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Praetorian
25-01-2014, 09:53 AM
Another great article by John Meadows.

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Intermittent Fasting Kills Muscle
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Tags: Intermittent Fasting Muscle Loss
Intermittent fasting (IF) has become the latest diet fad and the subject of several books. IF diets purportedly accelerate fat loss and some proponents go so far as to claim you can build muscle while fasting. Trouble is, in addition to losing fat, a study by Wilson et al (2011) shows that you could also be losing muscle, or at the very least, not building muscle.

Most IF plans tout the benefits of fasted weight training. Some suggest 10 g of BCAA during training. But according to the study, consuming leucine (BCAA) without ample carbohydrate present prevented protein synthesis. In other words, any possibility of gaining muscle is eliminated when training in a fasted state, even when consuming BCAA.

Bodybuilding coach John Meadows adds:

"Proponents of IF like to think of it as the 'science diet' but the complete opposite is true. Intermittent fasting is the fad diet. There's no logic to it, unless your goal is to lose muscle, slow down your metabolism, and have poor workouts.

"My most difficult clients are people that have crashed and burned on intermittent fasting. Here's how it always plays out: I get a guy that was 20-30% body fat. He does IF and he loses some fat and muscle. Then he gets stuck at 15-18% body fat, so he takes his calories down. Now he's stuck at 1800-2000 calories, nothing is happening, and he's miserable. Then he comes to me for help.

"That's the scenario I see every time. His metabolism is shot and he'll gain fat when coming off IF. His body is hoarding fat at this point; it's a self-protective mechanism. It can take us months to get his body functioning correctly again."

cog
27-01-2014, 07:14 PM
Apparently some people have had good results,who was that peptides forum guru,one of that staff, claimed he could gain as well.DiPasquale said no carbs after a workout might not be the best for gaining mass. The theory is that it resembles life in the past as a hunter.

Praetorian
27-01-2014, 11:25 PM
Apparently? Some? pretty vague and not to mention anecdotal. Oh yeah and the peptide guy...news flash he sells them....and please name one pro using them....waste of money. The hunter theory is bunk...we are talking bodybuilding here...no prehistoric hunters were walking around with massive amounts of protein consuming muscle...think evolution.

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cog
28-01-2014, 08:03 AM
Trying to remember that guy's name.IIRC,the fasts don't last too long.Rebound effect he claimed.Ray Mentzer used to do 24 hour fasts.Nobody has yet to explain to me how the peptides come up so short.Not sure everything to do with amino acid supplementation is fully understood yet either,research in the geriatric field indicates promise for aminos and peptides.

Primal
28-01-2014, 09:53 AM
I don't know enough about the topic nor do I claim to, but there is some guys who I have heard that used this method and it apparently works for them. I'm sure you guys have heard of the Hodge twins? They're really big on YouTube (I don't know how, I can't stand them). They have their own channel specifically on the topic. Yes, they are into bodybuilding too.

https://www.youtube.com/user/fastingtwins

Praetorian
28-01-2014, 10:43 AM
To make it really simple and how the phrase "it works for them" makes little sense is this...we are all of the same species and we cannot store protein...we can store carbohydrate and we can store fatty acids...but unfortunately we cannot store protein. So does this mean we will completely catabolize our muscle mass if we fast for 12 hours...absolutely not. What it does mean is that muscular gains ie the type related to bodybuilding aren't going to happen.

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Talo
28-01-2014, 11:23 AM
I've done IF diets and didn't much care for them as a diet and the length that they have you do it for....I'd lose weight but body image didn't change (lost fat and muscle).I'll still do it the odd day where I wont eat for 16 hours and I find I don't notice any negative effects actually feel fine doing this. Not often, maybe ever other week. Something more common I'll do is have a bulletproof coffee in the morning and no food unit later in the afternoon and I'll feel great doing that. But that's giving my body the fats (lots) that are needed.

Wildo
28-01-2014, 01:32 PM
That's a lot of eating in 8 hours! I'm sitting here force feeding yams, chicken, and broccoli. Can't imagine doing it again in the next 1.5 hour!