My import was seized… AGAIN!

[Bigr]

For the second time in 4 months I’ve had customs take an order. I’m not worried about my name since I take precautions. But the cost of lost shipments is crazy. Training without help also sucks. :(

[guest]

switch to creatine. it works and its legal!

[tarnow]

Same address?

[IronRobi]

A risk you take when importing. Consider yourself lucky that all they've done is seize the order, not come knocking on your door

[Kronis]

Same source both times? If so, find one with better packing.

[Felinecougar]

Keep your house clean.

[lambchops]

heres hoping my shit goes through.

[Kiem]

Looks like things are tight this summer. I ordered some Melanotan II and it didn't make it though.

[pseclint]

go domestic..... good luck

[gustavo77]

Keep your house clean.

Bump, you can never be to careful.

[applesauce]

why even bother ordering international?

more than enough good domestic stores to order from

[BolicPower]

This is true, min of everythird pack is to be inspected, and foil is defanatily a big no no. Customs WILL see and open,
If your source is dumb enough to use same return names it's as good as gone, they keep records at all couriers and will check right away. way to risky now a days, this is why prices are so high

[BolicPower]

People order international cause it's cheaper plain and simple , and your chances to get in is same as a UG, getting shit from china, so prob best to get your own if you can afford to do it, ive talked to few memember with storys on labs that still order from china and not good, seizers are lots

[slick rick]

I have no clue on how to read that. come again


People order internation cause it's cheaper plain and simple , and your chances to get in is same as a UG, no most UG's as getting shit from china, so prob best to get your own, ive talked to few memember with storys on labs that still order from china and not good

[Big D]

why even bother ordering international?

more than enough good domestic stores to order from

its probbably the only source he has, sometimes its hard to find a source international, dont know who to pm or talk to. etc..

[St]

why even bother ordering international?

more than enough good domestic stores to order from


Yes very true not worth the risk,i lost out on some coin 10 years ago.

[gustavo77]

That sucks to hear about your packs bro. Might have to just go natural for a while.

[guest]

lol...

what are you trying to do? ridiculous.

[gustavo77]

what are you trying to do? ridiculous.

Nothing bro, I just thought that comment was funny, that;s all. My apologies.

[simon85]

I ordered 3mg of lr3 yesterday. It's been shipped. We'll see if it get through!

I'll let you know.

[hommer_j]

this is a very bad time of year to be making an international order. for best results only order in the winter. i've only had one pack out of well.......a few seized ordering this way.

[Freebsd1977]

... and now some customs officer will get huge on your money.

[BolicPower]

I ordered 3mg of lr3 yesterday. It's been shipped. We'll see if it get through!

I'll let you know.
it's hit and miss, some will make it, most wont

[AlbertaBeef]

I found Int'l ordering wasn't that much cheaper, by the time I paid the exchange which was way over the rate and gave Hadji a fortune for Western Union at the Quickie Mart I was broke.

Only time I had seizures when ordering Int'l was when it came registered, I rec'd all unregistered just fine amps or tabs. I think if it's registered customs thinks it's worth something and want to get their greedy hands on it so they can tax it and charge a handling fee and so on.

[Mr Ontario]

Common sense prevails....if your stupid enough to order overseas at a time like this you deserve to lose your $$. But a post like this is a good way to solicit for a new local source :)

[nisser]

ths is bad time to order anything international, as saying goes, ONLY spend what you can afford to loose. IF you buying gear online, it's very dangerous, LE isnt' stupid

The very robust rec drug trade here in Western Canada disagrees with you :P

[Mr Ontario]

Ya...but we don't talk recreational anything on this board!


The very robust rec drug trade here in Western Canada disagrees with you :P

[simon85]

it's hit and miss, some will make it, most wont

If the customs seized it, I have a full refund. That's in the FAQ. So I can't lose anything.

[Canadian Bodybuilding]

At this point, ordering international is very risky :(

[guest]

If the customs seized it, I have a full refund. That's in the FAQ. So I can't lose anything.

sometimes they honor it, sometimes they dont. more often than not, they dont. esp the euros.

here's a scenario, a 'friend' of mine a couple of years ago, took him over 6 months for gensci to come good on a seized pack. it was insured but they were ignoring his emails. had to call a favor in with someone who had pull with them to make it finally happen.

that is unless you were joking. in that case...that's hilarious.

[simon85]

sometimes they honor it, sometimes they dont. more often than not, they dont. esp the euros.

here's a scenario, a 'friend' of mine a couple of years ago, took him over 6 months for gensci to come good on a seized pack. it was insured but they were ignoring his emails. had to call a favor in with someone who had pull with them to make it finally happen.

that is unless you were joking. in that case...that's hilarious.

It's from a US based company (RP, research chem)

I paid with Visa. So if anything goes wrong, I can refuse to pay. I have a tracking. It should be there by Friday

[Bigr]

why even bother ordering international?

more than enough good domestic stores to order from

Dude, you make it sound like domestic sources are as common as 7-11’s. If it were that easy....

[Bigr]

Bump, you can never be to careful.

Yeah, plenty of precautions so I’m not worried about any door knocking and such. It just blows me away. Before Raw Deal I never lost a shipment. Since then, it's been tougher.

[shithead]

First rule of thumb, do not order illegal drugs with credit cards. Especially from the USA.

[simon85]

First rule of thumb, do not order illegal drugs with credit cards. Especially from the USA.

yeah. But in my case, lr3 is legal because I use it for research purposes

[spiderman7]

The shit I order from china always comes thru. My guy has been swift so far.

[simon85]

The shit I order from china always comes thru. My guy has been swift so far.

good to know!

[physique]

for u guys that dont have sources in canada. just go to the gym, and ask the biggest mofo in there. even buying thru a gym rat will be cheaper then loosing your shipments to customs.

[Stonewald Rockwater]

undercover agents lurk in the gym and on message boards

[Kiem]

undercover agents lurk in the gym and on message boards


The gym part is being overly paranoid. They got better things to do then hang out at the gym.

[IronRobi]

for u guys that dont have sources in canada. just go to the gym, and ask the biggest mofo in there. even buying thru a gym rat will be cheaper then loosing your shipments to customs.

Normally a good plan! Backfires at my gym where the biggest/strongest guy i've ever seen and met in my life is all-natural hahaha Powerlifters... they're just crazy :p

[Mr Ontario]

IronRobi buys his shit on the street corner where all the hookers hang out :)


Normally a good plan! Backfires at my gym where the biggest/strongest guy i've ever seen and met in my life is all-natural hahaha Powerlifters... they're just crazy :p

[Stonewald Rockwater]

The gym part is being overly paranoid. They got better things to do then hang out at the gym.


oh no it isnt. my gym was infiltrated by an undercover, two actually. pretended they were training partners. lol

[IronRobi]

IronRobi buys his shit on the street corner where all the hookers hang out :)

Best way to do it!

Spend $250 - get a free tug
Spend $500 - free blow
Spend $1000 - get the std of your choice!!

Best way to take care of 2 needs at once! :pb

[lambchops]

for u guys that dont have sources in canada. just go to the gym, and ask the biggest mofo in there. even buying thru a gym rat will be cheaper then loosing your shipments to customs.

i tried this. he told me to f off :( i was nice about it too.

[physique]

oh no it isnt. my gym was infiltrated by an undercover, two actually. pretended they were training partners. lol

this would only be if they guy was a HUGE source. and most gym rats arent massive sources like the guys you know that got nailed.

[simon85]

**** yeah. I received my LR3 in 3 days.

[Big D]

LOL ,,,, you showed everybody ahah

[Big D]

i tried this. he told me to f off :( i was nice about it too.

dont worry man you must of received about 100 pm's by now :bch

[lambchops]

dont worry man you must of received about 100 pm's by now :bch

from scammers :puff

[D-S]

Order the australian Gropep IGF that some of the US companies have, its the best stuff i've tried...I know people dont like premixed, but its worth a try...I only ever have problems getting the lypolized powder ones through customs

[White T]

I've only ever tried ordering through a research chem site once, about 3 years ago, and the order was seized at customs (i think it was for nolva and arimidex). i received a phone call from customs informing me my package was seized and was going to be destroyed, but nothing ever came of it. I did get a refund thankfully, and have been lerious to try again.. worst part is I'm paranoid to use gear without anti-e's and it seems like next to impossible to find them in canada (except maybe nolva which is everywhere). I'm waiting for a canadian site to pop up

[nisser]

One time I ordered research chems (nolva + clomid)from an overseas pharmacy - was an actual pharmacy with HG stuff. Customs opened it up, went through it but still let it through :P

[White T]

Maybe customs discriminates more towards these chems coming from the USA rather than overseas?

[nisser]

Maybe customs discriminates more towards these chems coming from the USA rather than overseas?

Not sure but they were nicely packaged just like any HG tablets so it may have thrown the officer off.

[shithead]

Just dont have the receivers' name as Mahmoud.

[lambchops]

I'm waiting for a canadian site to pop up

:flagC

[Mr Ontario]

You trying to say Customs discriminates?


Just dont have the receivers' name as Mahmoud.

[White T]

Ok.. this could be a long shot.. but I am very lerious of customs. This is why: As I said before, I had a package of research chems confiscated at customs about 4 years ago..followed by a phone call stating that they were illegal to import and would be destroyed. I never heard from customs again. About 2 years after that, I was on a return trip from overseas (asia), and I was randomly(?) selected at YVR to be checked in customs. Let me tell you, I have never been so disrepected and made to feel like a criminal in my own country..EVER. Everything I had packaged was torn apart, and my belongings (nothing illegal whatsoever), were thoroughly searched, we're talking unscrewing deoderant caps, emptying shampoo bottles, the works. After 2 hours of finding absolutly nothing and disrespectful grilling by the customs agent, I was fined $200 for not declaring that I was importing meat....(I had some powdered curry which can be purchased here in canada, with perhaps some traces of beef in the powder, that I was bringing back with me). So if you really want to be 'by the books', then I guess I'm guilty..but while I was standing their humiliated, the guy in the line beside me walks up and the other custom agent says "what are these?" and he says "those are just pirate dvd's from thailand" and he's good to go..used the word "pirate" and absolutly nothing.. mannnnnn was I ever choked..missed my connecting flight because of this.. I never thought of it at the time..but in hindsight maybe, just MAYBE, they somehow had my name flagged as having tried to import illegal goods in my past, and singled me out because of this. Who knows.. I don't feel much like going through that ever again in my life though!

[Mr Ontario]

Thats what happens after 911

As for Asia..who knows what your bringing back disease wise. If you could buy here why bring such stuff back?

As for the other guy...he probably had kiddy porn on it and they never even looked!


Ok.. this could be a long shot.. but I am very lerious of customs. This is why: As I said before, I had a package of research chems confiscated at customs about 4 years ago..followed by a phone call stating that they were illegal to import and would be destroyed. I never heard from customs again. About 2 years after that, I was on a return trip from overseas (asia), and I was randomly(?) selected at YVR to be checked in customs. Let me tell you, I have never been so disrepected and made to feel like a criminal in my own country..EVER. Everything I had packaged was torn apart, and my belongings (nothing illegal whatsoever), were thoroughly searched, we're talking unscrewing deoderant caps, emptying shampoo bottles, the works. After 2 hours of finding absolutly nothing and disrespectful grilling by the customs agent, I was fined $200 for not declaring that I was importing meat....(I had some powdered curry which can be purchased here in canada, with perhaps some traces of beef in the powder, that I was bringing back with me). So if you really want to be 'by the books', then I guess I'm guilty..but while I was standing their humiliated, the guy in the line beside me walks up and the other custom agent says "what are these?" and he says "those are just pirate dvd's from thailand" and he's good to go..used the word "pirate" and absolutly nothing.. mannnnnn was I ever choked..missed my connecting flight because of this.. I never thought of it at the time..but in hindsight maybe, just MAYBE, they somehow had my name flagged as having tried to import illegal goods in my past, and singled me out because of this. Who knows.. I don't feel much like going through that ever again in my life though!

[RagingRandy]

Ok.. this could be a long shot.. but I am very lerious of customs. This is why: As I said before, I had a package of research chems confiscated at customs about 4 years ago..followed by a phone call stating that they were illegal to import and would be destroyed. I never heard from customs again. About 2 years after that, I was on a return trip from overseas (asia), and I was randomly(?) selected at YVR to be checked in customs. Let me tell you, I have never been so disrepected and made to feel like a criminal in my own country..EVER. Everything I had packaged was torn apart, and my belongings (nothing illegal whatsoever), were thoroughly searched, we're talking unscrewing deoderant caps, emptying shampoo bottles, the works. After 2 hours of finding absolutly nothing and disrespectful grilling by the customs agent, I was fined $200 for not declaring that I was importing meat....(I had some powdered curry which can be purchased here in canada, with perhaps some traces of beef in the powder, that I was bringing back with me). So if you really want to be 'by the books', then I guess I'm guilty..but while I was standing their humiliated, the guy in the line beside me walks up and the other custom agent says "what are these?" and he says "those are just pirate dvd's from thailand" and he's good to go..used the word "pirate" and absolutly nothing.. mannnnnn was I ever choked..missed my connecting flight because of this.. I never thought of it at the time..but in hindsight maybe, just MAYBE, they somehow had my name flagged as having tried to import illegal goods in my past, and singled me out because of this. Who knows.. I don't feel much like going through that ever again in my life though!

I feel your pain. I was torn down by customs once. It was one of the worst experiences of my life. They even wanted to see the pics on my camera. The word disrespect does not even come close to how I was treated. It was sickening to be treated this way with no evidence that I had done anything wrong. Which of course, I had not.

[White T]

Mr Ontario..I could understand the concern if I was returning from the majority of asian countries..but I was only in Japan.. how much safer could a country be? But I understand where you're coming from :)

Randy I know *exactly* how you felt.. What a terrible experience.. Power tripping customs agents.. just want that memory to disappear from my mind

[tony_canuck]

i think people should get back to stopping real crimes like terrorism, child porn, murders etc....this whole thing about a guy trying to get in shape is a 'criminal' is so retarded it blows my mind! why not criminalize plastic surgery? girls get boob jobs for vanity, some guys take gear for vanity too.....all i know, my buddies from the gym are all solid people, with jobs, families and NOT criminals!

[RagingRandy]

i think people should get back to stopping real crimes like terrorism, child porn, murders etc....this whole thing about a guy trying to get in shape is a 'criminal' is so retarded it blows my mind! why not criminalize plastic surgery? girls get boob jobs for vanity, some guys take gear for vanity too.....all i know, my buddies from the gym are all solid people, with jobs, families and NOT criminals!

Too bad you were not born a girl who decided she wanted to be a man. You would have your gear paid for by OHIP.

[xxSCHiSMxx]

First rule of thumb, do not order illegal drugs with credit cards. Especially from the USA.
QFT ... This should be a no brainer, but it does happen. >.<

If you do some research, google this, that, do some reading. Check out some various board sponsors, you can find an international source that will do their best to make sure you receive your package.

A lot of legit international sources have very low, or no minimum order. You can slowly gather supplies w/ little financial risk. A lot of international sources will also 'resend' w/ proof of seizure. From my personal experience, Canada Customs does not always send seizure notice tho.

You also gotta worry bout laws regarding importing, and whatnot. It's a risk some ppl gotta take tho. Your domestic source may call it a day, or you may never of had one to begin with.

good luck.

[DaBigLB]

For all of you people with legit sources.... I envy you... I have been looking for months (infact I got ripped off ordering from overseas)... and I can't find a local one.. so I guess its all natural for me...yay me... I still can't believe that its illegal to want to look good...bs I tell you bs....

[BolicPower]

No one has legit sources. They mean the store source. it's illegal

[White T]

DaBigLB.. Finding gear should be pretty easy for you.. ask around at the gym or at some of the smaller, more local supplement shops, but be discreet and professional about it. The real problem you should have, which I myself am facing, is finding anti-e's, which I definitely want to have before starting using anything... that is the real dilemma

[DaBigLB]

again...sorry for being a noob, but I don't really get the lingo.. what are anti-e's? and I never considered asking at a supplement shop, I guess I'm too much of a chicken shit...

[xxSCHiSMxx]

For all of you people with legit sources.... I envy you... I have been looking for months (infact I got ripped off ordering from overseas)... and I can't find a local one.. so I guess its all natural for me...yay me... I still can't believe that its illegal to want to look good...bs I tell you bs....

Nice. 1st post on the topic of 'sources'. hehe. It can be tough.

It can take some patient, try posting in the intrudution forum 1st perhaps. 1st posts on the topic of 'sources' can make ppl uneasy, perhaps.

Anyways, if you gotta drop coin overseas, don't do anything like send $500 @ once. Most online 'stores' are complete scams/selective scammers. Ask around, get some advice from ppl you can trust.


is finding anti-e's, which I definitely want to have before starting using anything... that is the real dilemma
In my experience, I found the opposite to be true. Soo many online 'reasearch' supply companies selling ancillaries.

Google FTW

[DaBigLB]

there's an introduction section??? see told you I was new at this... thanks for the advise... sorry if I made anyone feel "uneasy"..

[Mr Ontario]

No don't ask at the Facking supplement shop for Christ's sake..you will look like a bigger nob!


again...sorry for being a noob, but I don't really get the lingo.. what are anti-e's? and I never considered asking at a supplement shop, I guess I'm too much of a chicken shit...

[RagingRandy]

again...sorry for being a noob, but I don't really get the lingo.. what are anti-e's? and I never considered asking at a supplement shop, I guess I'm too much of a chicken shit...

If you do not know what anti-e means you had better do a few months of research or you will seriously mess yourself up.

[xxSCHiSMxx]

If you do not know what anti-e means you had better do a few months of research or you will seriously mess yourself up.
QFT ...

moobs are dead sexy. :P .. ladies love 'em.

[Mr Ontario]

Bitch tits/gyno


If you do not know what anti-e means you had better do a few months of research or you will seriously mess yourself up.

[White T]

In my experience, I found the opposite to be true. Soo many online 'reasearch' supply companies selling ancillaries.

Google FTW

In our country? Because it seems like orders from outside Canada are all being seized...

[xxSCHiSMxx]

Sorry, don't know of Domestic. Used 'research' grade ancillaries in the past, never had problem w/ customs tho, guess I was lucky that way. I did little research first.

Used a sponsor from several other boards, emailed them about CND orders. Posted in the forums, and asked for advice from Canadian members. All replies were good, all Canadians were happy.

You can not beat domestic, but sometimes, desperate times, desperate measures. Do a little research, emailing, posting first.

Good luck

[BolicPower]

anti's are a must i belive, just to be safe, anything over 750mg test i'll start taking .Plus it helps with water in body.

[lambchops]

its sad how easy it is to get drugs like mj, crack, e, etc. but if you want something to help improve your physical and metal well being its a ****ing treasure hunt

[ManInTheBox]

its sad how easy it is to get drugs like mj, crack, e, etc. but if you want something to help improve your physical and metal well being its a ****ing treasure hunt

LOL. Actually, I was discussing the irony of this topic the other day with a friend of mine. I noted how trivial the effort is to acquire something truly dangerous and ****ed-up like heroin, while finding an anabolic source is akin to finding a needle in a haystack.

There just isn't a huge market for anabolics - simple fact. Of all my college buddies, only two of us juice although all of us smoke - er - have tried, weed :)

I imagine the same is indicative of the rest of society.

[Bigr]

Agreed. Very frustrating. I think the key to this buiz is knowing people. If you were in the domestic market before the chaos erupted last year, you’re probably still good. Unfortunately, those of us who used the market south of the boarder are left scrambling. Things are just going to get worse. Even research chemicals and non-schedule items are being stopped. It’s crazy.

[xxSCHiSMxx]

Yeah, can be frustrating. If there is a demand, there will be a supply. Where there's a will, there is a way. Customs can't open every pack crossing border, nothing would move. Packages originating from certain Countries prolly lot more likely to be checked.

[White T]

For all of you that are suggesting to stay domestic I fully agree with you.. but in your opinions, is it really that easy to find a domestic source? Seems like the vast majority have to risk ordering from out of country due to a lack of research chem sites / products in canada.. thoughts?

[drdnj]

One time I ordered research chems (nolva + clomid)from an overseas pharmacy - was an actual pharmacy with HG stuff. Customs opened it up, went through it but still let it through :P

Same thing with me....ordered 20 (YES TWENTY) 10ml sustaplex 325 from axlg and it got opened and resealed with yellow tape indicating they opened it....

[tarnow]

Same thing with me....ordered 20 (YES TWENTY) 10ml sustaplex 325 from axlg and it got opened and resealed with yellow tape indicating they opened it....

Thats because they knew there was no hormone in it.:D

[sierra1]

Thats because they knew there was no hormone in it.:D

LMFAO, now thats funny

[drdnj]

Thats because they knew there was no hormone in it.:D

haha...I must admit that was funny....nice one....
it was actually excellent test....
But if you were right then I have no clue why they seized numerous packets of A's sachets from me .....cuz they sucked compared to AXLG.

[canadianmuscle0803]

GH? if so thats understandable.. if its AAS.. you need to be smart and turn domestic..

[gettinripped]

Going to get worse before it gets better with customs , the 2010 Winter Olympics are coming and look what happened before Bejing had the Olympics, it was crack down time with anything coming from China. The government will want to look good before the Olympics start so they can say "Hey look what we did" yet the meth. and the crack and the heroine will still flow freely in Vancouver which kills more people than steroids do.

Keep safe
GR

[ZeOne]

Thats because they knew there was no hormone in it.:D

:laugh


That's sure beats the cost of the full spectrum analysis...just pass it through customs :D

[canadianmuscle0803]

Going to get worse before it gets better with customs , the 2010 Winter Olympics are coming and look what happened before Bejing had the Olympics, it was crack down time with anything coming from China. The government will want to look good before the Olympics start so they can say "Hey look what we did" yet the meth. and the crack and the heroine will still flow freely in Vancouver which kills more people than steroids do.

Keep safe
GR

i totally agree with your post.. until you said "which kills more people than steroids do" actually there is absolutely 0 evidence or medical data that steroids have ever killed anyone.. so to say more then steroids do implies that steroids have killed somoene? sorry im not being rude but I have a very strong stance on this issue and i believe the media and society has given roids a bad name as it is without any factual evidence.. to my knowledge steroids have nor have the capacity to kill anyone unless overly abused, mind you this being a hormone its very capable of dangerous things, but to say it has killed anyone would be a theory not a fact.

[BolicPower]

There was a post on here somewhere, with a link showing steroids has NEVER killed anyone. "Directly" now anything can help the proses but not one death directly.

[con_man]

Yeah they have more important things to do, etc: like chow down on a few of Tim Hortons sexy creamy donuts, LOL


The gym part is being overly paranoid. They got better things to do then hang out at the gym.

[gettinripped]

It was just a mere statement that those drugs are far more dangerous than steroids will ever be and i have the same stance as everyone else about steroids on this board does, as Tony The Tiger says 'Theeeeeeeeeeeeerreeeeeeeeeeee Great" !!

GR

[faller]

Whew!! Well after so much reading i'm going outside and have a totaly legal, non lethal?? cigarette. :D

[canadianmuscle0803]

Whew!! Well after so much reading i'm going outside and have a totaly legal, non lethal?? cigarette. :D

LOL.. will mixing cigarettes with steroids increase my chance of brain disease? :help

[fg123]

make sure its not the same source, could be a scam

[fireflyer]

I'm new to this board cause I didn't even know of a Canadian forum. Been on EF for years and whenever I got help it was always International. Had a lot not get through. Seems a lot tougher lately. Who'd care if the domestic prices are higher when you get them and your delivery never goes through a border.

[Kronis]

well a friend of mine just ordered some research chems so hopefully customs takes a nap sometime in the next few business days.

[greekgod]

I can see why people want to order international. Getting UG dom is easy but legit HG is not.

[Born2Juice4Ever]

well a friend of mine just ordered some research chems so hopefully customs takes a nap sometime in the next few business days.


Interesting thread here.

First off: Ressearch chems are still a shady situation for the gov. and borders, for two main reasons:

-the borders do not know how to classify the compound
(you can be sure that the gov is working on classifying all those compounds, testing them out, and learning what they are good for)
-OFTEN the border patrol or custom will either let it pass consciously OR through it out



When it comes to getting your product seized by the R.C.M.P. or any other private agency. This can sometimes be the beginning of an investigation.
Over the years I have seen and also heard of cases that are built out of a single seizure.
The gov may be able to pull out evidence on a seizure that may have happened YEARS back---they simply store the info, and in time connect "links" to it.
In the end, it may not be so bad to the occasional user, but to those who cycle and or purchase on a regular base, I would be extremely careful when going over seas.
I just want to also POINT OUT, that JUST because your product has never been seized, you think you are safe? Don't count your blessings!! ANYTIME you go international you risk your entire life.

Anyhow, I am not here to disclose perfect techniques or anything of such, or to tell all the secrets the gov uses to hunt the juice world....

Somebody said that international is similar to domestic? Time to get real here fellas, we are comparing apples to oranges. NOT THE SAME when it comes to attaining the product.
I mean the situation is much more diverse than that of course.

We have become 'greedy' of ordering a product that around 10 years ago was only attainable at gym level, where the prices were inflated 150% times the cost now.
In the past a bottle of test would run for 200 bucks, where we are now able to get it for 60 for example, yet some continuasly RISK going international only because they can get it for 45....when are we going to start putting things into perspective fellas, and start thinking logically.

I cannot advise on weather to go international or domestic. BUT I will say that if you plan on purchasing an illegal product, know who you are getting it from, and always always use the safest possible way to acquire it.
You can never be too safe.



B2J4E

[tiramisu]

old thread but interesting nonetheless.

[1488]

QFT ... This should be a no brainer, but it does happen. >.<

If you do some research, google this, that, do some reading. Check out some various board sponsors, you can find an international source that will do their best to make sure you receive your package.

A lot of legit international sources have very low, or no minimum order. You can slowly gather supplies w/ little financial risk. A lot of international sources will also 'resend' w/ proof of seizure. From my personal experience, Canada Customs does not always send seizure notice tho.
good luck.

several seizures and NEVER a notice. it's the least they could do so you could fax some evidence to a foreigner. nope, nothing.

[deleteduser0001]

We have become 'greedy' of ordering a product that around 10 years ago was only attainable at gym level, where the prices were inflated 150% times the cost now.
In the past a bottle of test would run for 200 bucks, where we are now able to get it for 60 for example, yet some continuasly RISK going international only because they can get it for 45....when are we going to start putting things into perspective fellas, and start thinking logically.



B2J4E

what a bunch of horseshit.

most people buy international because of the anonymity and because of the lack of risk. buying from a gym is like buying from a crack dealer, you just never know if they are a cop. not only that but your anonimity is contained rather than spread by that dealer who talks to his buddies or the friend who hooked you up with the dealer.

no one got greedy, people wised up and stopped paying drug dealer prices from drug dealers and started paying supplement prices from international (or under the radar UGL) pharmacies.

I like your posts but really some of them seem to really lack any insight other than what popped into your head while you wrote it.

[cdnsoldier]

Keep your house clean.



Why? Unless he ordered a 50kg drum why would he worry? If the cops had to chase every swinging dick who ordered illegal goods overseas you wouldn't see a cop on the road.

And before the guys who start "controlled delivery on 10 pills" show me one documented controlled delivery on anything that is considered personal amounts (and the law holds a very liberal view of personal amount considering).

You have nothng to worry about except the loss of money and a 2 year flag on your mailing address. Throw the paper away and find a domestic source.

[cdnsoldier]

several seizures and NEVER a notice. it's the least they could do so you could fax some evidence to a foreigner. nope, nothing.


Well you presume customs are stupid and clueless. Thery aren't. You don't get a letter because:
1) They want you to think you were scammed so you don't order again
2) They know these sources offer re-ships if you send a letter back to them

Why waste their paper and time? Your gear gets tossed in a grey bin to be 'disposed' of later. You ever notice the huge Indian guys in Peel Region gyms? There is a reason. That's your seized gear.,

[rob66679]

several seizures and NEVER a notice. it's the least they could do so you could fax some evidence to a foreigner. nope, nothing.

Hard to get a notice if it wasn't sent in the first place......

[cdnsoldier]

Hard to get a notice if it wasn't sent in the first place......



Hard to get a notice, period. They don't send them anymore for pills, powders and injectibles. You get a letter if you order tiger balls though.

For anything out and out illegal you don't get a letter anymore. Very few times are they sent these daysl

[Varlover]

Hypotothetically speaking, without the knowledge of a local Canadian UG and one does choose any various source, are products drop shipped from the UG or are they stocked by the seller? I guess what Im trying to say is that if you find a place that has gear from a CDN UG and I live in Canada, will it be shipped from inside Canada or will it come from accross a boarder?

[Born2Juice4Ever]

what a bunch of horseshit.

most people buy international because of the anonymity and because of the lack of risk. buying from a gym is like buying from a crack dealer, you just never know if they are a cop. not only that but your anonimity is contained rather than spread by that dealer who talks to his buddies or the friend who hooked you up with the dealer.

no one got greedy, people wised up and stopped paying drug dealer prices from drug dealers and started paying supplement prices from international (or under the radar UGL) pharmacies.

I like your posts but really some of them seem to really lack any insight other than what popped into your head while you wrote it.


You completely misunderstood my post, or I did not explain myself well enough.

But WE both corroborate equal thoughts in the end. ;)


B2J

[CanadianIron]

Why? Unless he ordered a 50kg drum why would he worry? If the cops had to chase every swinging dick who ordered illegal goods overseas you wouldn't see a cop on the road.

And before the guys who start "controlled delivery on 10 pills" show me one documented controlled delivery on anything that is considered personal amounts (and the law holds a very liberal view of personal amount considering).

You have nothng to worry about except the loss of money and a 2 year flag on your mailing address. Throw the paper away and find a domestic source.


So if you've had an international seizure, you should expect every shipment afterwards to be seized? I recently had a seizure and they guy has resend my order. Should I not expect to see it? He claims a 95% success rate and his policy is to reship. Why would any international source reship if they knew addresses were flagged?

[Kronis]

So if you've had an international seizure, you should expect every shipment afterwards to be seized? I recently had a seizure and they guy has resend my order. Should I not expect to see it? He claims a 95% success rate and his policy is to reship. Why would any international source reship if they knew addresses were flagged?

Did he give you a tracking number?

[cdnsoldier]

So if you've had an international seizure, you should expect every shipment afterwards to be seized? I recently had a seizure and they guy has resend my order. Should I not expect to see it? He claims a 95% success rate and his policy is to reship. Why would any international source reship if they knew addresses were flagged?

The address will be flagged. So if future incoming packs are suspicious they may just enter the name/address into the databse and check. But that rarely happens.They are too lazy for that. They usually open the package. It's easier for them and faster. You ever seen an opened package taped up again? That's how lazy they are. Listen, packs from certain areas are scrutinized more than packs from other areas. It's justthe way it is. So if package 1 was seized odds are pack 2 will be seized no matter which address you use. You should have had him reship in 2 weeks to increase your success btw. April-Sept. should be avoided.

But anyone claiming a 95% success rate into Canada is a damn liar or just stupid. Hell ,CP losses more than 5% of my work related legal documents within Ontario, I have to put a trace on them.

[CanadianIron]

The address will be flagged. So if future incoming packs are suspicious they may just enter the name/address into the databse and check. But that rarely happens.They are too lazy for that. They usually open the package. It's easier for them and faster. You ever seen an opened package taped up again? That's how lazy they are. Listen, packs from certain areas are scrutinized more than packs from other areas. It's justthe way it is. So if package 1 was seized odds are pack 2 will be seized no matter which address you use. You should have had him reship in 2 weeks to increase your success btw. April-Sept. should be avoided.

But anyone claiming a 95% success rate into Canada is a damn liar or just stupid. Hell ,CP losses more than 5% of my work related legal documents within Ontario, I have to put a trace on them.

The first package was stopped 2-3 weeks ago. He claims to ship from "different addresses around EU" but my previous 3 were from the same. Either way, I wrote it off as gone a few weeks ago, so i dont care if he wants to resend, im hoping it gets through though.

To answer your question, i've never had anything show up with customs tape. I order tons of stuff online, cloths, supps, car parts and i think i've had 1 packaged out of 50+ opened in the last 6-8 years.

And no, no tracking number :ne

[faller]

i just got my package in a couple days ago, it was opened, than taped up and sent here anyway... wtf???

[Redz]

Awesome I had this happen myself last year, I received Letro, tons of nolva and a bottle of solvent that was supposed to be with hcg but they had emptied out the hcg and put the empty amp back in. It was covered in red customs tape. The supplier re-shipped the hcg and I received it so it was all good.

[sierra1]

Just curious, were any of these seized or open packages domestic?

[cdnsoldier]

Just curious, were any of these seized or open packages domestic?

If a domestic pack is opened you better clean house. I would rather see 1000 int, packs opened than one domestic.,

[fireflyer]

Had stuff opened taped and let through. Had anti-e's seized letter sent then they still ended up letting that through too - messed up. Recently (Feb '09) ordered stuff that was sent three times and they refused to refund me. Three months later I get all three orders within a week of each other. I guess they weren't sure what it was and never got around to figuring it out so sent it on it's way. Strange they all came at once though....hmmm... do steroids make you paranoid? - lol

[faller]

do steroids make you paranoid? - lol

LOL, ya sometimes it sure feels like it!

[fg123]

its getting the hgh that is difficult,
hgh only comes international, impossible to find it domesticaly shipped and legit

[Andrew86]

bought some liqui clen from an american source.... 6 weeks went by, emailed them, they said that it was a problem at customs and that they would resend it.... been about a month and havent recieved anything. pretty sure i got burned .... i assume a canadian source would be the way to go

[rob66679]

its getting the hgh that is difficult,
hgh only comes international, impossible to find it domesticaly shipped and legit

"yes yes i do,
so how are AS sachets taken, with the orals? how do you know how much, a teaspoon? "

Def impossible to order by the teaspoon....... Dom or international..... you make me nervous.