winter cycle plans

[Mister T 72]

Well my Prop/Tren A/Winni cycle is soon ending....just 4 weeks left to go.Quite happy with the results...knocking on 250lbs door rather hard !! lol

So...this fall/early winter I'm looking at running the following:
Test Cyp 12-16 weeks @ 500mg/week
Eq 12- 16 weeks @ 600mg/week
Gettin things started with Iranian DROL weeks 1-4 @ 50mg/day

Possibly adding in Proviron....but would appreciate any input as to the benefit of doing so.
Advisable to inject the EQ and Cyp twice per week?? I have read different accounts of EQ beng more effective if injected more than once / week...
Will be following this cycle up with another Prop/Tren A/Winni or Masteron cycle in the late spring :moon

[Kilburn]

how did you like winni? i've never tried it.

[gustavo77]

Well my Prop/Tren A/Winni cycle is soon ending....just 4 weeks left to go.Quite happy with the results...knocking on 250lbs door rather hard !! lol

So...this fall/early winter I'm looking at running the following:
Test Cyp 12-16 weeks @ 500mg/week
Eq 12- 16 weeks @ 600mg/week
Gettin things started with Iranian DROL weeks 1-4 @ 50mg/day

Possibly adding in Proviron....but would appreciate any input as to the benefit of doing so.
Advisable to inject the EQ and Cyp twice per week?? I have read different accounts of EQ beng more effective if injected more than once / week...
Will be following this cycle up with another Prop/Tren A/Winni or Masteron cycle in the late spring :moon

Personally i would bump the test to 750mg/wk if running 600mg of EQ. Run the test one week longer than the EQ, that way the half lives will run out at approx the same time, setting you up properly for pct.

Proviron is a very good addition to any cycle. It lowers SHBG, freeing up test, competes with estrogen, lower estrogen related sides and just gives you a harder, drier appearance. 50mg/day is the appropriate dose for this cycle.

Yes, inject the test cyp and Eq twice per week.

[Mister T 72]

Personally i would bump the test to 750mg/wk if running 600mg of EQ. Run the test one week longer than the EQ, that way the half lives will run out at approx the same time, setting you up properly for pct.

Proviron is a very good addition to any cycle. It lowers SHBG, freeing up test, competes with estrogen, lower estrogen related sides and just gives you a harder, drier appearance. 50mg/day is the appropriate dose for this cycle.

Yes, inject the test cyp and Eq twice per week.

Thanks Gus...GREAT to see you here

[Mister T 72]

how did you like winni? i've never tried it.

I've just added in the winni on Thursday....but seem to be drying out a little already

[Diesel_250]

I am thinking of running the same cycle with out the a-bombs. If I run test higher than 500mgs/wk I get a little mental. 750 for me and I turn into a total asshole and get super sensitive but on 500 I am cool as a cucumber. if only running 500 test would I be better off to take 300 EQ/wk? would proviron be better than adex? thanks for the advice and feed back in advance.

Cheers
D_250

[4031]

I would suggest what gustavo77 says too........proviron is a great addition to any cycle

[gustavo77]

Thanks Gus...GREAT to see you here

Haha, good to see you here also bro. Did i even welcome you?? Shit, welcome to CBB bro, this is a great site with some great folks. Stick around and make yourself at home.

[gustavo77]

I am thinking of running the same cycle with out the a-bombs. If I run test higher than 500mgs/wk I get a little mental. 750 for me and I turn into a total asshole and get super sensitive but on 500 I am cool as a cucumber. if only running 500 test would I be better off to take 300 EQ/wk? would proviron be better than adex? thanks for the advice and feed back in advance.

Cheers
D_250

You'll be fine running up to 600mg of Eq/wk with 500mg of test. I just think that test ran slightly higher is better but it is not absolutely necessary. The reason i suggested upping the test to 750mg/wk mister T is because i believe there is a big difference in gains between running test @500mg and 750mg and he wants to bulk.

If you are truly prone to estrogen sides on cycle then no, proviron will not be sufficient. Provrion does not lower estrogen, it only competes with it and renders some of it inactive. Non-sufficient if one is prone to gyno, excessive water retention and or high BP. Only a real Aromatase Inhibitor such as Arimidex, Aromasin or Letrozole can lower estrogen levels. I will say though that when i run proviron, i do not need to take as much of an AI as would if it were not included. If i run 50mg of Proviron per day then i only need to take 0.5mg of adex eod, where as if the Proviron was not taken i would need 0.5mg/day of Adex.

[Diesel_250]

my problem with taking 750mgs/wk over 500mgs/wk is that my moods become much more enhanced. I agree with running the test slightly higher than than the EQ but I'm not sure if I will be able to run the test at 750 for 16weeks. my last cycle was 750mgs/wk of sustanon for 12 weeks but at the 6 week mark I had to cut back to 500mgs/wk due to mood swings. I was getting into more arguements with co-workers, my gf noticed that I wasn't "myself". I even notice that when I cut back to 500 it was easier to let stuff go and not get worked up about stuff.

[gustavo77]

my problem with taking 750mgs/wk over 500mgs/wk is that my moods become much more enhanced. I agree with running the test slightly higher than than the EQ but I'm not sure if I will be able to run the test at 750 for 16weeks. my last cycle was 750mgs/wk of sustanon for 12 weeks but at the 6 week mark I had to cut back to 500mgs/wk due to mood swings. I was getting into more arguements with co-workers, my gf noticed that I wasn't "myself". I even notice that when I cut back to 500 it was easier to let stuff go and not get worked up about stuff.

How frequently were you injecting the sust?? Twice per week?? Eod??

[Diesel_250]

when I was taking 750 I was injecting mon/wed/fri when I dropped to 500 I was injecting mon/thurs. I was taking .5 adex ED as well.

[gustavo77]

when I was taking 750 I was injecting mon/wed/fri when I dropped to 500 I was injecting mon/thurs. I was taking .5 adex ED as well.

Mon, wed, fri is not a bad inject sch for sust. Eod is ideal though. Sust of course has the prop ester in it and although it is a small amount (generally 30mg of prop per ml) it can have an effect on blood level stability if taken too infrequently. My thinking was that it may be the hormonal peaks and valleys of taking sust too infrequently that was causing your emotional sides. Maybe using a single ester test and taking it appropriately may help you with the emotional sides of higher doses..if not, stick with 500mg of test and another anabolic..no reason you can;t grow off that.

[fathead]

i think the whole "run test higher than equ/deca/etc in your cycle" thing is really a basic rule of thumb someone came up with a long time ago that a lot of people now believe is imperetive (i know gustavo mentioned he doesnt think its the end of the world if you dont.....)

i know people who probably beleive if you run 500 test and 499 deca youll be all good but as soon as you run 501mg deca youll be all messed up and shut down. it just doesnt work like that, we arent computers.

I love equ, and beleive it has to be run at high doses, i dont love test and run either a low dose or none at all. equ>test in a cycle is not a problem at all for me or anyone i have reccomended it too.

good luck

[Diesel_250]

Thanks, I think I might give the 750mgs/wk a try and see how I respond, will taking cyp mon/thurs be a good injection schedule?

[gustavo77]

Thanks, I think I might give the 750mgs/wk a try and see how I respond, will taking cyp mon/thurs be a good injection schedule?

Yes or to keep the inject volume down you can inject mon, wed, fri. But either is fine.

[gustavo77]

i think the whole "run test higher than equ/deca/etc in your cycle" thing is really a basic rule of thumb someone came up with a long time ago that a lot of people now believe is imperetive (i know gustavo mentioned he doesnt think its the end of the world if you dont.....)

i know people who probably beleive if you run 500 test and 499 deca youll be all good but as soon as you run 501mg deca youll be all messed up and shut down. it just doesnt work like that, we arent computers.

I love equ, and beleive it has to be run at high doses, i dont love test and run either a low dose or none at all. equ>test in a cycle is not a problem at all for me or anyone i have reccomended it too.

good luck

I am with you on this bro. I think as long as there is enough test taken to put someone in the high normal range (say 150-200mg of test per week), they should not have a problem. If they do, then i think there is something else going on there.

[xxSCHiSMxx]

I love equ, and beleive it has to be run at high doses, i dont love test and run either a low dose or none at all. equ>test in a cycle is not a problem at all for me or anyone i have reccomended it too.
Test/EQ also gonna be my winter stack, 16 wks. Love the EQ. 600 - 800mg EW + 500mg of Test EW. It's simple, cheap, and works for me.

[Mister T 72]

Have been doing lots of reading on EQ and there seems to be many mixed opinions on the results .
So..
Proposed revision:
weeks 1-16 Test Cyp 250mg every 3 days
weeks 1-16 NPP 200mg every 3 days
weeks 1-6 Anadrol @ 50 mg/day
weeks 1-8 D-bol @ 40mg/day
Proviron run @ 50mg/day throughout

Critique before I spend my $$ lol

[tony_canuck]

my 2 cents on the test>eq is that if the sides are crappy, reduce it until you're happy. its not as if you won't grow unless the ratio is exactly perfect....if you're going mental on a high dose i would reduce and enjoy the cycle

[Diesel_250]

my 2 cents on the test>eq is that if the sides are crappy, reduce it until you're happy. its not as if you won't grow unless the ratio is exactly perfect....if you're going mental on a high dose i would reduce and enjoy the cycle

I agree, thank you

[4031]

Have been doing lots of reading on EQ and there seems to be many mixed opinions on the results .
So..
Proposed revision:
weeks 1-16 Test Cyp 250mg every 3 days
weeks 1-16 NPP 200mg every 3 days
weeks 1-6 Anadrol @ 50 mg/day
weeks 1-8 D-bol @ 40mg/day
Proviron run @ 50mg/day throughout

Critique before I spend my $$ lol

dbol and anadrol for 6 weeks? is that too much?

[Mister T 72]

did some deeper digging into the use of NPP and anadrol is not recommended to use with it..so anadrol is out the door for this one
i have plenty of time to figure this next one out...and plenty of time to read and listen