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20-08-2008, 09:24 PM
Salute the Danish Flag - It's a Symbol of Western Freedom
by Susan MacAllen


In 1978-9 I was living and studying in Denmark . But in 1978 - even in Copenhagen - one didn't see Muslim immigrants.

The Danish population embraced visitors, celebrated the exotic, went out of its way to protect each of its citizens. It was proud of its new brand of socialist liberalism - one in development since the conservatives had lost power in 1929 - a system where no worker had to struggle to survive, where one ultimately could count upon the state as in, perhaps, no other western nation at the time.

The rest of Europe saw the Scandinavians as free-thinking, progressive and infinitely generous in their welfare policies. Denmark boasted low crime rates, devotion to the environment, a superior educational system and a history of humanitarianism.

Denmark was also most generous in its immigration policies - it offered the best welcome in Europe to the new immigrant: generous welfare payments from first arrival plus additional perks in transportation, housing and education. It was determined to set a world example for inclusiveness and multiculturalism.

How could it have predicted that one day in 2005 a series of political cartoons in a newspaper would spark violence that would leave dozens dead in the streets - all because its commitment to multiculturalism would come back to bite?

By the 1990's the growing urban Muslim population was obvious - and its unwillingness to integrate into Danish society was obvious.Years of immigrants had settled into Muslim-exclusive enclaves. As the Muslim leadership became more vocal about what they considered the decadence of Denmark 's liberal way of life, the Danes - once so welcoming - began to feel slighted. Many Danes had begun to see Islam as incompatible with their long-standing values: belief in personal liberty and free speech, in equality for women, in tolerance for other ethnic groups, and a deep pride in Danish heritage and history.


The New York Post in 2002 ran an article by Daniel Pipes and Lars Hedegaard, in which they forecasted accurately that the growing immigrant problem in Denmark would explode. In the article they reported:

"Muslim immigrants constitute 5 percent of the population but consume upwards of 40 percent of the welfare spending ...
Muslims are only 4 percent of Denmark's 5.4 million people but make up a majority of the country's convicted rapists, an especially combustible issue given that practically all the female victims are non-Muslim. Similar, if lesser, disproportions are found in other crimes. Over time, as Muslim immigrants increase in numbers, they wish less to mix with the indigenous population."

"A recent survey finds that only 5 percent of young Muslim immigrants would readily marry a Dane. Forced marriages - promising a newborn daughter in Denmark to a male cousin in the home country, then compelling her to marry him, sometimes on pain of death - are one problem."

"Muslim leaders openly declare their goal of introducing Islamic law once Denmark 's Muslim population grows large enough - a
not-that-remote prospect. If present trends persist, one sociologist estimates, every third inhabitant of Denmark in 40 years will be Muslim."

It is easy to understand why a growing number of Danes would feel that Muslim immigrants show little respect for Danish values and laws. An example is the phenomenon common to other European countries and the U.S.: some Muslims in Denmark who opted to leave the Muslim faith have been murdered in the name of Islam, while others hide in fear for their lives. Jews are also threatened and harassed openly by Muslim leaders in Denmark, a country where once Christian citizens worked to smuggle out nearly all of their 7,000 Jews by night to Sweden - before the Nazis could invade. I think of my Danish friend Elsa - who as a teenager had dreaded crossing the street to the bakery every morning under the eyes of occupying Nazi soldiers - and I wonder what she would say today.

In 2001, Denmark elected the most conservative government in some 70 years - one that had some decidedly non-generous ideas about liberal unfettered immigration. Today Denmark has the strictest immigration policies in Europe . (Its effort to protect itself has been met with accusations of "racism" by liberal media across Europe - even as other governments struggle to right the social problems wrought by years of too-lax immigration.)

If you wish to become Danish, you must attend three years of language classes. You must pass a test on Denmark 's history, culture, and a Danish language test. You must live in Denmark for 7 years before applying for citizenship. You must demonstrate an intent to work, and have a job waiting. If you wish to bring a spouse into Denmark, you must both be over 24 years of age, and you won't find it so easy anymore to move your friends and family to Denmark with you. You will not be allowed to build a mosque in Copenhagen. Although your children have a choice of some 30 Arabic culture and language schools in Denmark, they will be strongly encouraged to assimilate to Danish society in ways that past immigrants weren't.

In 2006, the Danish minister for employment, Claus Hjort Frederiksen, spoke publicly of the burden of Muslim immigrants on the Danish welfare system, and it was horrifying: the government's welfare committee had calculated that if immigration from Third World countries were blocked, 75 percent of the cuts needed to sustain the huge welfare system in coming decades would be unnecessary. In other words, the welfare system as it existed was being exploited by immigrants to the point of eventually bankrupting the government. "We are simply forced to adopt a new policy on immigration. The calculations of the welfare committee are terrifying and show how unsuccessful the integration of immigrants has been up to now," he said.

A large thorn in the side of Denmark's imams is the Minister of Immigration and Integration, Rikke Hvilshoj. She makes no bones about the new policy toward immigration, "The number of foreigners coming to the country makes a difference," Hvilshøj says. "There is an inverse correlation between how many come here and how well we can receive the foreigners that come." And on Muslim immigrants needing to demonstrate a willingness to blend in, "In my view, Denmark should be a country with room for different cultures and religions. Some values, however, are more important than others. We refuse to question democracy, equal rights, and freedom of speech."

Hvilshoj has paid a price for her show of backbone. Perhaps to test her resolve, the leading radical imam in Denmark, Ahmed Abdel Rahman Abu Laban, demanded that the government pay blood money to the family of a Muslim who was murdered in a suburb of Copenhagen, stating that the family's thirst for revenge could be thwarted for money. When Hvilshoj dismissed his demand, he argued that in Muslim culture the payment of retribution money was common, to which Hvilshoj replied that what is done in a Muslim country is not necessarily what is done in Denmark. The Muslim reply came soon after: her house was torched while she, her husband and children slept. All managed to escape unharmed, but she and her family were moved to a secret location and she and other ministers were assigned bodyguards for the first time - in a country where such murderous violence was once so scarce.

Her government has slid to the right, and her borders have tightened. Many believe that what happens in the next decade will determine whether Denmark survives as a bastion of good living, humane thinking and social responsibility, or whether it becomes a nation at civil war with supporters of Sharia law.

And meanwhile, Americans and Canadians clamor for stricter immigration policies, and demand an end to state welfare programs that allow many immigrants to live on the public dole. As we in America look at the enclaves of Muslims amongst us, and see those who enter our shores too easily, dare live on our taxes, yet refuse to embrace our culture, respect our traditions, participate in our legal system, obey our laws, speak our language, appreciate our history. . .we would do well to look to Denmark, and say a prayer for her future and for our own.

guest
20-08-2008, 10:12 PM
i think that is great. anyone who comes to another's country too shit on it can eat a dick....or bullet for all i care.

RagingRandy
20-08-2008, 10:30 PM
The problem is that if you disagree with a certain group of people you are labeled intolerant. I for one believe there are things we should not tolerate.

People immigrating to another country should be doing so to better themselves and the country they are moving to. I agree with strict immigration laws\requirements. Canada gives people Residence status as soon as they get here. At least the US has a 2 year period where the person can be deported if it is found they are not a positive addition to society. I see nothing wrong with the requirements Denmark has imposed. I wish Canada would do the same.

O-Train
21-08-2008, 12:10 AM
I'm kind of tired of people getting special treatment because they are part of a "visable minority". I have found a lot of people labelled as being part of a minority are the most intolerant of all. Canada should definitely have stricter immigration laws. Although I don't see immigrants as a drain on our economy like in Denmark.

On a side not Islamic extremism worries me. Kind of like what Patton said about the Russians after defeating the Nazis in WWII. It's only a matter of time.

gojimmygo
21-08-2008, 10:59 AM
What I don't understand is alot of these immigrants leave their shithole countries because life facking sucks there but yet they want to bring that way of life with them wherever they go.Fawking brutal.
Jimmy

The Terminator
21-08-2008, 12:12 PM
I'm kind of tired of people getting special treatment because they are part of a "visable minority". I have found a lot of people labelled as being part of a minority are the most intolerant of all.

Amen brother.

"Are you Human"?

"Yes".

"Then I don't give a flying f*** about your skin color or your religion. What I do care about is how you treat other people, women, children, and what you can positively bring to society".

Yup, that pretty much sums it up for me.

As well, if people are wanting to immigrate to another country and bring their beliefs with them, that's fine with me. What isn't fine with me is if the country that they are bringing their beliefs with are a total polar opposite from their own, and they expect the new country of residence to bend over backwards for them to keep them there. Assimilate yourself, or go somewhere else.

I'm a Christian, and I wouldn't move to a Muslim country and expect them to bend over backwards for me and respect my personal freedoms and ideals. Why? I know they wouldn't. As soon as I took a Bible out to read to myself I'd be a dead man, and they would claim I was trying to convert them so it was "self defense". My body would be dragged all around the village, and then I'd end up beheaded and my head would end up on a pole.

Nope, I'll stick to like minded countries that truly respect personal freedoms.

Matt

PS - I think some of that was the Tren talking...

Bowlcut
21-08-2008, 10:19 PM
The problems experienced by countries like the UK and Denmark are coming to our shores within a decade.

The best immigrants we have are the ones who want nothing else but to work hard and provide a better life for their children, but for complex reasons immigration is no longer working like it used as many educated ones have a hard time with their recognition of credentials.

With diminishing resources, especially highlighted by Environment Canada's latest report regarding fresh water one has to wonder why we would want more people in this country.

Unfortunately the politically correct ruling elite of this country prevents us from even having an honest and logical debate about the issue.

guest
22-08-2008, 04:27 PM
Amen brother.

"Are you Human"?

"Yes".

"Then I don't give a flying f*** about your skin color or your religion. What I do care about is how you treat other people, women, children, and what you can positively bring to society".

Yup, that pretty much sums it up for me.

As well, if people are wanting to immigrate to another country and bring their beliefs with them, that's fine with me. What isn't fine with me is if the country that they are bringing their beliefs with are a total polar opposite from their own, and they expect the new country of residence to bend over backwards for them to keep them there. Assimilate yourself, or go somewhere else.

I'm a Christian, and I wouldn't move to a Muslim country and expect them to bend over backwards for me and respect my personal freedoms and ideals. Why? I know they wouldn't. As soon as I took a Bible out to read to myself I'd be a dead man, and they would claim I was trying to convert them so it was "self defense". My body would be dragged all around the village, and then I'd end up beheaded and my head would end up on a pole.

Nope, I'll stick to like minded countries that truly respect personal freedoms.

Matt

PS - I think some of that was the Tren talking...

damn skippy.

Mr Ontario
22-08-2008, 05:57 PM
I had a guy tenant once and he told me about how his parents came here....and didn't like to pay taxes on what they made as hair dressers etc.. So they cheat the system...didn't claim squat etc...until the income tax people clued into what they were doing...caught them in lie etc...Now there moving back as they can't get away with as much as they used too....by using the system. They were vateimese. Also the guy was into selling fake hand bags.

Mr Ontario
22-08-2008, 05:58 PM
Your gay!


i think that is great. anyone who comes to another's country too shit on it can eat a dick....or bullet for all i care.

GSNALTA
22-08-2008, 07:27 PM
I dont have a racist bone in my body,but i work with alot of people that have been in Canada for 10+ years but they still have terrible english.If i made another country my new home i would make the language a way of life too.

Bowlcut
22-08-2008, 08:18 PM
I dont have a racist bone in my body,but i work with alot of people that have been in Canada for 10+ years but they still have terrible english.If i made another country my new home i would make the language a way of life too.

Racism is an anachronistic belief that somehow skin color is going to determine the behaviour or intelligence of an individual based upon a collect view of the group.
Saying that people need to improve their language skills in order to function properly within our society is no where near racist. If any of us moved to another country and did not make an effort to learn their language they would probably be annoyed too. If we moved to Saudi Arabia and said bikinis were part of our culture and our women have to wear them we would be laughed at, but here because we believe in liberty we will let people deprive themselves of it by choice.