Cycle Advise: DNP/Test/Tren/A50 [Archive] - CANADA BODYBUILDING

Blitz-Test

29-08-2008, 05:41 PM

What's your goal? Cut or gain?

Its a recomp, not a full out cut because I dont have a competition coming up but I will be soon so I wanna see what I look like at the 8%ish

From Lunkhead aka. Medical Doctor on our board.

do NOT use DNP.

I have buried 3 patients (all bodybuilders) who used it and one is a drooling idiot living permanently in an institution.

Heed Dr. M's advice.

On top of that you've combined it with Tren and Anadrol 50. You may as well add some cheque drops and 60iu of insulin.

Not to be a dick, but that's one of the most dangerous and stupid cycles i've ever seen. But don't take my word for it, Take Lunkheads.

I appreciate your opinion, however you are not giving any reasons not to take dnp, I know many people who use DNP perfectly fine, aslong as its moderation, Im not taking anything higher than 300mg

What is wrong with tren and drol, if you know what your doing there is no problem? What is the main problem? I am not saying there cant be any problems but I am very knowledgable and I am a future endo so I have alot of basic theory on all hormones... I also gave the option of opting out of Drol and adding Tbol, but can you please tell me which problems i will have with tren and drol....?

dnp??? must have a death wish.

why the difference in test? and whats with the weird dosage?

I guess DNP hasnt made its appearance here yet, just wait about 1 year, and youll see 5 threads aday about DNP, its not what you guys think, the only people who have problems are the idiots who dont research...

I have 20ml of cyp 250mg/ml and i have 2 vials so it works out that way...

Blitz-Test

29-08-2008, 06:03 PM

... good luck.

Im asking what the problem with tren and drol is?

Do you venture off CBB?

guest

29-08-2008, 06:10 PM

Im asking what the problem with tren and drol is?

Do you venture off CBB?

i think he was just concerned about your health, not looking to debate anabolic semantics, its a good thing.

he is loopy anyway, controlled by 'the great magnet'.

please keep us posted on that cycle.

GEO, i think you called Lunk "Dr M", haha.

BDH

29-08-2008, 06:14 PM

BDH

29-08-2008, 06:15 PM

BTW, I do know a few people who have used DNP successfully with great results... I hope I can add you to that list...

Blitz-Test

29-08-2008, 06:42 PM

Blitz... you give us a cycle that is WAY out of the ordinary, you ask peoples' opinions, then you fire back at anyone who doesnt say "awesome cycle"...

You say you are a future endo and are very knowledgeable... then why do you need anyones opinion? You already have the answers. You know what DNP can do. What kind of reaction are you expecting? This thread, IMO, was created simply for "look at all the cool stuff IM taking" factor...

No offense... I dont know you... BUT, in your few posts in this thread, it seems like youre fishing...

Oh yeah... who the **** drops to 8% without competing cuz "I wanna see what I look like"???

Guess you havent competed? I need to check my symetry, I dont wanna come to a competition and my hams are to small for my quads or something like that...

Honestly it may be out of the ordinary on this board but it is very standard on places like bb.com,

I actually am asking for opinions not "looking for death" "gross" how about why tren and drol dont work together,

What negatives dnp has at a dose of 200mg

Blitz-Test

29-08-2008, 06:45 PM

And to be honest dude, My problem is not with Tren or Drol, each of those can be used successfully. However each have very toxic side effects that affect a lot of the same organs. Then you go add DNP to this mix and I think that's just way too many toxic compounds for a cycle. If you're cool with doing that to your body that's fine. However it's cycles like that, that give all us AAS using bodybuilders and athletes a bad name.

Okay heres the first good post in this thread thanks...

However what organs do dnp/tren/drol all effect, because DNP doesnt have never feedback on liver, kidneys or even blood lipids. Drol yes I know it can be harsh on the liver but I do run NAC throughout the year and have numerous checks on my entire blood work, endocrine, lipids, liver...

Also tren doesnt have effects on kidneys alot may think because of urine discoloration, but that is unrelated to kidneys

Which oral would you use with tnt?

Blitz-Test

29-08-2008, 06:47 PM

No offense, but I highly doubt this. Alot of sources won't even carry DNP because they don't want to be responsible for the idiots who misuse it.

I agree, if people misuse it thats terrible, just like people who misuse anabolics, such as Dbol/Deca cycles, or Anadrol only, or people using winstrol to get ripped for upward of 8 weeks

Blitz-Test

29-08-2008, 06:49 PM

I've never understood why someone would use DNP... why not Clen or something a little weaker (and SAFER!) and a tighter diet with good cardio?

Clen a little weaker, if you have looked into metabolism Clen may increase up to 10% while DNP may increase up to 80%....

I have a great diet, and constant cardio

I wanted to try out dnp low doses because I dont like knocking things before I have tried for myself

BDH

29-08-2008, 06:54 PM

No, I havent competed... BUT, a couple of guys here MIGHT be able to back up my knowledge of contest prep... keep fishing, bro...

shithead

29-08-2008, 07:01 PM

The problem with DNP is the VARIANCE in purity from source to source. 300mg might be fine from source A, but from source B at 300mg; you would cook from the inside out.

Its not like the quality is controlled.

shithead

29-08-2008, 07:12 PM

I say at least 300mg tren/week. Two hundred is a waste.(imo)

Blitz-Test

29-08-2008, 07:12 PM

No, I havent competed... BUT, a couple of guys here MIGHT be able to back up my knowledge of contest prep... keep fishing, bro...

Im not fishing lol, I havent seen myself below 12% in along while, I dont know if I am holding fat somewhere I think im not, and so on... There is nothing wrong with cutting down without competeing

shithead

29-08-2008, 07:16 PM

Ahhh fvck it, stick with your original plan and 1000mg cytadren and in the last week add 40mg Lasix IV. LOL

Blitz-Test

29-08-2008, 07:16 PM

If you bought all of those compounds and wanted me to make a cycle out of that, in which you'd grow and not completely compromise your health while doing it. It would be something like.

Absolutely no DNP,

50mg anadrol for 3-4 weeks
500mg testosterone 1-12
200mg Tren 4-10

If you couldn't grow on that, and get great results. I'd fear your genetics aren't all that great or you're depending on drugs way too much.

Well thanks for your opinion, I havent bought anything yet, but tren enanthate run for only 6 weeks seems way to low, if acetate okay, but enanthate it wont peak until week 5...

Actually I have decided to lower my testosterone down to 625mg/week but i think I will keep the trenbolone at 400mg/week, and whether I am using Drol or tbol is still in there air I am acutally leaning towards tbol

shithead

29-08-2008, 07:17 PM

I think with this considered, I still think the cycle I devised would have the guy seeing results.

Geo the humanitarian.

Blitz-Test

29-08-2008, 07:20 PM

I think with this considered, I still think the cycle I devised would have the guy seeing results.

I am not 180 or even 200lb.... You dont know my cycle past....

Testosterone Isoca... 500mg/week 1-6

Testosterone Enanthate 500mg/week 1-10
Anavar 50mg/ed 1-8

Testosterone Enanthate 600mg/week 1-10
EQ 250mg/week 1-8 (Simply for collagen and appetite)
Methandrostenolone 40-60mg/ed 1-6

Testosterone Propionate 200mg/eod 1-8
NPP 140mg/eod 1-8
Testosterone Cypionate tweened in with the prop 5-8
Testosterone Cypionate 500mg/week 9-13 (Making sure nandrolone is clear before cycle, and avoiding prop drop)
M1T 20mg 4-7
hCG

Blood work done pre mid and post every cycle

Blitz-Test

29-08-2008, 07:22 PM

Slightly Revised:

2,4-Dinitrophenol
Week 1-3 200mg/ed

Testosterone Cypionate
Week 3-14 625mg/week (Split Mon/Thurs)

Trenbolone Enanthate
Week 3-12 400mg/week (Split Mon/Thurs)

Oral Turinabol
Week 5-8 40mg/ed (Split Am/Pm)

Cabergoline
Week 3-13 1mg/week (Split Mon/Thurs)

Of course hCG run throughout, and I might use torem for pct and try it out normally i use nolva

Blitz-Test

29-08-2008, 07:26 PM

Look man, i'm no guru... I'm just a guy who's been around for a long time. Not on this board. My cycles aren't perfect, and my advice isn't always going to be agreed with. The thing a lot of people who know me, will say about me though... is that I preach caution when it comes to AAS, and I use them, and have run a big cycle or two, and i've learned this much. Usually, guys get into the AAS and believe every cycle has to be an increase in dosage, and new compounds have to be added. I just don't think that's the case, Low dose cycles have yeilded myself and others great results. My goal is use Steroids as sanely, and responsibly as possible and I'm not afraid to say if I think something is too much, even if it makes me look like a nosey bastard. I'll say what I have to say to get the thought in the persons mind about how moderation, is a great thing even if they don't care if they die tommorrow. So long as I say that, I feel like I tried helping and it makes me feel better to know that I at least tried to help someone out. My words on moderation are meant to be positive whether you agree with my words or not. Now i've said my piece and i'll leave you to your devices. But you asked for advice so I gave mine.

Most of that is perfectly understandable for the average gym rat steroid user, however I am not, my goals are much larger, I am trying to get my pro card

shithead

29-08-2008, 07:28 PM

Ahhh fvck it, stick with your original plan and 1000mg cytadren and in the last week add 40mg Lasix IV. LOL

What about my advice, this is solid advice. ^

Blitz-Test

29-08-2008, 07:29 PM

And after reading your present posts, i'm no small guy either. Check MN out if you like, I'm 6`2, 270pounds. My cycles max out at 400mg of test a week. That's it thats all.

No other compounds?

I am not as tall and dont weigh as much but I hold a 12% right now...

If you can get to a 270 build without being above 16% bf on just 400mg/week of test thats great, you should try upping the dose and well see you next to dexter and wolf

Blitz-Test

29-08-2008, 07:31 PM

What about my advice, this is solid advice. ^

Because I mentioned the use of inhibitors or a diuretic right?

shithead

29-08-2008, 07:34 PM

Its not good advice bro, whatever ya do; dont listen to anything I say.

BDH

29-08-2008, 07:40 PM

So, Blitz, why not give me your stats, cycle history, etc... maybe then I might be able to give you constructive criticism... without it, all I know is to recommend moderation, much like GEO did. And I will also back him up... he might not be the most experienced with AAS in high doses, but you can be sure he will NEVER steer you wrong or give shoddy advice...

Blitz-Test

29-08-2008, 07:54 PM

I already gave my cycle history, not to long but good stuff, right now im about 5'11 235ishlb 12%

MuSuLPhReAk

30-08-2008, 03:54 AM

Rrrrolla

30-08-2008, 06:00 AM

I like the cycle, except for the dnp and the lack of gh. If you are serious about your goal, then you are probably going to need gh and lots of it, to be a massive freak and win the Canada's. I am making some great gains this year and dropping fat very quickly now that I have jumped on the gh bandwagon. I see no benefit to dropping bf% if you are not planning to do a show. Why waste valuable grow time to cut? You shold be able to tell what your weak areas are at 12% BF. Can you post some pics? Maybe it is onvious where you need extra work.

Blitz-Test

30-08-2008, 12:15 PM

Ok, I'll chime in. I have experience with large cycles, small cycles, long cycles, short cycles. My best results were from moderate cycles but for longer periods of time. Tren acrtate is my favorite aas and my body reacts from it the best at 50-75mg/ed. Done it for 11 weeks straight with no sides. Tren enathate is the devil for me on the other hand.

Dnp will always be a no no for me. Who was it....3Vandoo (a canadian on the canadian bb boards) that had good results from dnp but it ****ed up his eyes. Over the 9 years i've been on bodybuilding forums, I have heard of at least a handful of deaths from dnp. So I always have and always will say no to that drug.

And last thing I can add, I saw totally no difference between 750mgs of test a week compared to over 1g+ of test a week. 500mgs I find too low for me. But I just didn't jump to 750mgs. I increased my dosage over the years.

Hope that helps.

Thanks, I went from 500mg-500mg-600mg-700mg-Now im thinking either 625mg or 800ishmg

What was your negative with tren enanthate?

Blitz-Test

30-08-2008, 12:17 PM

Bigtred

30-08-2008, 04:53 PM

Ok, so I'm assuming you've never used DNP before, right? So what exactly do you think you will get from 200mg's a week for 3 weeks?

I have used DNP several times and it's a very tricky drug. Small doses like 200mg will barely give any results to most people (nowhere near the 80% increase that you spoke of) So naturally, most people up the dose, this is where the shit hits the fan. DNP has a long half life, so you up the dose until you start to feel it, then when you think you've had enough you lower or cut it BUT it's still in you for another 48 hours or so......See where I'm coming from?

My advice to you is go ahead and try the DNP @ 200mg's ( you seem like you will anyway) JUST don't up the dose, (and again, you probably will anyway) so if you do up the dose, up it in SMALL increments and wait 48hrs to 72hrs at least before upping again...

Hopefully you will be intelligent to know that DNP does not do everything like you may have heard. It's very effective at higher doses BUT that's also where the danger comes in. At low doses it's no more effective than clen/ECA

good luck, be smart

bigdaddydrew123

30-08-2008, 05:14 PM

alright ill get in on this one, why not see how you respond to diet and safer thermogenics,all the stuff ive taken wouldnt do shit without the solid contest diet,dnp never tried never will,no need to.forget the anadrol tren kidney stuff, true or not ,thats a feel like shit combo ,then add diet and dnp,stay away from people. i agree with musclehead best gains are made on longer moderate dose cycles,double doses doesnt double gains.tnt will keep your size while dieting ,best combo there is .tbol or anavar or winnie better addition than drol thatll obscure definition your after.if you do dnp be careful.nothing worse than making a mistake that can kill you.why risk that just to see what you look like,doesnt make sense.good luck anyway

phatkid77

30-08-2008, 05:47 PM

first off...GEO...your not 270lbs....lol, must be 6'5"

my reading, and eyes tell me ITS NOT THE DOSE.... you HAVE to be consistent with the DIET and training,

you say your young and cant afford GH (likely a good thing...maybe when u plateau and are prepping for the nationals)...how old are you? are you eating properly, thats the most expensive thing...almost as much as GH really.,,

i know someone that was on 3gm of gear before and looks better on just over 1g now... back in the "day" i took LOADs....800MG ENANTHATE and a bombs and whatever else...i still looked like shit... i look better on HRT and 150mg week.....why? .......DIET AND EXCERSIZE

have you done a show? i hope so, cause if you want to be pro, and not competed....thats kinda funny, get in the trenches, see if u like it..

if serious...HIRE SOMEONE TO DO THE THINKING FOR YOU, training/diet/drugs

i too would like to see a pic or two

phats

tex

30-08-2008, 06:21 PM

if serious...HIRE SOMEONE TO DO THE THINKING FOR YOU, training/diet/drugs

phats

good advice

guest

30-08-2008, 08:02 PM

liar! you say you are 6'1 in the MN log. which is it? hey? huh? pants on fire.....lol.

phatkid77

30-08-2008, 09:52 PM

actually, u do look bigger on my home puter, i was at work earlier...

wrought

31-08-2008, 08:29 PM

Dnp will always be a no no for me. Who was it....3Vandoo (a canadian on the canadian bb boards) that had good results from dnp but it ****ed up his eyes. Over the 9 years i've been on bodybuilding forums, I have heard of at least a handful of deaths from dnp. So I always have and always will say no to that drug.

And last thing I can add, I saw totally no difference between 750mgs of test a week compared to over 1g+ of test a week. 500mgs I find too low for me. But I just didn't jump to 750mgs. I increased my dosage over the years.

Hope that helps.

....think it might have been 3V who got the yellow eyes from it, but damn, that was a long time ago. lol, maybe next year is when dnp_guru gets out so we will start to see 5 threads a day about it though although I'm sure Blitz will keep us posted. ;)

Blitz....I'm all about setting high goals, but talking about a pro card before you win a couple of provincial shows and place top 3 in HW or SHW at nationals is just blowing smoke.

Test @ 750, TrenE @ 400, forget the DNP, get your diet nailed down and you can put on some muscle while leaning out. Cheers.

JonnyO

01-09-2008, 01:10 AM

What negatives dnp has at a dose of 200mg

Well for one it may be just enough to kill you. Everybody has a different tolerance level, and no it has nothing to do with a persons bodyweight either. I was in the mid 250s when I ran it, oh BTW 3 weeks on DNP is WAY too long, and 200mg had me sweating day and night. My friend who was a middle weight could handle 600mg with no problems. Also you dont know who made the DNP and how can you put 100% trust in them that its correctly dosed and not OVERdosed?

how do you plan to run the DNP and what supplements are you going to use to help with the side effects that are pretty much guaranteed?

As for the rest of the cycle I see nothing wrong with it. I'm running Anadrol and Parabolan right now and have no issues. My BP is in check as well. But bro I would rather consider using Clen instead of the DNP because that shit will seriously make you miserable on it. It isnt fun, your workouts suffer, you smell and perspire non-stop 24/7. For what its worth it isnt worth it. They say it clean or refreshes the androgen receptors, I dont buy into it. But coming from someone whos ran it a few times, there are better alternatives with equal reslults.

Oh and BTW, you'll prolly find more informed people on this board than over at BB.com LOL, I almost spat out my food when I read that from laughing.

JonnyO

01-09-2008, 01:21 AM

Oh and also dont set your sights so high right now bro, you havent competed before, and to think right now that you want to get a pro card is very naive.

Why dont you post some pictures and those that have a good eye can give some advise whether you have potential to go very far in this sport.

Blitz-Test

02-09-2008, 09:36 PM

If i do use dnp,

I will first be drinking even more water then normal...

I will eat fruit at everymeal to help with lethargy also juicey fruits to also help with water intake

I will be using glycerol to help my muscles retain water once again to reduce dehydration...

I will increase my vits mainly c and e to use as antioxidants, also NAC for its antioxidizing properties

I will use a magnesium supplement to increases atp function to increase energy

BDH

02-09-2008, 09:41 PM

Post some pics bro...

fathead

03-09-2008, 12:29 AM

guest

03-09-2008, 02:31 AM

you may get better cutting results by avoiding fruits/sugars than using dnp...

no doubt.

Blitz-Test

04-09-2008, 08:46 AM

you may get better cutting results by avoiding fruits/sugars than using dnp...

lol do you know what dnp is? You could do a perfect diet for 3 months and it sitll wouldn't get you the results of 3 weeks of low dose dnp....

BDH

04-09-2008, 10:22 AM

Post some pics...

xxSCHiSMxx

04-09-2008, 12:41 PM

Post some pics...
+1

GTZ3

04-09-2008, 06:56 PM

Post some pics...

no doubt. Bluffs called ... let see it bro.

fathead

04-09-2008, 09:07 PM

lol do you know what dnp is? You could do a perfect diet for 3 months and it sitll wouldn't get you the results of 3 weeks of low dose dnp....

i recall you saying you were about 13% (correct me if im wrong), a 3 month diet if designed and followed properly will get you to the 8% you wish to acheive in order to see your imbalances or whatever.

i dont see why youd do dnp and eat fruit to get to the same place

guest

04-09-2008, 10:25 PM

ah, a conundrum....wanting to respond to fathead but not wanting to post pics....what to do?

physique

04-09-2008, 10:59 PM

if your diet is so good and your cardio is in check why do dnp??????

also does anyone else, see that this is a young guy, looking for a easy way to get ripped? instead of doing the work?

i know blitz will take offense to this statement, but if u read this "ENTIRE" thread like i just did, it really looks like a snot nosed kid looking for the easy way out, instead of doing being disciplined and doing the work it takes.

IMO

oharad

05-09-2008, 10:49 AM

Blitz-Test

06-09-2008, 08:14 PM

i recall you saying you were about 13% (correct me if im wrong), a 3 month diet if designed and followed properly will get you to the 8% you wish to acheive in order to see your imbalances or whatever.

i dont see why youd do dnp and eat fruit to get to the same place

No 13 is right, its just I dont want the caloric deflict for that long leading to loss of muscle, that would be counter productive

ah, a conundrum....wanting to respond to fathead but not wanting to post pics....what to do?

I am not posting pictures sorry

fathead

06-09-2008, 10:16 PM

[QUOTE=Blitz-Test;47485]No 13 is right, its just I dont want the caloric deflict for that long leading to loss of muscle, that would be counter productive

dude, go on a diet and eat some anavar. youre not going to waste away cutting from 13-8% bf. any "expert" would tell you that. you also dont need to go on some sort of super calorie deficient starvation diet to lose a few pounds.

the anavar is a lot safer than dnp, and the sides of dnp are way more counter productive then "losing a little muscle mass".

the job you claim you are trying to accomplish is a thumb tack, why are you trying to hit it with a sledge hammer.

I drop 30-40lbs over about 6 months on a regular basis with no crazy dnp and i dont waste away, in fact im bigger every year. diet and cardio and a little gear is all i need and im way over 13% when i start!!!. you should be able to get where you want to quickly if you use a half decent diet and do some friggin exercise.

The Terminator

08-09-2008, 08:57 PM

What do you guys think of this cycle?

2,4-Dinitrophenol
Week 1-3 200mg/ed (May Increase Dose) MAR25

Testosterone Cypionate
Week 3-14 833mg/week (Split Mon/Thurs) JUN10

Trenbolone Enanthate
Week 3-12 400mg/week (Split Mon/Thurs) MAY27

Oxymetholone
Week 5-8 100mg/ed (Split Am/Pm) APR13

Cabergoline
Week 3-13 1mg/week (Split Mon/Thurs) JUN3

I might not use Oxymetholone and I might swap it out for Oral Tbol, 40-80mg/ed same duration or a bit longer

Height/Weight/Bodyfat/Cycle history?

I'm not predisposed to say anything is overtly dangerous or foolish. We all know that everyone is affected differently by different compounds.

For instance, I'm on my second cycle, and I'm running Tren Ace at 420mg/week, my first 4 weeks of it were 315 mg/week. If all goes well over the next 4 weeks, I'll be bumping it up to 560mg/week for the remainder of the cycle.

However, for any of us to really give you much more info, we'd need answers to my first statement.

Matt

BDH

09-09-2008, 01:58 AM

Your 2nd cycle consists of almost 600mg/wk of Tren??? Talk about overkill, dude... if all goes well at 420, why bump it up?

JonnyO

09-09-2008, 06:30 PM

No 13 is right, its just I dont want the caloric deflict for that long leading to loss of muscle, that would be counter productive

13% at what height and weight? You said you dont want to get too low bodyfat, just lean up a bit first right? Well then you arent going to lose muscle if thats your goal. Maybe you should brush up on your nutrition instead of all the drugs!

The Terminator

10-09-2008, 12:47 PM

Your 2nd cycle consists of almost 600mg/wk of Tren??? Talk about overkill, dude... if all goes well at 420, why bump it up?

Just an experiment. Some can't handle tren, some can. I've been great on 315, and since ace is such a short half life, I'm going for bump it to see how I react.

Bear in mind that I'm cutting, and I approach this from a different perspective than most people that cycle. I'm trying to learn more about how tren works in regards to how it causes more direct fat loss than other compounds on a cut.

Matt

JonnyO

10-09-2008, 01:40 PM

Tren has a direct effect on fat loss?

guest

10-09-2008, 03:46 PM

its sad how many recreational bodybuilders are overdosing and intoxicating themselves.

BDH

10-09-2008, 04:10 PM

Sorry, Matt... but "experimenting" with dangerously high doses is something normally reserved for seasoned veterans... it's your body, but I still wouldn't recommend it...

Shit, I've been on AAS on and off for almost 20 years now and have NEVER managed to take that much Tren... and never would...

I would much rather add a 2nd compound and keep the mgs lower on both....

The Terminator

11-09-2008, 01:02 AM

Tren has a direct effect on fat loss?

That's what I'm researching. So far I've seen a 1.5 degree increase in BBT over 5 weeks. 1 degree was due to Tren, and another .5 degrees with clen added in.

The interesting thing is the effect that most people get from Tren is a "leaning" effect, where either cutting or bulking results in muscle gain and fat loss, even if there is no change in diet. This can be attributed to increased metabolism from the increase in BBT.

This works in favor of people who are cutting since they are most likely trying to lean out, and still eat the same amount of calories without taking into consideration the increase in metabolism. People who are bulking experience the same effect but with more muscle gain. The interesting thing is in theory, the person taking Tren on a bulking cycle should actually increase their caloric intake another 5% over what their original diet called for, so that they can counter the effects of raised metabolism.

That's where the "fat loss" or "leaning" effect comes from, at least from what I've been experiencing and reading up on.

its sad how many recreational bodybuilders are overdosing and intoxicating themselves.

If that's directed at me, I agree to a point. Tren is one of the few steroids where more can be better based on results. But this depends on the person's ability to withstand side effects from Tren.

For instance, most people who use Tren for the first time experience loss of sleep, aggression (possibly due to lack of sleep), night sweats, headaches, increased blood pressure, Tren cough - and more. However, my experience has been very positive. I've only had weird dreams, a couple of nights worth of night sweats, and a small increase in blood pressure.

Most people have a threshold that they can reach on Tren, and I'm looking to see where that is for myself. I've talked to many veterans on other boards that can only handle 300mg/week, and some up to 900mg/week.

I'm not shooting for 900mg/week, I think that would be overkill. However, with Tren at 525mg/week if I get to that I'd be in the upper range. I'm still going to track all of my numbers as well as continue to see what happens on this cut. So far Test P + Tren Ace + Clen = great fat loss with good strength and a clear mind.

Sorry, Matt... but "experimenting" with dangerously high doses is something normally reserved for seasoned veterans... it's your body, but I still wouldn't recommend it...

Shit, I've been on AAS on and off for almost 20 years now and have NEVER managed to take that much Tren... and never would...

I would much rather add a 2nd compound and keep the mgs lower on both....

I know it's not recommended, and I appreciate the concern. However, as you said, it's my body. I'm not looking to say, "Look at me! I took craploads of Tren!", but I do want to find my thresh hold for it. 525mg/week with be the highest I would go in this cycle, but that depends on whether everything looks fine or not.

I'm going to make another post regarding more of my Tren findings, as there's a lot of people who are too afraid of this one due to the bad experiences of a few people. Since I can easily make Test P and Tren myself, I will likely be using them both in all future cycles since it's cheap, and very effective.

Matt

BDH

11-09-2008, 07:09 AM

The Terminator

11-09-2008, 10:59 AM

Well, Matt... you do sound very educated on the subject... I wish you the best...

My only problem is the fact that you are "trying to find your threshold for it"... most people who have experimented like this ended up ODing (rec drugs of course)... I just hope the adverse effects dont kick you in the balls when all your "experiments" are done...

Me too brother. :D

What I mean by finding the threshold is finding the point where the negatives sides outweigh the positive effects. That's a different point for each person.

As far as sounding/being educated on topics like this, I'm not the average beginner in any sense. I've spent the last 3.x years doing my research, not a couple of weeks like most people. That's why you haven't seen threads started by me asking beginner questions on any topic. ;)

Not to say I know it all, but if I don't, I know where to find the answers. :D

Matt

guest

11-09-2008, 12:11 PM

If that's directed at me, I agree to a point.

Matt

no it was not personally directed at you. it was just an observation. IMO too many people are taking ridiculous and unnecessary amounts of gear. as a relative old timer, i see guys polluting themselves with copious amounts of sauce, only to be sporting a physique that could have been achieved on as little as 250mg of cyp every 5 days and 25mg dbol ED. proper diet and training included of course. the 'more is better' attitude has commonly prevailed and i think it may eventually contribute to the AAS community's downfall.

The Terminator

11-09-2008, 12:28 PM

no it was not personally directed at you. it was just an observation. IMO too many people are taking ridiculous and unnecessary amounts of gear. as a relative old timer, i see guys polluting themselves with copious amounts of sauce, only to be sporting a physique that could have been achieved on as little as 250mg of cyp every 5 days and 25mg dbol ED. proper diet and training included of course. the 'more is better' attitude has commonly prevailed and i think it may eventually contribute to the AAS community's downfall.

I hear ya. Some of the stacks that I see are just insane where people are adding 6 or 7 compounds together. I think the most I will ever go with will be 3 compounds, which would be 2 injectables and one oral. I see no point in anything more than that.

With that said, I know what I'm doing sounds a bit overboard, but I can assure you that I'm on par with everything else for diet, weights, and cardio. At least I was until a couple of days ago when I pinched a nerve in my upper left trap, now I'm just relying on diet alone, as I can't work my shoulder yet. I'm on cyclobenzaprine, Tylenol 3's, and Gabapentin to try to get this fixed up. If it doesn't fix in a week, then I'm off to the doctors again to get a CT scan, and will have to PCT. I don't want to have to do that yet...

Matt

gojimmygo

11-09-2008, 01:19 PM

no it was not personally directed at you. it was just an observation. IMO too many people are taking ridiculous and unnecessary amounts of gear. as a relative old timer, i see guys polluting themselves with copious amounts of sauce, only to be sporting a physique that could have been achieved on as little as 250mg of cyp every 5 days and 25mg dbol ED. proper diet and training included of course. the 'more is better' attitude has commonly prevailed and i think it may eventually contribute to the AAS community's downfall.

Very good post. The mentality is "up the dose" instead of "eat food".How many times do you read about people "gaining 20+ pounds" on their eighth cycle. Why aren't they 400 pounds by now.Because all there doing is gaining and losing 20 pounds each time because they forgot to eat right. What a waste. Anyways sorry to hi-jack Matt and I'm not referring to you at all here as it sounds as though you do plan things out.
Jimmy

The Terminator

11-09-2008, 03:27 PM

Very good post. The mentality is "up the dose" instead of "eat food".How many times do you read about people "gaining 20+ pounds" on their eighth cycle. Why aren't they 400 pounds by now.Because all there doing is gaining and losing 20 pounds each time because they forgot to eat right. What a waste. Anyways sorry to hi-jack Matt and I'm not referring to you at all here as it sounds as though you do plan things out.
Jimmy

Hence why people really need to do their research before using AAS. And I don't mean just researching AAS, but dieting methods, training, and how to make the most gains naturally. I was able to achieve 205lbs of lean mass naturally, but my issue has always been getting cut. I embarked on using AAS to help keep my mood and muscle up while cutting, as well as to rehab some injuries I received last year from falling off of a horse twice in a day. which put one wrist in a cast for 4 months, as well as caused damage to other joints in my body. My method and reasoning has been successful for me so far. I've also increased my lean mass from the 205 mark to 219 as of last week, while cutting.

When the time comes for my first lean bulking cycle, you can bet that it'll be 3 compounds - Test, Deca or Tren, and dbol. It's likely that I'll stick to the Test P and Tren Ace since I can home brew it, and sode it according to how I want it. And sure as hell I'll be hitting the weights harder than ever with adequate rest, as well as eating the right amount of food to make me grow but in a lean fashion.

To cap my post off, I had a friend at work who decided to hop on a cycle. He weight 155 when he started, and was my height. He ended at about 170 ish, and was using Test E and Masteron. I told him that adding masteron into a bulking cycle was not needed, and would not do much. Best part was, the kid didn't know anything about anabolics, or even how to eat or train to make the gains the best. In fact, I had to talk him into doing a proper PCT.

Sure, he gained 15 lbs on cycle, but after? Shrinkage. It's too bad, since he could have gained that much naturally over 6 months if he had talked to me or another like me who could have gotten him to train and eat properly for gains. I made him promise me that if he ever wants to do another cycle that he'll contact me first so he can prep for it, as well as prime properly for it, but only after he gains some natural weight first.

Matt

giannos

17-09-2008, 04:42 PM

Honestly it may be out of the ordinary on this board but it is very standard on places like bb.com

The reason for that is there is nothing but lazy dieter's on BB.com and people always looking for the easy way out. I know, I hang there allot. You got bro's giving DNP to their girlfriends and wives, its just retarded.. I am surprised allot more people haven't died yet..

Other than the obvious risks allot of people seem to ignore the risk if cancer.

Copy/Paste

Carcinogenesis - Phenols in general are reputed to be carcinogenic. Although 2,4-dinitrophenol has never been implicated in a cancer diagnosis, some are nonetheless concerned, and understandably so. In addition to the inherent carcinogenic potential caused by its status as a phenol, production of free radicals and the release of various compounds stored in adipose tissue stores during DNP's rapid oxidation of fat may also potentially be harmful.

The problem with DNP is the VARIANCE in purity from source to source. 300mg might be fine from source A, but from source B at 300mg; you would cook from the inside out.

Its not like the quality is controlled.

X1000000000 This is what would scare the shit out of me.. One mistake by the chemist in dosing and your dead... Nah, I'll pass....