Sleep Aid?

[vigilant3]

So i'm talking to some guy, and he says his buddy is looking for a compound that helps you sleep at night. I can't remember what he was calling it, but supposedly it's generally used in synergy with androgens to help relax the user and put them to sleep.

Anyone have any clue what that is??

[L3]

GABA or Melatonin

[shithead]

synergy with androgens? no idea.

melatonin works for about 2-3 hrs before getting periodic wake ups.

[Kilburn]

i got this stuff over the counter that works well: diphenhydramine hydrochloide

it usually works but if it fails i have prescription sleeping pills.

[RagingRandy]

i got this stuff over the counter that works well: diphenhydramine hydrochloide

it usually works but if it fails i have prescription sleeping pills.

The OTC name brand is Nytol.

[BolicPower]

Only prescription helps me, long as do not make it habbit forming

[The Terminator]

Hmmm..Sleep aids.

-low dose antidepressants
-Zoplicone (prescription)
-Melatonin
-GABA
-Valerian Root

And for me, my favorite combination was a 400mcg shot of GHRP-6 with 1.5 Zopliclone pills. Worked like a charms for me.

Matt

[champcar99]

Nytol is the only one that works for me as far as OTC goes

[fathead]

Zma?

[Big D]

Zma?

i think you need sleep aid hah ,, posting at 3:48 am :P

[Stonewald Rockwater]

my dad always used the old "kick to the back of the head method" to put me down for the night. worked like a charm.

[Big D]

my dad always used the old "kick to the back of the head method" to put me down for the night. worked like a charm.

lol

[champcar99]

my dad always used the old "kick to the back of the head method" to put me down for the night. worked like a charm.

any mental issuses stemming form the "kick to the back of the head"

[simon85]

When I'm dieting, I sleep less and I'm not tired at all (6-7hours). It's pretty common on a caloric deficit.

But on a bulk, I sleep more. It's probably the cals. I train as hard when dieting or bulking.

[MizzFitt]

Im having major issues with sleep, I always did though :(. When dieting a good night is 4 hrs tops, other then that I only sleep about 2hrs per night. I use Nytol and it works pretty good :)

[RagingRandy]

my dad always used the old "kick to the back of the head method" to put me down for the night. worked like a charm.
Well, that explains the mentality displayed in your comments.

[td1111]

Too bad Gamma Hydroxy Butyrate is no longer legal, except by presciption if you are a narcoleptic. Deep REM sleep within minutes, no hangover, almost no sides.

[smithmitchelle]

I've used a couple r/x drugs mostly Benzodiazepines like temazepam. But I would wake up groggy and feel like I haven't slept at all. Kind of hungover after a night of drinking.

I started trying melatonin which doesn't interfere with the sleep cycles like sleep aids do and worked awesome for getting me to bed an hour before needing to pass out.

Some people reports vivid dreams/nightmares, although I do sometimes I don't mind it.

on wikipedia it says that Extremely high doses of melatonin (50mg) dramatically increased REM sleep time and dream activity in both narcoleptics and those without narcolepsy.

I would highly recommend it if you have trouble sleeping.

[xxSCHiSMxx]

-low dose antidepressants
-Valerian Root
I used St John's wort and Valerian as sleep aid. I found the Valerian also helped my anxiety. That Valerian sure has a 'unique' smell. :\ .. anyone that ever used it would know.

I got nothing to gain by pimpin' this brand, but I found http://www.jamiesonlabs.com
made real good herbal products. I tried several products that contained Valerian, did nothing. but the jamieson product was something I could feel.
could be placebo/could be some sorta crazy. whatever.

Ohh, you'll find jamieson stuff in any shoppers, walmart, etc. I'm sure everyone on here is familiar w/ the brand.

I have taken prescription drugs for anxiety/insomnia, still do. I'm not gonna say Valerian is as strong, but it's definitely worth a try.

[Diesel_250]

Velarian root works pretty good for me, it's suppose to work well when taken with mellatonin.

[simon85]

I sleep around 6-7h at the moment. At least I don't feel tired during the day. But I have the feeling I don't sleep enough for 100% growth.

I'm looking for an OTC supplement to help me sleep longer.

Guys, are you talking about the oral version of melatonin? I can get this, Valerian roots and also generic nytol tabs.

[IronRobi]

Diphenhydramine hydrochloride.... aka benadryl. Buy the generic brand at 50mg instead of the common 25mg under the benadryl name. It will knock you right out and keep you asleep. Melatonin made me tired, but I'd still wake up 5+ times per night.

[simon85]

Diphenhydramine hydrochloride.... aka benadryl. Buy the generic brand at 50mg instead of the common 25mg under the benadryl name. It will knock you right out and keep you asleep. Melatonin made me tired, but I'd still wake up 5+ times per night.

Yeah I used benadryl(75mg) while on clen/t3. It worked to make me sleep, but for regulating the receptors, I don't think so.

How much are you taking?

[toynut]

Anybody here ever have Gaba Rush? scary when you don't expect it

Melatonin is good to reset your bedtime if you don't go to bed at the same time every day

But if you really cant get to sleep, i can have my wife call you and bore you into a coma!!

[shithead]

I sleep around 6-7h at the moment. At least I don't feel tired during the day. But I have the feeling I don't sleep enough for 100% growth.

I'm looking for an OTC supplement to help me sleep longer.

Guys, are you talking about the oral version of melatonin? I can get this, Valerian roots and also generic nytol tabs.

I have found through years of experimenting that Gravol(dimenhydrinate) 25-50mg works just as well as Benadryl/Nytol, with less lag over.

[IronRobi]

Yeah I used benadryl(75mg) while on clen/t3. It worked to make me sleep, but for regulating the receptors, I don't think so.

How much are you taking?

I stick to 50mg unless I'm really wired when I go to lay down for bed, then I take 2 for 100mg

Shithead, Gravol has never worked for me but I know many people who it works great for!

[Mr.Freeze]

Big fat joint and its done deal!:D

[shithead]

Big fat joint and its done deal!:D


Dont do drugs, mmmmmmkay.

[L3]

going to get some ghb to use on my vic i mean myself

[xxSCHiSMxx]

Big fat joint and its done deal!:D
QFT


.. if one were into that kinda thing. :0!

:)

[Vomit]

Phenibut is popular for sleep. Its gaba with a phenyl group attached so that it can cross the blood brain barrier. It actually feels a little like alcohol and a little like ghb but not really the same as either.

Nothing will ever come close to ghb for sleep, or sex, or fat loss, or fun, or just about anything...dam I wish that stuff was still legal

[Average 270lb Guy]

One of the UG labs makes a sleep aid called Somnil (doxylamine succinate 10mg) - works like a charm.

[shithead]

Phenibut is popular for sleep. Its gaba with a phenyl group attached so that it can cross the blood brain barrier. It actually feels a little like alcohol and a little like ghb but not really the same as either.

Nothing will ever come close to ghb for sleep, or sex, or fat loss, or fun, or just about anything...dam I wish that stuff was still legal

I agree, but its not legal end of discussion.

[shithead]

One of the UG labs makes a sleep aid called Somnil (doxylamine succinate 10mg) - works like a charm.

Same as the depressant in Nyquil, if I'm not correct.

[mcgirkz]

5-10 grams of gabba and 3-5hrs of sleep feels like a full night for me. works in about 20 minutes

[Vomit]

I agree, but its not legal end of discussion.

Sorry if I crossed a boundary there.

5-HTP works well for mild insomnia. I find doxylamine gives me restless legs and a really disturbed sleep. I was disapointed because I ordered a bunch of it from the states thinking it would work well, only to find that I really couldnt sleep well on it.

trazodone is great (prescription antideppresant thats easy to get from a doctor)

[RagingRandy]

Phenibut seems to be readily available in the US. Is it illegal in Canada? Does anyone know where you can get it in Canada, if it is legal.....of course. ;)

[BolicPower]

A Friend my GF and I know , was using g*b ONLY to sleep and after two years she's lost her family and is currently in dextox (court ordered) this drug is addictive and some can OD. Take something like script from doc or mild thing never hardcore ting.

[Ritch]

During the week I use 50-100mg of 5 HTP with st john`s wort and really works well. On week ends, I use generic 50 mg nytol. Last night I combined a st john`s wort cap with nytol and had to back to bed after breakfast.

I`ve never used GABA but am getting some soon. I`ve heard some people use a meer teaspoon and feel really ****ed up, so would start with a small dose like 2 grams or so.
Was curious about this GABA with the "phenyl group attached" what is it?

[RJ*]

ive had insomnia for YEARS
no drug will ever ever ever replace real sleep
ive take nytol
dox succ
g**, etc, you name it

and when i stopped, sleeping for 6 hrs was the best thing ever ,
i highly recomend never taking a sleep drug.,

[Vomit]

During the week I use 50-100mg of 5 HTP with st john`s wort and really works well. On week ends, I use generic 50 mg nytol. Last night I combined a st john`s wort cap with nytol and had to back to bed after breakfast.

I`ve never used GABA but am getting some soon. I`ve heard some people use a meer teaspoon and feel really ****ed up, so would start with a small dose like 2 grams or so.
Was curious about this GABA with the "phenyl group attached" what is it?

Heres the link to phenibut. Ass you can see its gaba with a phenyl group attached. A phenyl group is a 6 carbon ring in which the double bonds are conjugated. It increases the lipophilic properties of gaba allowing it to cross the blood brain barrier. Once across the bb it activates the same receptors that alcohol, valium and a certain compound that starts with a certain letter activate.

link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenibut
btw phenibut is legal in canada however, since it works on the same receptor systems as valium, alcohol and g$% it is liable to cause addiction. Withdrawl from phenibut causes anxiety and slight tremor. This can occur after a few weeks of constant use.

[Ritch]

Thanks vomit for the phenibut info. For those who have used it, what do your typical doses look like? I did some reading and it seems common doses are around 2 grams. 500 grams of phenibut costs $170. 500 grams of Gaba costs $20. Do you feel the phenibut is worth the extra costs?

I just find it funny that phenibut can be used to treat anxiety and one of the side effects when comming off it is anxiety and even worse slight tremor!

[Vomit]

I'm not sure what dose you should start with... different people have different sensitivities. Whatever you do do not buy higher power phenibut. It is not phenibut, and it does nothing even at 20grams (the dose I tried in a hopeless attempt to get some effects from it).
Like valium and alcohol (or any drug for that matter) what goes up must come down. With phenibut its no different. You will feel less anxious and more relaxed but in the morning you may feel hungover. I recommend using it as an alcohol substitute since alcohol is vile and bad on so many levels for the bodybuilder.

If you plan on using phenibut to treat anxiety make sure you slowely taper off it. This isnt like steroids where you can just PCT the hell out of it. If you slowely taper off your dosage then even months of high dosages will produce no withdrawl (however can you ever really beat pyscological withdrawl?)

[AlbertaBeef]

By the sounds of this and all the caution I would think it's best to avoid phenibut all together.

I like about 10 grams of gaba before bed sometimes however it has been advised that it should not be taken with any other amino acids and I don't like hitting the rack without a shake in my belly.

[Ritch]

By the sounds of this and all the caution I would think it's best to avoid phenibut all together.

I like about 10 grams of gaba before bed sometimes however it has been advised that it should not be taken with any other amino acids and I don't like hitting the rack without a shake in my belly.

It`s true what you say about the timing of the last meal with the usage of gaba. I was thinking of drinking lots of water with my shake to purposely get up around 4 hours later and use the gaba then. I`m not expecting anything big, just to see. Maybe the gh, or deep sleep effect will improve recovery.