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jp210
23-05-2014, 12:03 PM
Hey there,

Just wanted to post up what I will be doing starting today, in terms of diet/supplements/gear and a brief bit on training.

Diet

Meal 1: 5 Whole Eggs, 1/2 cup egg whites, 3/4 cup oatmeal

Meal 2: (Pre workout meal) 8 ounce chicken breast, 1 cup rice

Meal 3: (Post workout meal) 8 ounce extra lean ground beef, 1 cup rice

Meal 4: 2 scoops Whey Protein, 40 grams wazy maize, 1 tablespoon extra virgin olive oil

Meal 5: 8 ounce chicken breast, 1 tortilla wrap, lettuce

Meal 6: 1 scoop Whey, 1/2 cup egg whites, 1 tablespoon extra virgin olive oil

This works out to be around 3300 calories, 330 grams of protein, 190 grams of carbs and 95 grams of fat

Meals 4 and 5 are like that because of work. I drive a city bus and sometimes I get no breaks, so I need something I can just down quickly, the chicken wrap is a lot easier to eat then say a Chicken salad or chicken and rice. I could get gluten free wraps as well, but seeing how I am just cutting down and not dieting for a show at the moment, I think it will be fine. I plan on dropping carbs fairly quickly, so will see what happens after a week. My diet up until this point has been all over the place and very high carb with lots of sugars, so this is going to be a nice change for me.

Gear/Supplements

I recently purchased a mix of test and deca that equals up to 1000mg, I will be taking this throughout the cut as well as adding in other compounds, here is what I am planning.

Weeks 1-2: 650mg Test Blend, 350mg Deca
Weeks 3-8: 650mg Test Blend, 350mg Deca, 150mg Tren Ace eod, 50mcg T3, 100mg Clen

The tren is optional, I know its not really needed for what I am doing, but it can also be a benefit for aiding in the fat loss. I will also add in Proviron at 25-50mg a day, to help with the side effects, water bloat, ect, and arimidex if needed.

As for supplements I will just be taking Whey Protein ( I always use a blend), a good multivitamin (I use Orange Triad because it has joint and immune support already in it) as well as Wazy Maize for my powdered carb source. I could also use oat flour, but wazy maize is easy to blend and quick and easy.

Training

Will just be following a 4 day split, focusing on compound lifts, power sets in the beginning and then going into a more mid range rep range. I don't like going very high in reps, unless its a drop set or a finisher. For large muscle groups I will be doing 20 sets (high volume) shoulders and arms will be 8-12 sets each. I usually don't do high volume and stick to high intensity/low volume workouts, however I think my body needs a switch, and now is a good time for that because it will also be a good fat burning workout.

As for Cardio, I plan to start with 3 20 min light sessions after workouts on 3 of my workout days, and 2 High Intensity Interval Days for 15 minutes on 2 of my off days. For HIIT I use the spin bike and do wingates, which is basically pedalling very fast on highest resistance for 10 seconds or so then bringing it down for a minute then repeating. This has done wonders for me in the past when I dieted down natural.

That is basically it right there, open to suggestions/criticism,

Thanks a lot!

Sean Summers
23-05-2014, 12:09 PM
Numbers seem a bit off -


This works out to be around 3300 calories, 330 grams of protein, 190 grams of carbs and 95 grams of fat


330 x 4 = 1320
190 x 4 = 760
95 x 9 = 855

total = 2935 not 3300 - you are about 400 cals shy

jp210
23-05-2014, 12:14 PM
Yeah sorry it was just a rough calculation, I had changed a few things to my original plan, rather than going through and adding everything up again I just guessed as it was just 1 egg and 1/4 cup of oats I took out

jp210
23-05-2014, 12:30 PM
Sorry just double checked and I guess I forgot a meal in the calculation or something, but these are the CORRECT macros

Calories: 3250 Protein: 352 Carbs: 240 Fat: 98

Praetorian
23-05-2014, 09:52 PM
Just some tips...

That's a tonne of carbs for cutting...most guys would have difficulty cutting on that much.

If you are 250lbs plus then 8oz of protein is fine...if not its high...7oz is optimal for someone 200-240lbs.

I would use better carbs the wraps...even off season not good.

Whats the point of waxy maize in meal 4?

650mg test and 350mg deca weekly is fine..no need for the tren...and no it does not increase fat loss.

You never start T3 at 50mcg....you always start at the lowest dose that produces adequate fat loss...ie 25mcg and gradually increase it...the same thing goes for clen...start at 20mcg twice daily and increase it slowly..ie 20mcg every two weeks....the body attenuates to ergogens...starting that high will cause significant sides and youll need 300mcg in no time to produce fat loss

If you are running arimidex the proviron is a waste of money...its old school and archaic and does not come close to the effectiveness of an AI.

Training can be 4 or 5 days i prefer being more active and keeping duration shorter since running a calorie deficit so 5 days is optimal...one body part per day reps should stay in the 6-10 range...legs can go slightly higher ie 15-20 especially leg press.

Cardio start with three 20min session low intensity...thats it...no HIIT (that's not really HIIT anyway that's interval steady state) Cardio will build over time so each week add to it to keep fat loss continual...again the body adapts quickly.

Good luck!

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jp210
24-05-2014, 02:48 AM
Thanks a lot for the suggestions! I have implemented them into my program, here is new diet:

Cutting Diet – 05/23/2014
Meal 1: 10:00am
5 whole eggs
½ cup egg whites
3/4 cup oatmeal
Calories: 730 Protein: 58 Carbs:50 Fat:37

Meal 2: (pre workout meal on workout days) 12:00pm
7 ounce chicken breast
3/4 cup white rice
Calories: 434 Protein: 59 Carbs: 33 Fat:5

Meal 3: 3:30pm
7 ounces extra lean ground beef
3/4 cup rice
Calories: 616 Protein: 59 Carbs: 33 Fat:14

Meal 4: (During work) Between 7 and 8
2 scoops Whey
1 tablespoons oil
Calories: 319 Protein: 50g Carbs:5 Fat:16






Meal 5: (during work) Between 10-11
1 scoop whey
.5 cup egg whites
1 tablespoon extra virgin olive oil
Calories: 309 Protein: 39 Carbs:5 Fat:15

Meal 6 2:00am
7 ounce chicken breast
Salad
Calories: 280 Protein: 56 Carbs:0 Fat:5

Total Calories
Calories: 2688 Protein: 321 Carbs: 126 Fat: 102


So basically dropped carb sources a quarter, took out the waxy maize, dropped the meat portions slightly and switched around some meals. Rather then figure out how I am going to eat chicken breast on the bus, I figured it would be easier to have both my liquid meals when I am at work. At least with my current work schedule I have. It will change again end of June.

As for cardio and training, I will implement those changes as well and also will not be running the Tren. I will keep this thread updated and add in the changes as I go. Im guessing because calories are so low now that I will be just adding in cardio for a while. The way I have done it in past is to start fairly high calories and work my way down, so its fairly new to me to start right off like this, although I know people that do it this way as well and they make great progress.

Thanks a lot!

Praetorian
24-05-2014, 12:28 PM
Looks much better!

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jp210
26-05-2014, 12:17 PM
Thanks!

As for carb up days, my plan is to start off with one carb up day a week, then increase to 2 as I get leaner, adding about 300 grams of carbs and maybe 30-50grams of fat, I could also add in a smaller carb up day of just 100-150 grams of carbs, and lower fat, keeping calories around the same, so it is essentially carb cycling. The larger carb up day I will also have one or two cheat meals. Here would be the schedule:

Friday - Low carbs
Satursday - Low carbs
Sunday - Low carbs
Monday - Medium carbs lower fat
Tuesday - low carbs
Wednsday - low carbs
Thursday - high carbs (cheat meal/s)
Repeat

jp210
26-05-2014, 12:45 PM
Today is monday though and I still feel ok, so i dont think im going to do the medium carb day this week, i will wait it out till thurs and if fat loss is too slow then il add in the second one next week

Praetorian
27-05-2014, 04:45 PM
I dont see any point in a carb up day besides it slowling fat loss. I would suggest a refeed meal once per week if you are consistently dropping 2lbs per week. If not you need to adjust your cardio and/or diet and skip the refeed.

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