andropen

[lele01]

i was thinking of cycle for 12weeks

400mg/wk~500mg/wk (like a pyramid)

and goin on PCT with Clomid, Nolvadex, Letro

but, the thing is i cant get andropen, since, one of people i know of only sellin minimum 10bottles, which i don really need,

i was wondering if anyone could offer me one in this board,

in AB Edm, looking forwoard to get any help

[Tayousei]

What's with people on this board using multiple drugs for PCT? You only need one. Nolvadex OR clomid, etc... You really don't need more than one. If you're done AAS before, you also probably don't need to pyramid up. You should be able to just start at 500mg and go. As for the trailing end, tapering is a good idea.

Start the nolva (or whatever you choose) when you test level hits 200mg. Keep your taper and half lives in mind when figuring out when this is.

[St]

I wouldn't touch DB anymore.

[ergie]

As long as its from a legit source you should be ok

[TeamT3]

Use an overseas guy for the gear. I was never a fan of Andropen. But to each his own.

Dont pyramid drugs.
Stay with the same dose and dont taper either.
That drug will self taper anyways so no need to waste your steroids on low dosages at the end. You system will not recover while you have exogenous hormones active so all a taper does is make the end of your cycle less productive.

Tapering was around when we didnt use PCT.
I did it all the time in the 70's and 80's because we had nothing else. It was innefective at best.
Look at Tom Platz for example. He tapered and went from 220lbs lean and hard to 165lbs. I've seen it happen to many guys. Platz was the most noticeable.

Here is what I was told to do when I was young and disco was on the radio:

Ramp up and then ramp down as follows;
Using Test with an ester:

Week one 200mg
Week 2: 300mg
Week 3 300mg
Week 4: 400mg
Week 5: 400mg
Week6: 300mg
Week 7: 200mg
Week 8 150mg
Wekk9: 100mg
Week 10 50-100mg

At this point we would lower dose further if need be. Then go off totally. Many would run deca or primo while off at 100mg/week. The logic was that these drugs wont shut you down - of course we know this is now false but the idea then was mild anabolics would keep the muscle without affecting HTPA.

Arnold was said/rumored to run deca while 'off' gear.

At around week 6 I would start to add in var or primo, switching from an androgen to an anabolic in hopes to keep mass while recovering. Of course I wasnt recovering as I was still on gear and still surpressed but the 'guru's at the time were working with limited info and this was the best they could come up with.

So as I lowered test I would keep an anaoblic in my system. Once I was off test I would taper off the primo as well and then be done. At this point I had lost alot of size and felt like garbage as I hadnt prooperly recovered at all.

But it was all we knew at the time. We didnt run GH off cycle or use nolva,clomid. We hoped teh high anaboic would keep our gains and maybe it did to a point, but we were still shut down --- just in denial.

Why people still suggest a taper is beyond me as I have 20 years of reasons why it wont work.

Some guys now taper and add in clomid. But they miss the point that clomid will not work in the presence of testosterone so there is no reason to run it. HCG is an option but this too will only artifically help out and still keep you in a negative response loop and very shut down.

Here is what works best for most:

Use same dose of test through whole cycle. DO NOT TAPER!

At the end of cycle if you are on enanthate or cyp you may add in a fast acting steroid to keep levels even while the drug SELF TAPERS out of your system. I often have men use test suspension or dbol to use up until PCT starts to keep them gaining while the bulk of their cycle gets out of their system.

This is not mandatory but it does help.
Once the cyp or enanthate is cleared the system we stop the fast acting gear, wait one day and begin aggressive PCT. Often we use non-androgen anabolics once we start PCT.

The above is simple and it works. No need to over complicate PCT. IT makes sense, is easy and doesnt waste gear. I have no axe to grind with the Tapering Squad, I know you guys are out there. But this is what I have seen and done since the 1970's. Its a different feeling to have lived through this stuff then to have just seen what works on paper or what others may have told you.

Whew--now I know why I'm not online much, too much work all this typing.

-PoppaFlex(TeamT3)