What can I expect from Tbol?

[Odysseus]

Normally when there is something that I haven't incorporated in a cycle yet, I just read up a lot on it and have an idea of what to expect. But with Tbol, I am finding it hard to figure out just what it is normally used for in a cycle for bodybuilders. Most of the material I read on Tbol lead me to believe that it is mostly a drug for the enhancement of athletic performance. But if it is supposed to be structurally similar to Dianabol except without aromatization, it sounds like a strong anabolic to incorporate into a cutting cycle. But at the same time I'm wondering if it is strong enough to use as part of a bulking cycle in place of Dianabol? E.g. Test, Deca, Tbol instead of Test, Deca, Dbol. And since the prices I see on Tbol are usually much, much cheaper than anavar, I was wondering what the gains are like on it. Similar to anavar but less pricey?

So Prae, I guess what I am asking is: if you had to compare Tbol to another anabolic in terms of similarity in gains, which would it be? Can I expect it to be more cosmetic and hardening like I would for Winstrol?

[Praetorian]

You can expect similar results to anavar...except it does aromatize just not as much as dbol. It is not anything new or better it is just a different compound that many have not been familiar with and it is not going to change your physique any more then test, eq, anavar, deca etc would. I dont like orals because they are liver toxic over time even winstrol and cause gastro issues in most not to mention they kill appetite. I would only use them if I had to ie no injectable winstrol was available and i was competing. Your gains off injectables are much more consistent and no health issues.

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[Odysseus]

You can expect similar results to anavar...except it does aromatize just not as much as dbol. It is not anything new or better it is just a different compound that many have not been familiar with and it is not going to change your physique any more then test, eq, anavar, deca etc would. I dont like orals because they are liver toxic over time even winstrol and cause gastro issues in most not to mention they kill appetite. I would only use them if I had to ie no injectable winstrol was available and i was competing. Your gains off injectables are much more consistent and no health issues.

P


Thank you Prae. I see no reason to use Tbol now that you've explained it to me. Truth be told, all I used this cycle has been Test and low dose hgh and my gains have been consistent due to good training, food, and rest. I haven't used orals in a while and the only reason I asked about Tbol was because I saw how cheap it was compared to anavar and also there wasn't much info about it out there so I was curious.

I have one unrelated question but I didn't want to have to start a whole new thread on it so I'll post it here: How would I know when I'm ready for Tren? Tren is the only thing I'm actually a little reluctant to try. But based on feedback from people who actually compete, in their own words: "There is no competitive bodybuilding without Tren." Is this true? Is Tren the only way one can develop a physique that is "contest ready"? I just notice a certain density and maturity in the muscle of people who have used it. It seems to be a very impressive body transformer. I'm not worried about most of the side effects such as insomnia, sweats, etc. The only thing I'm worried about is the possible personality change. Every single person I've spoken to (competitors) have told me "be careful, it is a personality changer." I guess I just don't want to end up like Craig Titus at some point lol.

I want to do a bulking cycle next winter with: Test Cyp/E at 600mg, and Tren Ace at 50mg EOD. Would this be a good starting point?

Thank you for your help.

[Praetorian]

Tren ace is a great drug but you really don't need it off season. I would only suggest using it if competing and during the last 8 weeks prior to a show. The reason many like tren is that it is a very strong androgen (approx three times more then test) and it does not aromatize which means it makes you look much denser and harder and vascular. This does not mean you have added more hard dense muscle nor does it mean that you added muscle and lost fat because you appear leaner at the same weight...it just means cosmetically you appear denser and harder...that's it. I experience very little sides on tren ace...a little more aggression but this is good because i use it in the gym. If you are not an asshole without tren you wont become one with it. If you are then you will just become a bigger asshole.

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[Hosehead]

Tren ace is a great drug but you really don't need it off season. I would only suggest using it if competing and during the last 8 weeks prior to a show. The reason many like tren is that it is a very strong androgen (approx three times more then test) and it does not aromatize which means it makes you look much denser and harder and vascular. This does not mean you have added more hard dense muscle nor does it mean that you added muscle and lost fat because you appear leaner at the same weight...it just means cosmetically you appear denser and harder...that's it. I experience very little sides on tren ace...a little more aggression but this is good because i use it in the gym. If you are not an asshole without tren you wont become one with it. If you are then you will just become a bigger asshole.

P

I'm an asshole when I'm not taking anything at all. My theory is that when I'm on I get the benefit of added endorphins ( I have suffered from mild depression for years). But I'm also scared to take tren because of hearing so much of the added aggression in some users. I find when I run low dose deca (250-300mg) I am pretty chill. Would this offset the aggression I MIGHT get from taking tren or is this theory faulty ? Cosmetically , would deca and tren ace cancel each other out ? The deca smoothness ruining the cosmetic benefit of tren ace ? I actually stay quite veiny and hard on low dose deca when I run it with 500-750 test if my diet is in check. Just wondering........

[Praetorian]

Deca doesnt aromatize much and anything that aromatizes ie test will counter the hardening effects of tren. Thus when preparing for a show and running test you also run an AI to eliminate the estrogen issue and thus the tren isnt competing against high estrogen. Many back in the day when Parabolan (tren) wasnt available would use low dose deca as well as nolvadex for a hardening combo. Nowadays we have third generation AI's its no longer necessary and doses of test in the 1 gram range are used right to the show because estrogen is no longer an issue.

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