunning close to what you're using. I'm running '600mg' test and '450' of deca. I put them in quotes because it's SA labs and there's much talk about their stuff being under dosed. But at the same time, my junk still works so at least the test isn't under dosed to less than the deca or I would have trouble getting it up.

All that aside, I'm running .5 EOD of adex (this is my first time with adex, as well it's my first time with deca, the deca was the main reason for the adex). having less estrogen I have definitely noticed not quite as much strength as other cycles, but at the same time, not near as much bloat. I'm on my 7th week and am up 12lbs and my bf% is down 1, maybe 2%.

so far the adex has kept my bloat down for sure (also, for reference sake, i was %14 bodyfat starting this cycle) but also held down my strength. Go figure though, estrogen has a huge role in strength as well as joint health, but i digress.

As for your boys shrinking up. For me 250IU HCG E3D is working wonders. In the past I've had big (or rather "small") problems with my boys. I'm now, like i said, on my 7th week, and I have only just now noticed the absolute smallest change in size (and trust me, I measured them pre-cycle, cause I wanted to dodge this problem bigtime!).

I feel set to come off of this cycle, going to run the usual nolva/clomid for a pct starting 2 weeks post last shot of test, then for my 4 weeks pct I'll be running the nolva/clomid, as well as 80mcg (40 bi laterally) of IGF-1 LR3. This is my first PCT with IGF in it, but not my first time using IGF. It sounds like EVERYONE running it post cycle reports keeping %80+ of their gains from the cycle. I can't pass up that opportunity! plus the crazy pumps while on, and the fat loss, perfect for PCT. Also, I'll be running some clen to help stop cortisol, and keep my body from breaking down muscle. Although this should be avoided anyways with the IGF.

a helova post, I know, but I hope it was helpful!