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Praetorian
15-04-2014, 05:31 PM
Another great article by John Meadows!

P


The Bulking Diet Delusion
by John Meadows   Today
Meadows-back
Here's what you need to know...

•  When you bulk up and body fat rises, you gradually decrease insulin sensitivity, impeding muscle growth.

•  The more overweight you are, the more you change your physiology to favor fat storage over muscle growth.

•  Most people who bulk will store fat in just one area, like the belly or love handles, making it tougher and tougher to lean that area out.

•  Bulkers sometimes experience ectopic fat storage. Because the body is being flooded with excess calories, glucose, and triglycerides, it'll begin storing the excess not just in adipose tissue, but in the muscles themselves, giving a soft appearance to the muscles.

•  Most males don't need to get above 12% body fat to gain muscle optimally.

•  You need a calorie surplus to build muscle and it's extremely hard to eat just enough to build muscle without some fat gain. However, gaining five pounds of fat to gain one pound of muscle is a bad idea.

Back when I started training, guys would spend the off-season "bulking." The rules were simple: Eat every two to three hours and always eat until full. While "clean" foods like chicken and brown rice were the ideal, no one was docked points for sneaking in a pizza during the post workout "window of opportunity." As long as the number on the scale was growing, that was all that mattered. Scale weight became the metric by which you judged the success of a bulk.

It usually wasn't a pretty process. Let's say you decided to bulk up to 250 pounds by Christmas. Pants fitting tight at 235? That's why they make those blue stretch pants that Wal-Mart shoppers wear! Keep eating. Can't fit into your suits at 240? See if your boss will let you make every day casual Friday! Keep eating. Eventually you reach your goal. The scale says 250 pounds. You win.

But did you really win? You gained 30 or 40 or even 50 pounds in four or five months. You might have a bigger bench and squat – not to mention chipmunk cheeks and a nice, tight, low back that barks even when you do a single rep of tying your shoelaces, but are you any better? I don't think so.

First, building muscle – actual, contractile muscle tissue – is a painstakingly slow process for any lifter past the beginner or newbie phase. For an experienced lifter, a gain of 1-2 pounds a month of pure muscle would be excellent. It adds up to 10 pounds or more in a single off-season. However, only a scant few bodybuilders can gain muscle at such a rate, and 10 pounds is a far cry from the 40 or 50 pounds you slapped on during your bulk.

Furthermore, when you bulk up and body fat levels rise, you can gradually decrease insulin sensitivity, which can actually impede muscle growth. Insulin is actually a signaling protein for both muscle and fat cells to utilize amino acids and glucose. Ideally, insulin-sensitive muscle cells will readily absorb glucose and amino acids when insulin "signals" them to open. With increased body fat, though, comes increased levels of insulin, and this can desensitize muscle cells to insulin's signaling effects.

If you decrease insulin sensitivity, your muscle won't use glucose and amino acids as efficiently, and since it's metabolically less expensive to store fat, your body will convert more of the excess calories into body fat. The more overweight you are, the more you change your physiology to favor fat storage over muscle recovery and growth.

This physiological phenomenon where protein synthesis is inhibited and fat storage is elevated is referred to as anabolic resistance, and it's the last thing you want as a bodybuilder. Subsequently, the further along you are in your off-season (i.e., the fatter you get), the more likely it is that any excess nutrients you eat are being stored in your butt and gut – not your quads and biceps. And, the less likely it is that your training is leading to any actual muscle growth.

Of course, there are always outliers. I know guys who can gain 50-plus pounds in an off-season and just get bigger all around. At worst they'll lose their veins and maybe get chipmunk cheeks. Exceptions don't make rules however, and simply because the top guys can "get away" with a bulking strategy doesn't make it a sound option for the majority of us who are less genetically gifted.


Brand New Fat Cells, Accelerated Fat Storage
John Meadows
Another really troublesome aspect to bulking is that regular mortals will store most of their fat in just one unsightly area, like the belly or love handles. Not only is this extremely unhealthy (fat around the abdomen is directly correlated with heart disease and hypertension), it can lead to the creation of new fat cells that make it even harder to diet down once bulking ends. This process is called adipogenesis, and it occurs during periods of intense weight gain and calorie surplus.

When someone is doing heavy-duty bulking, the excess calories all get eventually converted to glucose, which is essentially sugar. Glucose gets used by both muscle and fat cells for energy usage and storage. When glucose levels are continuously high though, and you have more than you need for just your muscles, all that excess glucose will be stored as fat. This is why hard and fast "dirty" bulking rarely leads to large increases in muscle. Past a certain body fat point, you're simply accelerating fat storage.

Over time then, as bulking is repeated, you're actually fattening up the same parts of your body over and over again. This makes for a total bitch of a diet – if it's already hard to whittle away at that one area, adding even more fat there means you should prepare for 12 weeks of hell. Even worse, the higher your body fat levels climb, the greater the possibility of it leading to anabolic resistance. Getting that stubborn area down will likely hurt other areas too, and actually make them appear emaciated. Consequently, it can negate any muscle gains.

To make matters worse, bulkers can experience another phenomenon known as ectopic fat storage. Because the body is being flooded with excess calories, glucose, and triglycerides, it'll begin storing the excess not just in adipose tissue, but in the muscles themselves. This is called intramuscular triglyceride storage. This is what often contributes to dirty bulkers having a soft appearance to their muscles.

It's not just cosmetic, though. This intramuscular fat can also inhibit protein synthesis and subsequent muscle growth. Everyone's likely seen the occasional bodybuilder that got huge in the off-season but somehow lost all his soft gains when he dieted back down, and ectopic fat storage is partially responsible for that happening.

Let's add another wrinkle. Getting fat over and over again can make getting leaner more difficult each time. If you get too fat and then have to kill yourself to diet down, the body will hang onto fat that much harder the next time you diet. This particular phenomenon is somewhat related to the metabolic damage concept of reducing basal metabolism over and over again to the point where weight loss is nearly impossible and weight gain can be caused by even the slightest of calorie surpluses.

While metabolic damage is often associated with female competitors, male bodybuilders can experience the same effects, but to a very different degree. Picture a male bodybuilder that bulks up to 300 in the offseason but has to diet down to 250 on stage. That's a 17% reduction in weight. Basal metabolism will begin to drop whenever there's a 10% reduction in weight, so this bodybuilder is going to be slowing his metabolism a bit as he diets.

If, however, he dirty bulked, he probably has to deal with anabolic resistance, too. If he repeats the dirty bulking process again post-contest, he's reinforcing the increased fat storage and anabolic resistance that he experienced before. This will make it harder and harder for him to diet for each contest, and each time he bulks up he'll be less and less likely to put on any new muscle. He might not be experiencing metabolic damage in the classical sense, but metabolically he's causing a lot of things to go wrong.


You Can't Get Away With It
All right, I hear you yelling. Bodybuilders have bulked up and cut down for shows for decades, and more than a few Mr. Olympias did it successfully as well. And you're not wrong. It would be silly to say the approach doesn't work because it clearly has. However, what you don't hear about are the thousands of guys who bulked up and got too fat, messed up their insulin sensitivity, and never really reached their true potential in either size or conditioning.

Consider also the guys that started out with a bang and looked amazing in one or two shows, but were never able to repeat that level of conditioning or fullness again and faded from the spotlight. Many of these guys beat me over the years and ended up doing nothing as pros, which always made me all that more irritated. Like I said before, what the absolute top guys do is often the result of what they can get away with because of their genetics. It's not necessarily a model for everyone else to follow. If you want competitive longevity, you have to take a more thorough and thought-out approach.

So the decision to bulk up or not bulk up boils down to knowing your body. You need a calorie surplus to build muscle, and it's hard to eat just enough to build muscle without some fat gain. However, gaining five pounds of fat to gain one pound of muscle is a bad idea. As I've shown, you're more likely to lose that pound of muscle because of trying to diet that five pounds of fat off.


The Bottom Line
I don't see any reason for most guys to get above 12% body fat. Personally, I prefer to stay under 10%. Ultimately, it will depend on where you start to lose insulin sensitivity – you'll know you're there as pumps will decrease and your muscles will start looking soft. If that happens, take it as a sign to end your bulk.

cog
15-04-2014, 09:45 PM
Another great article by John Meadows!

P


The Bulking Diet Delusion
by John Meadows   Today
Meadows-back
Here's what you need to know...

•  When you bulk up and body fat rises, you gradually decrease insulin sensitivity, impeding muscle growth.

•  The more overweight you are, the more you change your physiology to favor fat storage over muscle growth.

•  Most people who bulk will store fat in just one area, like the belly or love handles, making it tougher and tougher to lean that area out.

•  Bulkers sometimes experience ectopic fat storage. Because the body is being flooded with excess calories, glucose, and triglycerides, it'll begin storing the excess not just in adipose tissue, but in the muscles themselves, giving a soft appearance to the muscles.

•  Most males don't need to get above 12% body fat to gain muscle optimally.

•  You need a calorie surplus to build muscle and it's extremely hard to eat just enough to build muscle without some fat gain. However, gaining five pounds of fat to gain one pound of muscle is a bad idea.

Back when I started training, guys would spend the off-season "bulking." The rules were simple: Eat every two to three hours and always eat until full. While "clean" foods like chicken and brown rice were the ideal, no one was docked points for sneaking in a pizza during the post workout "window of opportunity." As long as the number on the scale was growing, that was all that mattered. Scale weight became the metric by which you judged the success of a bulk.

It usually wasn't a pretty process. Let's say you decided to bulk up to 250 pounds by Christmas. Pants fitting tight at 235? That's why they make those blue stretch pants that Wal-Mart shoppers wear! Keep eating. Can't fit into your suits at 240? See if your boss will let you make every day casual Friday! Keep eating. Eventually you reach your goal. The scale says 250 pounds. You win.

But did you really win? You gained 30 or 40 or even 50 pounds in four or five months. You might have a bigger bench and squat – not to mention chipmunk cheeks and a nice, tight, low back that barks even when you do a single rep of tying your shoelaces, but are you any better? I don't think so.

First, building muscle – actual, contractile muscle tissue – is a painstakingly slow process for any lifter past the beginner or newbie phase. For an experienced lifter, a gain of 1-2 pounds a month of pure muscle would be excellent. It adds up to 10 pounds or more in a single off-season. However, only a scant few bodybuilders can gain muscle at such a rate, and 10 pounds is a far cry from the 40 or 50 pounds you slapped on during your bulk.

Furthermore, when you bulk up and body fat levels rise, you can gradually decrease insulin sensitivity, which can actually impede muscle growth. Insulin is actually a signaling protein for both muscle and fat cells to utilize amino acids and glucose. Ideally, insulin-sensitive muscle cells will readily absorb glucose and amino acids when insulin "signals" them to open. With increased body fat, though, comes increased levels of insulin, and this can desensitize muscle cells to insulin's signaling effects.

If you decrease insulin sensitivity, your muscle won't use glucose and amino acids as efficiently, and since it's metabolically less expensive to store fat, your body will convert more of the excess calories into body fat. The more overweight you are, the more you change your physiology to favor fat storage over muscle recovery and growth.

This physiological phenomenon where protein synthesis is inhibited and fat storage is elevated is referred to as anabolic resistance, and it's the last thing you want as a bodybuilder. Subsequently, the further along you are in your off-season (i.e., the fatter you get), the more likely it is that any excess nutrients you eat are being stored in your butt and gut – not your quads and biceps. And, the less likely it is that your training is leading to any actual muscle growth.

Of course, there are always outliers. I know guys who can gain 50-plus pounds in an off-season and just get bigger all around. At worst they'll lose their veins and maybe get chipmunk cheeks. Exceptions don't make rules however, and simply because the top guys can "get away" with a bulking strategy doesn't make it a sound option for the majority of us who are less genetically gifted.


Brand New Fat Cells, Accelerated Fat Storage
John Meadows
Another really troublesome aspect to bulking is that regular mortals will store most of their fat in just one unsightly area, like the belly or love handles. Not only is this extremely unhealthy (fat around the abdomen is directly correlated with heart disease and hypertension), it can lead to the creation of new fat cells that make it even harder to diet down once bulking ends. This process is called adipogenesis, and it occurs during periods of intense weight gain and calorie surplus.

When someone is doing heavy-duty bulking, the excess calories all get eventually converted to glucose, which is essentially sugar. Glucose gets used by both muscle and fat cells for energy usage and storage. When glucose levels are continuously high though, and you have more than you need for just your muscles, all that excess glucose will be stored as fat. This is why hard and fast "dirty" bulking rarely leads to large increases in muscle. Past a certain body fat point, you're simply accelerating fat storage.

Over time then, as bulking is repeated, you're actually fattening up the same parts of your body over and over again. This makes for a total bitch of a diet – if it's already hard to whittle away at that one area, adding even more fat there means you should prepare for 12 weeks of hell. Even worse, the higher your body fat levels climb, the greater the possibility of it leading to anabolic resistance. Getting that stubborn area down will likely hurt other areas too, and actually make them appear emaciated. Consequently, it can negate any muscle gains.

To make matters worse, bulkers can experience another phenomenon known as ectopic fat storage. Because the body is being flooded with excess calories, glucose, and triglycerides, it'll begin storing the excess not just in adipose tissue, but in the muscles themselves. This is called intramuscular triglyceride storage. This is what often contributes to dirty bulkers having a soft appearance to their muscles.

It's not just cosmetic, though. This intramuscular fat can also inhibit protein synthesis and subsequent muscle growth. Everyone's likely seen the occasional bodybuilder that got huge in the off-season but somehow lost all his soft gains when he dieted back down, and ectopic fat storage is partially responsible for that happening.

Let's add another wrinkle. Getting fat over and over again can make getting leaner more difficult each time. If you get too fat and then have to kill yourself to diet down, the body will hang onto fat that much harder the next time you diet. This particular phenomenon is somewhat related to the metabolic damage concept of reducing basal metabolism over and over again to the point where weight loss is nearly impossible and weight gain can be caused by even the slightest of calorie surpluses.

While metabolic damage is often associated with female competitors, male bodybuilders can experience the same effects, but to a very different degree. Picture a male bodybuilder that bulks up to 300 in the offseason but has to diet down to 250 on stage. That's a 17% reduction in weight. Basal metabolism will begin to drop whenever there's a 10% reduction in weight, so this bodybuilder is going to be slowing his metabolism a bit as he diets.

If, however, he dirty bulked, he probably has to deal with anabolic resistance, too. If he repeats the dirty bulking process again post-contest, he's reinforcing the increased fat storage and anabolic resistance that he experienced before. This will make it harder and harder for him to diet for each contest, and each time he bulks up he'll be less and less likely to put on any new muscle. He might not be experiencing metabolic damage in the classical sense, but metabolically he's causing a lot of things to go wrong.


You Can't Get Away With It
All right, I hear you yelling. Bodybuilders have bulked up and cut down for shows for decades, and more than a few Mr. Olympias did it successfully as well. And you're not wrong. It would be silly to say the approach doesn't work because it clearly has. However, what you don't hear about are the thousands of guys who bulked up and got too fat, messed up their insulin sensitivity, and never really reached their true potential in either size or conditioning.

Consider also the guys that started out with a bang and looked amazing in one or two shows, but were never able to repeat that level of conditioning or fullness again and faded from the spotlight. Many of these guys beat me over the years and ended up doing nothing as pros, which always made me all that more irritated. Like I said before, what the absolute top guys do is often the result of what they can get away with because of their genetics. It's not necessarily a model for everyone else to follow. If you want competitive longevity, you have to take a more thorough and thought-out approach.

So the decision to bulk up or not bulk up boils down to knowing your body. You need a calorie surplus to build muscle, and it's hard to eat just enough to build muscle without some fat gain. However, gaining five pounds of fat to gain one pound of muscle is a bad idea. As I've shown, you're more likely to lose that pound of muscle because of trying to diet that five pounds of fat off.


The Bottom Line
I don't see any reason for most guys to get above 12% body fat. Personally, I prefer to stay under 10%. Ultimately, it will depend on where you start to lose insulin sensitivity – you'll know you're there as pumps will decrease and your muscles will start looking soft. If that happens, take it as a sign to end your bulk.

Great article,starting to like Meadows again:)Did Mentzer ever appear bulked up?

TT Eric
16-04-2014, 09:06 AM
Pretty much exactly what you were telling us since a long time!

He said adding 10lbs is an excellent year (I bet it is), so for a natty, am I right to say an excellent year would be adding 5-6lbs ?

Eric

Primal
16-04-2014, 01:08 PM
Pretty much exactly what you were telling us since a long time!

He said adding 10lbs is an excellent year (I bet it is), so for a natty, am I right to say an excellent year would be adding 5-6lbs ?

Eric

^^ Yeah that's a good question that I want to hear the answer too as well Eric! I've also got another question too, when I first started out last year, I was 150-ish and in the course of about 8 months I got myself up to 200 lbs which is where I am at now. However I did this as a 'dirty bulk'. I tried to eat clean and I think I did well for the most part, but there was just no way that I could gain that much weight eating clean while finishing school. So if I guess what I am asking is, if I decide to bulk up again later, is it alright if I do a small 'dirty bulk' again but not go over 12% body fat? When I say dirty bulk I mean about 70% good foods (veggies, meats and healthy fats) and 30% dirty (ice cream, cake, potato chips e.t.c).

Also, Prae, I was wondering what your opinion was on cheat meals, junk food e.t.c. Do you have an off season, and if so, do you ever have any foods that wouldn't fit you diet? Or sometimes, do you ever have a cheat meal on say, a weekend just to keep your sanity? I know other people who say that when they diet, once a week they will have a small serving of ice cream for one meal. Not sure if this is true or not however.

-Primal

Praetorian
16-04-2014, 05:41 PM
Pretty much exactly what you were telling us since a long time!

He said adding 10lbs is an excellent year (I bet it is), so for a natty, am I right to say an excellent year would be adding 5-6lbs ?

Eric

5-6lbs of muscle in one year for a trained natty is phenomenal!!

P

Praetorian
16-04-2014, 05:45 PM
^^ Yeah that's a good question that I want to hear the answer too as well Eric! I've also got another question too, when I first started out last year, I was 150-ish and in the course of about 8 months I got myself up to 200 lbs which is where I am at now. However I did this as a 'dirty bulk'. I tried to eat clean and I think I did well for the most part, but there was just no way that I could gain that much weight eating clean while finishing school. So if I guess what I am asking is, if I decide to bulk up again later, is it alright if I do a small 'dirty bulk' again but not go over 12% body fat? When I say dirty bulk I mean about 70% good foods (veggies, meats and healthy fats) and 30% dirty (ice cream, cake, potato chips e.t.c).

Also, Prae, I was wondering what your opinion was on cheat meals, junk food e.t.c. Do you have an off season, and if so, do you ever have any foods that wouldn't fit you diet? Or sometimes, do you ever have a cheat meal on say, a weekend just to keep your sanity? I know other people who say that when they diet, once a week they will have a small serving of ice cream for one meal. Not sure if this is true or not however.

-Primal


There is no such thing as a small dirty bulk...either you are trying to gain lean muscle or you arent period. If you are that also doesnt mean you cant eat certain foods or have a cheat meal here or there. What it does mean is you are striving to stay say below 12% while gaining a maximum amount of muscle. I have a cheat meal usually every sat and sun off season and never go above 12%...I also do low intensit cardio off season abut 4-5 times per week 20min or so....not a whole lot really but it keeps fat in check.

P

Praetorian
16-04-2014, 05:56 PM
Great article,starting to like Meadows again:)Did Mentzer ever appear bulked up?

Never saw Mentzer all that fat except in the later years after he stopped competing.

P

TT Eric
17-04-2014, 09:04 AM
5-6lbs of muscle in one year for a trained natty is phenomenal!!

P

Oh... how much do you see normally for someone who train hard ?

Eric

Praetorian
17-04-2014, 09:00 PM
For a trained natty 2lbs would b doing very well. You have to remember the longer you train the harder the gains become.

P

steve_d
17-04-2014, 09:54 PM
For a trained natty 2lbs would b doing very well. You have to remember the longer you train the harder the gains become.

P

agree on that. first 1-2 years a natty can gain 5-10 pounds or more. keep training 10 years consistently and at that point anything >1 pound is outstanding. Imagine gaining 5-6 pounds consistently for 10 years. That's 50 pounds. Another 10 years, another 50 pounds. No one is gaining that much naturally. I would argue that if you start training in your twenties, you will never put on 50 pounds of pure muscle naturally. I am not talking about a bulk when you're gaining 50 pounds and most of it is water or fat... I am talking stage weight, pure lean tissue

I'd argue that 5-6 pounds is outstanding even not natural. If it were typical, you'd see guys jumping weight classes every year or 2 until they hit super heavy at 5'6 shredded. Not many people can do that, and most people (who have been training for a while) struggle to jump a weight class in 5 years unless they show up softer. (or weigh in before they peed all night!)

TT Eric
17-04-2014, 09:58 PM
Ouf, pretty discouraging, I hope to beat the odds in the long run.

I started back training 3 years ago, I dunno how much I gained this first year as I did not get my LBM evaluated at that time, those would (re)count as newbie gain anyway.

The second year I gained 6lbs (the guy who evaluated me said it was awesome. And I will get this year tested right after the diet. I think I did well, maybe better since I responded very well using your method along with the routine I posted a while back... (lower volume/higher frequency). In my impression I made nice gains. But we will see later if dreamed bubbles or actually had a good year.

I guess when I read 5-6lbs per year, it was not about natural bodybuilder.

Thanks for the info Ted.

Eric

TT Eric
17-04-2014, 10:10 PM
agree on that. first 1-2 years a natty can gain 5-10 pounds or more. keep training 10 years consistently and at that point anything >1 pound is outstanding. Imagine gaining 5-6 pounds consistently for 10 years. That's 50 pounds. Another 10 years, another 50 pounds. No one is gaining that much naturally. I would argue that if you start training in your twenties, you will never put on 50 pounds of pure muscle naturally. I am not talking about a bulk when you're gaining 50 pounds and most of it is water or fat... I am talking stage weight, pure lean tissue

I'd argue that 5-6 pounds is outstanding even not natural. If it were typical, you'd see guys jumping weight classes every year or 2 until they hit super heavy at 5'6 shredded. Not many people can do that, and most people (who have been training for a while) struggle to jump a weight class in 5 years unless they show up softer. (or weigh in before they peed all night!)

Yeah I hear you, thanks Steve. I miss the newbie gain, I started training at 13 y/o, but when I joined an actual real gym and got instructed how to train properly at 16y/o I went from 145lbs to 185lbs in a few months, it was insane! Then the gain were very slow, I eventually went up to 205lbs fairly lean (much more then I am actually). Then I quit for 20 years (except for a few failed comeback attempts). And here I am re-starting all over, but with more experience, since I can avoid mistakes I made in the past and already know from experience how my body react in certain occasion.

Eric

Praetorian
18-04-2014, 10:54 PM
Ouf, pretty discouraging, I hope to beat the odds in the long run.

I started back training 3 years ago, I dunno how much I gained this first year as I did not get my LBM evaluated at that time, those would (re)count as newbie gain anyway.

The second year I gained 6lbs (the guy who evaluated me said it was awesome. And I will get this year tested right after the diet. I think I did well, maybe better since I responded very well using your method along with the routine I posted a while back... (lower volume/higher frequency). In my impression I made nice gains. But we will see later if dreamed bubbles or actually had a good year.

I guess when I read 5-6lbs per year, it was not about natural bodybuilder.

Thanks for the info Ted.

Eric

If you look at most enhanced pro BB who have trained for some significant time they are not putting on 5-6lbs of muscle per year and not only are they enhanced but they have some serious genetics so to think a natty is going to even come close to that is really absurd. I have seen some serious changes in some trained guys but mostly because their training and nutrition really sucked prior to making a serious change and improving both dramatically.

P

TT Eric
18-04-2014, 11:38 PM
I understand that the longer you train the harder the gains become.

Just to clarify, when I said that I hope to beat the odds in the long run, I did not meant that I was going to put 5-6lbs per year for 10 years in a row, in 10 years I'll be 53y/o, it would be a huge utopia to think I could put on 5lbs/year at this age, what I should have said is that I HOPE I'll have a few good years (better then usual) before I begin to struggle to gain 1-2lbs per year. In the back of my mind I was thinking about me wanting to compete again in 2-3 years, so if I only add 1-2lbs per year till then, it won't be enough to get where I want to be.

Eric

Praetorian
19-04-2014, 11:19 PM
I would worry about numbers Eric...I would just enjoy the process and push your limits as much as you can.

P

cog
20-04-2014, 08:39 PM
I understand that the longer you train the harder the gains become.

Just to clarify, when I said that I hope to beat the odds in the long run, I did not meant that I was going to put 5-6lbs per year for 10 years in a row, in 10 years I'll be 53y/o, it would be a huge utopia to think I could put on 5lbs/year at this age, what I should have said is that I HOPE I'll have a few good years (better then usual) before I begin to struggle to gain 1-2lbs per year. In the back of my mind I was thinking about me wanting to compete again in 2-3 years, so if I only add 1-2lbs per year till then, it won't be enough to get where I want to be.

Eric

Eric,does the devil ever whisper in your ear?:)

TT Eric
20-04-2014, 09:02 PM
Hahaha, no but I can admit I came really close to use when I was 17, all the guys I knew in the gym who were competing were using and also a few friends, but then I decided it was no for me and stood my ground over the time, this is my path. At least today there is natural competitions I can go, even if a few guys might be cheating.

Eric