Minimum Bridge Length

[vigilant3]

What's the minimum amount of time off of gear that is recommended between cycles? I want to stay on as long as possible without destroying my HPTA and maintaining the ability to impregnate some lucky lady.

[GTZ3]

Everynes different bro. Some guys can crank it hard for 20 years, have 3 on cycle babies, come off and have normal test levels.

Others can sniff gear and get shut down ...

You know your body, IMO get bloodwork pre and psot cycle always - if dosages and durations increase and your still bouncing back then great ... if not, maybe cut it down a notch.

[L3]

i have heard the rule of thumb is time off = time on x 2

best get your bloodwork done before starting again tho, like gtz said every is diff

also depends on what gear you ran.. i hear deca shuts you down for months :S

[St]

I take 8 weeks off,but do a good run of PCT,hcg,clomid,nolva's,or aromasin.

Here are the following gears that shut down HPTA...there all Progesterone receptors.

Deca's (Nora 19)..npp..Durabolin.
Tren
A's bombs

All three gears also hit the Androgen receptors..

Also the three gears also hit the Estrogen Receptors as well.So all three receptors are hit from these three gear,so never taper with these items.

[vigilant3]

I take 8 weeks off,but do a good run of PCT,hcg,clomid,nolva's,or aromasin.

Here are the following gears that shut down HPTA...there all Progesterone receptors.

Deca's (Nora 19)..npp..Durabolin.
Tren
A's bombs

All three gears also hit the Androgen receptors..

Also the three gears also hit the Estrogen Receptors as well.So all three receptors are hit from these three gear,so never taper with these items.

Hm... so if one is just toying with 500mgs of test (enanthate) per week, the time off can be significantly less?

[rated_rko]

time on = time off....

[L3]

Hm... so if one is just toying with 500mgs of test (enanthate) per week, the time off can be significantly less?

i think it depends on wether you want to be able to have kids or not...

[St]

Hm... so if one is just toying with 500mgs of test (enanthate) per week, the time off can be significantly less?

Yes it could.Test just hit two receptors (Androgen) receptor and (Estrogen receptor) so you would recover faster.
T-bol only hits the Androgen Receptor so you would recover even fast your natural test and its great to taper off with t-bol or anavar.

[gustavo77]

Yes it could.Test just hit two receptors (Androgen) receptor and (Estrogen receptor) so you would recover faster.
T-bol only hits the Androgen Receptor so you would recover even fast your natural test and its great to taper off with t-bol or anavar.

Bro, it has nothing to do with which receptors a particular AAS hits or not. Once the body senses an abundance of androgens, the pituitary will stop producing/releasing LH and that will signal the leydig cells of the testes to stop producing test. The only way to keep these leydig cells functioning on cycle is with HCG.

FOR THOSE who wish to run a long cycle, you are risking a very weak recovery in the future if you do not keep the leydig cells stimulated. Shut down of these cells begins with the very first shot/pill of AAS that you take and the longer these cells are shut down, the harder it will be for them to start functioning again. Although tren will shut these cells down faster than anavar, anavar will still shut them down over time and once they are shut down, they are shut down, the same recovery methods should apply.

I run 500iu of HCG every 3-4 days on cycle and my boyz are always working and primed for when i come off. HCG is a must for any cycle IMHO.

[vigilant3]

I run 500iu of HCG every 3-4 days on cycle and my boyz are always working and primed for when i come off. HCG is a must for any cycle IMHO.

I never realized that, that's great to hear and i'll definitely be starting that practice. What do you use while you're off to maintain your gains?

[gustavo77]

I never realized that, that's great to hear and i'll definitely be starting that practice. What do you use while you're off to maintain your gains?

For simplicity sake you can just run your HCG 2x per week, ie mon, thurs and that would be fine.

What i do is of course run the HCG on cycle. I do my last shot of HCG 5 days before i start my pct. For pct i run 50-100mg of clomid (HG 50mg or UG 100mg) per day for 21 days and 25mg of Aromasin for 35-40 days. To maintain my gains i keep my diet up, high protein/moderate carbs, keep training and take lots of glutamine, creatine and anti-oxidant vits (vit C, E, CoQ10) to keep cortisol under control.

[smithmitchelle]

sorry dont mean to hijack this thread but quick question

gustavo, Im running Test Enan 500mg/w for 12 weeks I was going to run Hcg 2 weeks before my last shot until 2 weeks after my last shot as well as the standard aux drugs. I wanted to extend my 12 weeks to run into a short cutting cycle (5 weeks) is this crazy or is there a reasonable way to do it. Or should I cycle off PCT then start a winter cycle.

[gustavo77]

sorry dont mean to hijack this thread but quick question

gustavo, Im running Test Enan 500mg/w for 12 weeks I was going to run Hcg 2 weeks before my last shot until 2 weeks after my last shot as well as the standard aux drugs. I wanted to extend my 12 weeks to run into a short cutting cycle (5 weeks) is this crazy or is there a reasonable way to do it. Or should I cycle off PCT then start a winter cycle.

I am not sure of your cycle experience but if you use HCG throughout you should be ok to run the cycle a little longer. The key is to start the HCG ASAP and get those boyz working again and continue to use the HCG until 4-5 days before you start pct.

[vigilant3]

For simplicity sake you can just run your HCG 2x per week, ie mon, thurs and that would be fine.

What i do is of course run the HCG on cycle. I do my last shot of HCG 5 days before i start my pct. For pct i run 50-100mg of clomid (HG 50mg or UG 100mg) per day for 21 days and 25mg of Aromasin for 35-40 days. To maintain my gains i keep my diet up, high protein/moderate carbs, keep training and take lots of glutamine, creatine and anti-oxidant vits (vit C, E, CoQ10) to keep cortisol under control.

Do you recommend using something strong like Anavar while off cycle in unison with HCG or is that just hitting the boys too hard?

[gustavo77]

Do you recommend using something strong like Anavar while off cycle in unison with HCG or is that just hitting the boys too hard?

No, anavar will keep you shut down. Do not take any AAS during your "off" time, cause if you did, you would not truly be off now would you...

[td1111]

I've always used HCG during my cycles like gustavo say, although 250iu 2x/week. I've always recovered fast and easy.