HGH vs/+ IGF +/- Deca??? Sooo confusing!

[mommy_of_miles]

I was hoping to pick your brains. Hubby used to lift a lot, screwed up ankle and is really miserable and unable to do any leg work. Really getting bummed out. Barely can walk these days it seems. Seen a top ortho in our area....arthritis, MRI/A no necrosis. Damn. Over use from years of lifting and basketball and injury's have added up. So, going to try a stint of HGH to see if we can get some healing. At this point was trying to see what else to add to get the most out of HGH to try and get him healed. Information is difficult to find. Just when I think about adding IGF3 or Deca, I read something that makes me hold back. Without first hand knowledge or experience, it's tough to discern. His T levels are good so prob don't need any extra, or does he? HGH is enroute so I need to figure this out, but it's just tough to find the info. Or maybe I'm not looking in the right places. I'm sure the majority of you guys have more experience and knowledge than sports med docs. Is the HGH going to be enough solo? Would love some guidance via forum or PM.

[Hosehead]

I was hoping to pick your brains. Hubby used to lift a lot, screwed up ankle and is really miserable and unable to do any leg work. Really getting bummed out. Barely can walk these days it seems. Seen a top ortho in our area....arthritis, MRI/A no necrosis. Damn. Over use from years of lifting and basketball and injury's have added up. So, going to try a stint of HGH to see if we can get some healing. At this point was trying to see what else to add to get the most out of HGH to try and get him healed. Information is difficult to find. Just when I think about adding IGF3 or Deca, I read something that makes me hold back. Without first hand knowledge or experience, it's tough to discern. His T levels are good so prob don't need any extra, or does he? HGH is enroute so I need to figure this out, but it's just tough to find the info. Or maybe I'm not looking in the right places. I'm sure the majority of you guys have more experience and knowledge than sports med docs. Is the HGH going to be enough solo? Would love some guidance via forum or PM.

IF he decides to run deca then he HAS to take test , no matter what his current levels are. Take it from a dummy who ran 300mg deca without test years ago and was shut down sexually for six months. It's a must. A good rule of thumb is that you double the amount of test compared to deca. Typically, people run 250-300mg deca so I'd say at least 500mg of test or more. Now having said that, there is no guarantee that taking deca , hgh , IGF 1Lr3 or anything else will 'heal' his ankle. BUT it might help too. My own case : I tore my medial meniscus quite badly a year and a half ago. I ran HGH at 2 IU ED for 53 days (got a kit with 107 IU) along with 10 weeks of deca at 300mg per week and 750 mg test enanthate for 16 weeks. By the time my surgery was due (mid cycle) I was back leg pressing 700 lb for reps. My surgeon couldn't believe that I saw him on crutches just two months earlier. He couldn't believe my connective tissue was as good as it was for a 44 year old. My knee is now 100%. Fast forward to the present. I tore my MCL in the OTHER knee two and a half months ago midway through a cycle of deca and test so immediately I added 20mcg of IGF 1 LR3 ED and 2IU HGH ED. I am now in my PCT and even without the test and deca my new injury is coming along nicely. I leg pressed more today than I have for years and played with 315 squats. It's not totally healed but it's not far off. I have also been doing ART for the knee and feel that it has been necessary in breaking up the scar tissue which enabled me to get a full ROM even before I started training legs again.
In my experience the deca/test/hgh combo really works for my type of injury. Don't know how effective it would be for arthritis in an ankle.I also can't say if the IGF works at all. PRAE will probably tell you it works best in combination with HGH and test and that HGH alone will elicit better results than the IGF alone. He knows far more about this tuff than me so until he responds I'd just like to offer up my experience. Good luck to your hubby.

[Praetorian]

Deca increase joint fluid so it tends to mask any pain caused by tendinitis but this isnt necessarily a good thing as it can lead to making the injury worse. I would not advise deca. HGH may help helaing slightly but dont hold your breath or expect any miracles of it healing in a few weeks etc. majority of people are very disappointed with the end results and the money they spent. IGF-1 LR3 would be your best bet and probably the cheapest but again dont expect miracles. I would suggest contacting: Dr Anthony Michael Galea for PRP injections

I S M Health & Wellness Centre
230 Browns Line
Etobicoke
Ontario
M8W 3T4

Phone: (416) 620-6861
Fax: (416) 620-9774

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[Hosehead]

Deca increase joint fluid so it tends to mask any pain caused by tendinitis but this isnt necessarily a good thing as it can lead to making the injury worse. I would not advise deca. HGH may help helaing slightly but dont hold your breath or expect any miracles of it healing in a few weeks etc. majority of people are very disappointed with the end results and the money they spent. IGF-1 LR3 would be your best bet and probably the cheapest but again dont expect miracles. I would suggest contacting: Dr Anthony Michael Galea for PRP injections

I S M Health & Wellness Centre
230 Browns Line
Etobicoke
Ontario
M8W 3T4

Phone: (416) 620-6861
Fax: (416) 620-9774

P



Do you know if is this the clinic where Fouad went to for his torn tricep ?There is a guy in Kingston who does them and I was wondering if it's worth going to Toronto to a proven guy or just staying home. I don't know anyone personally who has seen the local guy. The OP is in Illinois so she'll have to see someone there.

[mommy_of_miles]

Thanks guys! Going to see if I can talk to Dr. Galea as one practitioner to another since we're kinda far away. In the meantime since the HGH is on it's way so we will do a 6 month course. Adding IGF LR3 as adjunct therapy might not be a bad idea from what I am understanding of you both. Medial Maleolar tendonitis with arthritis blows. I suppose the only thing that could get hurt would be our pocket book eh?

[Praetorian]

Yes I believe that is where Fouad went. Galea is the only practitioner I would go to for this treatment. I've heard of many guys getting PRP from other practioners with little to no success and after seeing Galea they healed up quickly. He has a special super sensitive Ultrasound unit that is necessary to place the injection in the perfect spot.
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[Hosehead]

Yes I believe that is where Fouad went. Galea is the only practitioner I would go to for this treatment. I've heard of many guys getting PRP from other practioners with little to no success and after seeing Galea they healed up quickly. He has a special super sensitive Ultrasound unit that is necessary to place the injection in the perfect spot.
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Any idea what a complete treatment runs $wise ?

[Praetorian]

It runs per injection...i think $500 each.

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[Hosehead]

It runs per injection...i think $500 each.

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Ouch !

[Sean Summers]

I sell the centrifuges and syringes for PRP to docs. Hit me up with a PM if you guys want to know costs and where to go.
Most docs I know use ultrasound but you don't necessarily need it. There are several factors to take into account BEFORE you get a shot - meds you can't be taking, diet has to be specific...etc. Otherwise you will not get the full effect from PRP. You can't just walk in off the street and say "Hey doc, hit me up with that PRP stuff."