View Full Version : Saizen Somatropin with Spanish label. Anyone using these?
td1111
19-08-2008, 04:07 PM
I came across some 15iu vials of Saizen Somatropin with Spanish labelling, possibly Mexican? I switched to this from Kefei at 3iu/day. I get less sides, if any at all from it, and was wondering if anyone else is running this and what kind of results you are noticing from it? Is it genuine?
Stonewald Rockwater
19-08-2008, 05:28 PM
ive heard nothing good.
fathead
19-08-2008, 05:33 PM
hoping im not creating any beef, but as far as i know those kits are bogus. what i mean by bogus is that they are not genuine saizen kits. However, some people claim they good results from them, so my best guess is they are repackaged generic gh powder.
personally i wouldnt knowingly use anything that was counterfeited out of principle but thats me and some like these kits.
Stonewald Rockwater
19-08-2008, 05:36 PM
oh yeah, thats what it is. generics. there is a ton around. same as hcg gh.
Mr Ontario
19-08-2008, 07:42 PM
Yup! Spanish writing = Fake GH or at least they are not pharmacy Saizen.
Big D
20-08-2008, 08:14 AM
hey flexy did anyone ever telll you, your sexy :lick
Average 270lb Guy
22-08-2008, 07:31 PM
They are absolutely repackaged - how can you tell... first the boxes and security sticker look great. Open it up and you find an insert completely in english - yet there isn't one word of english on the box. The labels on the vials peel off too easily and the green tops either are blank or say "flip off." They have been pretty good making sure that they don't get mixed together but the odd box will have both tops.
As for results I have gotten a lot of feedback even from the biggest skeptics - everyone is loving them. I have actually seen a couple guys drop inches off their waists over the last 1-2 months. I will also say that 75% of the guys are feeling the tingling hands and feet in the mornings.
Mr Ontario
22-08-2008, 08:10 PM
Ya..I think allot of people misunderstand what fake is or means...ie; most or all Vet products in Canada or fake.....look identical to the real thing....sure they work but all is in it underground test in it. So in essence your not buying what you pay for. Same for GH....if I paying for Human GH from pharmacy I want Human Gh...not re-packed generic GH.
Average 270lb Guy
23-08-2008, 03:53 PM
You can also tell they are generic because of the price. Real gh from a pharmacy will cost 2-3 times more than a generic, period. Unless your source is making a killing and charging huge amounts for it.
guest
23-08-2008, 04:13 PM
i know a couple of people using them and loving them. personally i am still using kefei but will likely have to switch when i run out.
i know a couple of people using them and loving them. personally i am still using kefei but will likely have to switch when i run out.
i concur
they are "fake"
but IMO work better than jins
yeah i said it
physique
01-09-2008, 01:59 PM
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01-09-2008, 01:59 PM
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Great looking pic thanks bro.
td1111
03-09-2008, 11:44 PM
I am not impressed with these. Nothing noticeable at 3 iu's at day for 3 weeks. I swtiched back to the last of my few Kefei's left, and got carpel sides in a hurry. When I run out, I suppose I'll have no choice but to run these Saizens at 5-7 iu and hope for some result. Wish I had had the $ to invest in extra stock of jins or kefeis when they were abundant.
Mr Ontario
04-09-2008, 09:04 AM
Post a pic of yours....unless there same ones as above? Thanks
I am not impressed with these. Nothing noticeable at 3 iu's at day for 3 weeks. I swtiched back to the last of my few Kefei's left, and got carpel sides in a hurry. When I run out, I suppose I'll have no choice but to run these Saizens at 5-7 iu and hope for some result. Wish I had had the $ to invest in extra stock of jins or kefeis when they were abundant.
xxSCHiSMxx
04-09-2008, 12:43 PM
Very nice pics, thanks.
td1111
04-09-2008, 01:32 PM
Post a pic of yours....unless there same ones as above? Thanks
Yes, mine are the same as those pictured.
Average 270lb Guy
05-09-2008, 02:06 AM
Just curious if you have picked up the proper water to use with this. A couple guys I know were in the same boat as you in that they were not impressed until I asked them what they water they were using. Guess what? Sterile water for injection doesn't cut it. It will work for the first shot, but after that nothing. And because it takes people 3-4 days to go through one vial, you need to make sure it is stable. Make sure you have bacterial static water with benzyl alcohol as a preservative.
Going to up my dose since the price is hot,going from 3ius to 6 ius,no joint pain,and i'm getting leaner.
BryanWilliams
27-09-2008, 11:19 PM
Going to up my dose since the price is hot,going from 3ius to 6 ius,no joint pain,and i'm getting leaner.
when did you get your kits if you dont mind me asking ?
recently id imagine ?
im on newer stuff and liking it as much as the REAL blue tops (which i liked better than real jins)
PUMPON
28-09-2008, 05:07 PM
Picked up one of ther saizen 240iu kits. Only a week on them. Same thing with these kits as the ones you guys are talking about. Not vac sealed and the powder is all loose and broken up not in a puck. My hands and wrists are a little sore same wityh my joints. I went straight into this off of the kefie and hcg gh so kinda weird the intial sides are back. I'm doing the same thing as smart tony though uping the dose and see what happens.
buffalo soldier
06-10-2008, 11:58 PM
i just picked up this same kit and started yesterday.
shithead
07-10-2008, 01:37 PM
Keep us updated fellas.
I managed to find one of these kits at a really good price. I thought it was real saizen at first and a buddy of mine said it was fake and its just HCG. So I bought a pregnancy test to test for HCG. The results were negative, these kits are definitely not HCG.
Also on the saizen pamphlet that is included in the kit, it says if you shake the reconstituted solution it will turn opalescent, well shake away cause nothing happens.
Im running about 3-4 iu per day. I will update as my GH cycle continues.
Mr Ontario
07-10-2008, 07:28 PM
Ya...not sure shaking the shit out of it lol is going to help the peptides lol Last time I checked your suppose to let the water dripple down the side of the vial. :)
Stonewald Rockwater
07-10-2008, 10:06 PM
good one dumb****
when did you get your kits if you dont mind me asking ?
recently id imagine ?
im on newer stuff and liking it as much as the REAL blue tops (which i liked better than real jins)
I picked it up last month.Just the last week my wrist is sore,carpel is starting to kick in,and its the same spot as it was before from the Kefei,will be going back down to 3iu,was up to 5iu.Would like to keep the dose high for more fat lose,but my diet isn't bang on.
Stonewald Rockwater
07-10-2008, 10:16 PM
I picked it up last month.Just the last week my wrist is sore,carpel is starting to kick in,and its the same spot as it was before from the Kefei,will be going back down to 3iu,was up to 5iu.Would like to keep the dose high for more fat lose,but my diet isn't bang on.
you would vouch on your mothers eyes that these are good?
you would vouch on your mothers eyes that these are good?
Ya i'm happy with the 150ui kit,and the reason i picked it up was because there wasn't any Kefei,plus i trust my rep 100%.Put it this way i had a problem with the tnt being very sore and he replaced them with two new tnt so how can i not be happy with him.Its up to you or anyone to get a Kit or not.
Stonewald Rockwater
07-10-2008, 10:34 PM
Ya i'm happy with the 150ui kit,shit i looked amazing doing my arms,and i have poor gens.People were checking out my Guns wish they would look like that all the time.It isn't Vacuum sealed the vails.On as side not i just picked up a Kefei again man i love GH.
why'd ya pick up blues if your liking the saizens?
why'd ya pick up blues if your liking the saizens?
They were a bit stronger.
Stonewald Rockwater
07-10-2008, 10:58 PM
but the saizens were cheaper, that should negate the strength bonus
i shook when there was only a little left. i didnt wanna waste the whole bottle. geez dudes.
IronMan
08-10-2008, 01:19 PM
Frikk I feel dumb now, I've been blasting the bateriostatic water into the vial with the slin pin and shaking it like a salt shakaaaaa. Will quit doing that now I know.
shithead
08-10-2008, 01:22 PM
Is that what it said to do in the insert?
Good to hear positive feedback.
Mr Ontario
08-10-2008, 02:40 PM
lol It should tell you something?
Is that what it said to do in the insert?
Good to hear positive feedback.
Mr Ontario
08-10-2008, 02:42 PM
How many times have I told you to check with me first lol :)
Frikk I feel dumb now, I've been blasting the bateriostatic water into the vial with the slin pin and shaking it like a salt shakaaaaa. Will quit doing that now I know.
The insert says swirl gently.
The majority of fake HGH can be identified by colored top (mostly blue top) vials, with printed ink that can be easily wiped off from the label. The text on the labels is usually in the Spanish language. Another way to test your vial is to rigorously shake it. The actual manufacturers of HGH (rDNA) such as Merck-EMD Serono & Eli Lilly, strongly state in their pamphlets, that their reconstituted vials can easily become cloudy if shaken too rigorously. The reason being is that HGH is a protein and Serono and Eli Lilly warn against injecting the cloudy substance. So if your vial does not become cloudy or stays cloudy after a violent shake, then you know you’ve been scammed.
taken from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saizen
Mr Ontario
08-10-2008, 02:46 PM
oh ya...my girlfriend says she wants to get a little lesbo action going with your girl. Let me know us know :)
Is that what it said to do in the insert?
Good to hear positive feedback.
Mr Ontario
08-10-2008, 02:48 PM
Agreeded on the Spanish label thing....if you can't read the box..stay away from it!
The insert says swirl gently.
The majority of fake HGH can be identified by colored top (mostly blue top) vials, with printed ink that can be easily wiped off from the label. The text on the labels is usually in the Spanish language. Another way to test your vial is to rigorously shake it. The actual manufacturers of HGH (rDNA) such as Merck-EMD Serono & Eli Lilly, strongly state in their pamphlets, that their reconstituted vials can easily become cloudy if shaken too rigorously. The reason being is that HGH is a protein and Serono and Eli Lilly warn against injecting the cloudy substance. So if your vial does not become cloudy or stays cloudy after a violent shake, then you know you’ve been scammed.
taken from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saizen
jake9669
21-10-2008, 10:04 PM
does someone know if the real saizen 5 mg is supossed to be in powderor in one compact white disk
jake9669
21-10-2008, 10:07 PM
fluffy powder vs compact disk whats fake, whats the real
Just posting an update on this GH. Used 7 bottles already 3 iu a day 5 days a week. Noticed fat loss, without dieting. Shit, this last month i havent been shopping cause ive been a lazy ass. Ive been eating pizza, chinese, mcdonalds, just tons of fast food. And im still relatively lean. Its grrrrreat.
physique
13-11-2008, 05:40 PM
Agreeded on the Spanish label thing....if you can't read the box..stay away from it!
too many haters on this site.
if people are getting results from products, then how can u say its a fake? it might be counterfeit, but there is obviously something inb the vials, as you cant argue with people's results. and some are coming from vets yet.
Stonewald Rockwater
13-11-2008, 06:16 PM
its freeze dried horse piss, may work for some ppl
its not horse piss per say its just 192aa that has been exposed to air
this stuff will work for a few months before the effects dwindle its not too bad considering ya get two kits for the prices of one just run dbl for thre months
^^How did you determine its 192aa? ive gotta buy another kit pretty soon here as i only have 45 iu's left. Should I find different GH? I don't wanna waste my money on bad shit.
Stonewald Rockwater
13-11-2008, 07:02 PM
its not bad shit but it is 192
typically 192aa is powder(not puck) and the body has a reaction to the injections(they get welts)
this will work fine for 4-8 weeks maybe longer-after doing research the lower dose is better as higher doses may only work for 4 weeks
physique
13-11-2008, 07:27 PM
i just posted a thread on the difference between 191aa and 192aa. and really there isnt at least from the info i dug up.
just says some might become immune to the effects of 192aa, but that is in a very small percentage of people that use it.
too many haters on this site.
if people are getting results from products, then how can u say its a fake? it might be counterfeit, but there is obviously something inb the vials, as you cant argue with people's results. and some are coming from vets yet.
Yep the 150ius are good will be getting a kit or two soon.
what kind of results have you got from these smart-tony? what was your dose like?
Praetorian
15-11-2008, 10:06 AM
Yep the 150ius are good will be getting a kit or two soon.
Proof using anecdotal evidence is very skeptical to say the least. The 240iu Saizen kits were complete bogus...not GH at all and many guys were buying them and saying how great they were. I ran 30iu per day for a week...not a single side...thats 100% bogus friends. Results from GH take time...alot of guys running it have little experience and really dont know what to look for either. Not to mention they are running a gamut of AAS maybe T3 and clen at the same time. Now i see 150iu Saizen around because no one will touch the 240's around here anymore. I would be very skeptical with those as well...especially when i see guys moving them and they say things like. "i can get all kinds of these...100 at a time no problem" anyone in the know understands its difficult to get quantity like that off the cuff. There are many good kits out there namely hardcore, blue top generic, red top generic, somatrophins, I now here Jins will be back as well. Serostim Pharm and Nutropin are also available. With all these why take a chance especially on something thats been faked already.
P
Mr Ontario
15-11-2008, 10:59 AM
Yup! if it's to good to be true then it is probably fake.
Proof using anecdotal evidence is very skeptical to say the least. The 240iu Saizen kits were complete bogus...not GH at all and many guys were buying them and saying how great they were. I ran 30iu per day for a week...not a single side...thats 100% bogus friends. Results from GH take time...alot of guys running it have little experience and really dont know what to look for either. Not to mention they are running a gamut of AAS maybe T3 and clen at the same time. Now i see 150iu Saizen around because no one will touch the 240's around here anymore. I would be very skeptical with those as well...especially when i see guys moving them and they say things like. "i can get all kinds of these...100 at a time no problem" anyone in the know understands its difficult to get quantity like that off the cuff. There are many good kits out there namely hardcore, blue top generic, red top generic, somatrophins, I now here Jins will be back as well. Serostim Pharm and Nutropin are also available. With all these why take a chance especially on something thats been faked already.
P
Proof using anecdotal evidence is very skeptical to say the least. The 240iu Saizen kits were complete bogus...not GH at all and many guys were buying them and saying how great they were. I ran 30iu per day for a week...not a single side...thats 100% bogus friends. Results from GH take time...alot of guys running it have little experience and really dont know what to look for either. Not to mention they are running a gamut of AAS maybe T3 and clen at the same time. Now i see 150iu Saizen around because no one will touch the 240's around here anymore. I would be very skeptical with those as well...especially when i see guys moving them and they say things like. "i can get all kinds of these...100 at a time no problem" anyone in the know understands its difficult to get quantity like that off the cuff. There are many good kits out there namely hardcore, blue top generic, red top generic, somatrophins, I now here Jins will be back as well. Serostim Pharm and Nutropin are also available. With all these why take a chance especially on something thats been faked already.
P
Ya the 240iu were fake.
what kind of results have you got from these smart-tony? what was your dose like?
I was on 3-4uis,my training partner was on 5ui bad carpel for the both of us.
Born2Juice4Ever
17-11-2008, 01:34 PM
Proof using anecdotal evidence is very skeptical to say the least. The 240iu Saizen kits were complete bogus...not GH at all and many guys were buying them and saying how great they were. I ran 30iu per day for a week...not a single side...thats 100% bogus friends. Results from GH take time...alot of guys running it have little experience and really dont know what to look for either. Not to mention they are running a gamut of AAS maybe T3 and clen at the same time. Now i see 150iu Saizen around because no one will touch the 240's around here anymore. I would be very skeptical with those as well...especially when i see guys moving them and they say things like. "i can get all kinds of these...100 at a time no problem" anyone in the know understands its difficult to get quantity like that off the cuff. There are many good kits out there namely hardcore, blue top generic, red top generic, somatrophins, I now here Jins will be back as well. Serostim Pharm and Nutropin are also available. With all these why take a chance especially on something thats been faked already.
P
Not just on this post, but as an over all, I find your stuff to be (posts) very good and accurate.
Keep it up!!
This is not rocket scientist stuff.
IMO: If the product is sold as something--i.e. primo, then I want primo and NOT test prop. Surely I will still yield some type of results while running test (which is by far LESS expensive than primo). I would hang the guy by his balls, if I ever discovered that he sold me test in a vial that CLEARLY indicates PRIMO.
Hey here is a neat idea: Why don't we start manufacturing bottles that contain IGF and sell them as GH hu? Many will vouch for fad shedding, and loss of water, better muscle texture..... Call me a a suck up, but I want REAL GH if the bottle says it is GH, and NOT be complaisant to IGF simply because I am getting "good results" or my buddy got good results.
If those who sell generic or knock off bottles, would be up front, I can assure you, that their honesty will pay off in the end. Honesty goes a long way in the juice world.
I don't mean to hit anybody on the head here, just advocating from a different perspective.
B2J
PUMPON
18-11-2008, 09:27 PM
From what i heard it's the same people doing the 150iu kits as it is the 240iu ones before them. I don't know how accurate that is but i do know i just finished one of the 240iu saizen kits today and i wasn't impressed with it. I think there was some gh in there whether it was 192 or 191 i couldn't tell but it felt underdosed and i didn't really feel anything unless i went to 10iu a day. I won't be buying anymore of that shit. Maybe this stuff works for some but even at the cheaper $$ this stuff is going for i would rather spend the extra and get some decent gh out of it then waste my money on this. That's the risk with gh though you get crap and your out quite a bit of money. It's not like picking up a vial of ug test and you don't care for it you just are out the money for one bottle. I regretted buying this kit from the second it arrived. The box was kind of beat up and the carton that holds the gh inside was cheaply made most of the vials were knocked around inside plus it just didn't look right the gh powder wasn't in a puck, it wasn't vac sealed it actually had the opposite affect as you were putting the bw water in the gh would try to force it's way out.I had to draw the air out from that point on before mixing.
Mr Ontario
18-11-2008, 09:40 PM
Ya..well how many times have we heard this..that these kits are no good.....maybe people will learn from past users as to what there saying...I know it's a crap shot...but if you hear these responses more then 5x or 6x times well you be the judge....
From what i heard it's the same people doing the 150iu kits as it is the 240iu ones before them. I don't know how accurate that is but i do know i just finished one of the 240iu saizen kits today and i wasn't impressed with it. I think there was some gh in there whether it was 192 or 191 i couldn't tell but it felt underdosed and i didn't really feel anything unless i went to 10iu a day. I won't be buying anymore of that shit. Maybe this stuff works for some but even at the cheaper $$ this stuff is going for i would rather spend the extra and get some decent gh out of it then waste my money on this. That's the risk with gh though you get crap and your out quite a bit of money. It's not like picking up a vial of ug test and you don't care for it you just are out the money for one bottle. I regretted buying this kit from the second it arrived. The box was kind of beat up and the carton that holds the gh inside was cheaply made most of the vials were knocked around inside plus it just didn't look right the gh powder wasn't in a puck, it wasn't vac sealed it actually had the opposite affect as you were putting the bw water in the gh would try to force it's way out.I had to draw the air out from that point on before mixing.
td1111
19-11-2008, 02:59 AM
Even at up to 7.5iu's a day on these Saizens, no sides, no results. A waste of money. Wish I had stocked up on Kefeis or jins!
Nice im coming to the end of this kit im gonna go find me some new stuff. From the sounds of it this shit is bunk. Td1111, how long have you been running this stuff?
Andre
10-02-2009, 12:57 PM
I was wondering if there was any more feedback from the guys that tried the 150IU kits?
Thanks!
Andre
natenator
10-02-2009, 01:09 PM
I was wondering if there was any more feedback from the guys that tried the 150IU kits?
Thanks!
Andre
stick with tried and true bud. Kefei, Hygetropin, Jins, etc.
Personally a fan of Kefei and Hygetropin and prefer the Hyge's but rather have the price of kefei's...
Praetorian
10-02-2009, 02:29 PM
I am not impressed with these. Nothing noticeable at 3 iu's at day for 3 weeks. I swtiched back to the last of my few Kefei's left, and got carpel sides in a hurry. When I run out, I suppose I'll have no choice but to run these Saizens at 5-7 iu and hope for some result. Wish I had had the $ to invest in extra stock of jins or kefeis when they were abundant.
From what I have seen and heard they are worthless!
P
Praetorian
10-02-2009, 02:31 PM
Even at up to 7.5iu's a day on these Saizens, no sides, no results. A waste of money. Wish I had stocked up on Kefeis or jins!
Exactly and I have been saying this for the last few months on here....repackaged 240iu kits....same shit....different box! I did 30iu for 3 days straight..not a single side....garbage!
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alright
10-02-2009, 02:54 PM
I was wondering if there was any more feedback from the guys that tried the 150IU kits?
Thanks!
Andre
It's total garbage!!! I threw away some unused/unopened bottles that's how sure I am that this stuff was bunk.
Benny62
12-02-2009, 02:23 PM
When these were offered to me I declined because serono doesn't mak anything over 8 iu anywhere in the world, and the price was way too cheap for pharma grade any how.
fitfanatik
12-02-2009, 02:56 PM
This is fake?
:confused:
http://www.canadabodybuilding.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1466&d=1220291980
**** me. I just picked up a 150IU kit. Ive heard good things about them from several different people.
Im gonna give it a go either way.
Andre
13-08-2009, 03:57 PM
**** me. I just picked up a 150IU kit. Ive heard good things about them from several different people.
Im gonna give it a go either way.
Don't even bother... honestly, you don't even know what's in that shit!
I heard it's the same bastards that made that crap that have now moved on to Hardcore Growth...
IronMan
13-08-2009, 05:15 PM
Sorry to piss off any of the sellers of this stuf, but ALLLLLLLLLLLLL of the 150 IU Saizen kits are FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!! End of story. Not any active HGH in them. Crumbled loose powder inside which is your first and foremost sign that if at one time it "was" HGH its not anymore. HGH is a very sensetive peptide to atmospheric dispersion and can VERY easily get damaged even just by shooting the bacstac or sterile water into it head on onto the peptide puck. Also if you shake it, the active peptide WILL get destroyed. Also not to mention the non vacuum sealed vials, and that its just plane of fake fakity fake fake fake! Ok now lets here how their friends or the guys using it are getting "results" and I MUST have an hidden agenda or whatever. I'm just stating that I got ripped off by buying these once uppon a time, and I am just posting my 2 cents to the thread in question.
Jmany
13-08-2009, 05:19 PM
Sorry to piss off any of the sellers of this stuf, but ALLLLLLLLLLLLL of the 150 IU Saizen kits are FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!! End of story. Not any active HGH in them. Crumbled loose powder inside which is your first and foremost sign that if at one time it "was" HGH its not anymore. HGH is a very sensetive peptide to atmospheric dispersion and can VERY easily get damaged even just by shooting the bacstac or sterile water into it head on onto the peptide puck. Also if you shake it, the active peptide WILL get destroyed. Also not to mention the non vacuum sealed vials, and that its just plane of fake fakity fake fake fake! Ok now lets here how their friends or the guys using it are getting "results" and I MUST have an hidden agenda or whatever. I'm just stating that I got ripped off by buying these once uppon a time, and I am just posting my 2 cents to the thread in question.
Yeah im mad too, got 2 kits that im just gonna basically throw out. no point in just injecting sterile water into myself, waste of time and effort. fuuuuucccckkk
I'm never going to get involved in the GH crapshoot. Fuq that..
Mr Ontario
13-08-2009, 07:30 PM
Fack that....fack this..fack you lol :)
I'm never going to get involved in the GH crapshoot. Fuq that..
IronMan
13-08-2009, 07:31 PM
Fack that....fack this..fack you lol :)
Hell, FVCK EVERYONE AHHHHHHAHAHHAHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAA
LMAO!
Why are reps still selling this product then? WTF?
JonnyO
13-08-2009, 09:20 PM
Funny I did a kit or two, got results, not the BEST but they did work....must have been a placebo effect. :rolleyes:
But can say the same for Blue tops and the like, got OK results, not the BEST.
So maybe there are some that are in fact useless or I was one of hte lucky ones who got a few that had actual gh in them who knows.
I know the price is tempting for the amount you get, 150iu. But guys these days are so damn cheap and shop around for the best deal they can possibly get. Then they cry foul??? What you expect you shop for the cheap shit you get cheap shit I guess. GH isnt a poor mans drug, so if you dont plan on spending the money for the good stuff you knows 100 % legit dont bother at all, your own fault.
Dr.Dose
13-08-2009, 09:23 PM
Why are reps still selling this product then? WTF?
Simple... money to be made on people ignorance.
Houstonbc
13-08-2009, 11:01 PM
I mustve had a placebo effect too lol.
But ya you def get what you pay for in this game.
Funny I did a kit or two, got results, not the BEST but they did work....must have been a placebo effect. :rolleyes:
But can say the same for Blue tops and the like, got OK results, not the BEST.
So maybe there are some that are in fact useless or I was one of hte lucky ones who got a few that had actual gh in them who knows.
I know the price is tempting for the amount you get, 150iu. But guys these days are so damn cheap and shop around for the best deal they can possibly get. Then they cry foul??? What you expect you shop for the cheap shit you get cheap shit I guess. GH isnt a poor mans drug, so if you dont plan on spending the money for the good stuff you knows 100 % legit dont bother at all, your own fault.
Fack that....fack this..fack you lol :)
Right Back at ya :) .. in spades
Funny I did a kit or two, got results, not the BEST but they did work....must have been a placebo effect. :rolleyes:
But can say the same for Blue tops and the like, got OK results, not the BEST.
So maybe there are some that are in fact useless or I was one of hte lucky ones who got a few that had actual gh in them who knows.
I know the price is tempting for the amount you get, 150iu. But guys these days are so damn cheap and shop around for the best deal they can possibly get. Then they cry foul??? What you expect you shop for the cheap shit you get cheap shit I guess. GH isnt a poor mans drug, so if you dont plan on spending the money for the good stuff you knows 100 % legit dont bother at all, your own fault.
Oh Fak ya people love Deals,then when they do get ripped off there mad as hell,like why not stay with something that works..I Like Kefei GH.
nickkutzko
28-07-2011, 07:29 PM
hey im just wondering if you tried the kit and if you got any results? i just picked up 2 of these kits and started researching them after the fact to find out they might be fakes, any info would be helpful
is it loose white powder at the bottom of the vial? is it as white as snow?
nickkutzko
28-07-2011, 07:37 PM
yup, same box same vial, green top. even the same serial number and stuff as the pictures that were put up on this feed. my guy swears by it so im thinking it could be generic from china. i just wanna know if anyone has run a full kit and had any definite results or side effects
nickkutzko
28-07-2011, 07:38 PM
i ran two kits of **no ug lab talk** somatropin which ive noticed results from and i got offered the saizen for a way cheaper price so i stupidly took it before doing research. now im stuck with them and just ran out of my **no ug lab talk** so i pretty much have no choice but to take the saizen...
i felt nothing from it at all. i shot around 40iu in 3 days and still felt nothing. i cracked open a vial and tasted the powder and it tasted like icing sugar.
:(
nickkutzko
28-07-2011, 08:01 PM
ya i just did the same thing and it tastes like sugar. im beyond pissed
i was told that sucralose (sugar alcohol) is used as a preservative in the saizens and that is why it tasted like sugar. I think that fractions of miligrams of sucralose would not taste that sweet personally. im not saying this stuff is bunk, but its not looking good.
Mr Ontario
28-07-2011, 08:21 PM
That's the problem, people always go with the cheaper price, and not pay for quality.
i ran two kits of **no ug lab talk** somatropin which ive noticed results from and i got offered the saizen for a way cheaper price so i stupidly took it before doing research. now im stuck with them and just ran out of my **no ug lab talk** so i pretty much have no choice but to take the saizen...
Praetorian
28-07-2011, 09:15 PM
Its bunk period...jeez!
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nickkutzko
28-07-2011, 09:20 PM
well if theres anyone else that has tried the green top saizen and has any feedback it would be much appreciated!
Curious as to whether any of the vets that got tired of the gh crapshoot have switched to legal peptides.
ironwill
29-07-2011, 03:17 PM
Curious as to whether any of the vets that got tired of the gh crapshoot have switched to legal peptides. Find a good gh and stick with it, and yes peptides are the shit...Follistatin 344 along with igf is unreal....Off cycle for a little while now and growin like a weed...
Off cycle and growin' like a weed....impressive.
ironwill
29-07-2011, 04:45 PM
Off cycle and growin' like a weed....impressive.
LOL, teres a tonne of hype on folli, some is overhyped for sure, but some is very much the truth....I believe some of these peptides are the way of the future...I waited a long time to try folli, and i have some solid friends that have tried it and dont exaggerate, so i figured id try on my own...A little bit of water, but up 5 lbs in first week, ans hunger is through the roof...Ill see for sure once im done, but strength is up and hunger is up, Pumps from washing my hair, not normal for me off cycle, after all of these signs, typically there will be some muscle gain possibly...But to early to say for positive...From seeing my friends after their 2 week runs, there is definitely muscle after...:beer
tony_canuck
31-07-2011, 07:02 PM
"I waited a long time to try folli, and i have some solid friends that have tried it and dont exaggerate, so i figured id try on my own.."
How long have these guys been running the folli?
All are having good results?
Thanks!
Praetorian
01-08-2011, 08:52 AM
I haven't seen anything that even REMOTELY compares to the gains from real HGH...and if thee were you can bet every Pro would be using it...not happening either.
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JonnyO
01-08-2011, 11:32 AM
Sucralose as as GH preserver? lol,
ironwill
01-08-2011, 06:45 PM
I haven't seen anything that even REMOTELY compares to the gains from real HGH...and if thee were you can bet every Pro would be using it...not happening either.
PReal hgh is definitely good, but dont fool yourself, things are being researched and results are coming in...Im a very experienced dude, i know when shit is happening, or not happening...lol...Shit is happening with follistatin 344, a lot of bs being pushed out there, but im friends in real life not on internet with many high level competitors for Bb and powerlifting that are really liking what they are seeing as they to are running this stuff......Im done pct for awhile, and off cycle for quite awhile, and growing, Some water, some strength very good hunger and energy and drive........But I am being asked daily what my cycle is, and why i started again....Believe it or not...cest la vie....But dont say its not happening, as you dont know, you're speculating....
BTW, there are pros using folli,
One of my good buds that just had the world record for bench press a long time, and a very knowledgeable dude comes over often, took one look at me on thursday and said what the hell are you running dude, you blew up and look damn tight and veiny.....Not a lil boy on the street making a comment...lol...
No disrespect as you know your shit prae....I will give an honest critique when im done my run.....When i see final results...
Praetorian
01-08-2011, 07:42 PM
Gene doping is on the horizon and was used by the Chinese in Beijing...it will be the next BIG thing...but we w ill have to wait and see as to the feasibility....that i would agree with...Im not saying what you are doing is not working...I just havent seen anything compare to HGH....yet! And IW i know where you are coming from experience and level so Im not lumping you in with newbs. ;o)
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ironwill
01-08-2011, 08:02 PM
WHEEW...lol....Again, i am not saying that it is a miracle, nor comparing it to gh...Im just real happy feeling charged, and falling asleep for a cat nap in the afternoon, which i never do, and actually gaining a bit of strength, and extra reps, not the crazy amnts some are claiming, but i went up 7 lbs in one week, some subcutaneous water, some intracellular, as im getting pumps from heaven while off cycle, it never happens for me, Typically off cycle im just treading water, waiting to go back on and seeing some size losses after 10 weeks off....lol...i dont know how much muscle will come from this, Not expecting great amnts, again as some claim...But with hunger going through the roof, not a bunch of fat gain, energy way up and pumps very strong, i at least expect i wont lose as much muscle while being off as i sometimes do...Maybe at best im expecting a head start when i begin my next cycle????
I grabbed weight for dumbell curls the other day for example, i picked up the same weight i did previous time out, and it was light feeling, so i grabbed heavier and did more reps...That made me happy, it felt like taking var after about 3-4 weeks on it...Not like anadrol or something....
i guess ill see what happens....
Sucralose as as GH preserver? lol,
If you look on the REAL Saizen website for the ingredients in their GH, they list a sugar alcohol as one of the preservatives. Obviously this is not real Serono kit but you get where I am going with this...
JifeLacket
01-08-2011, 10:38 PM
Sugar alcohol as a preservative prolly means they used alcohol derived from a fermentable sugar, in which case it is made like vodka but to higher standards and then diluted down to whatever % they need. It doesn't mean it tastes sweet... That's how I see that. If there was sugar in there that would be even more of a breeding ground for bacteria and not really sterile. I can attest to the taste, I had a couple drops of #8's gh and its sweet as ****. I should dilute some icing sugar right now and compare.
^^ lol it tasted like ****ing sugar dude! you were there.
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