Is Milk Ok?

[Primal]

Hi all, so usually at around 9-10 I down my final meal which is a protein shake. I mix the stuff with skim milk however which got me thinking. Is milk OK to put into your diet? It has a lot sugars in it, but at the same time it has some great protein value (or so it seems). I was thinking I would switch my milk to 1% and mix it with my shake to get that 'amino drip' all night long. I did look at a few articles and videos regarding the subject, but everyone seems to be pretty one sided as to whether it is good for you or bad.

Thanks!

-Primal

[TT Eric]

Unless it's RAW milk from grass-fed cow I would stay away from milk.

Pasteurization kills the beneficial enzymes and bacterias, denature the whey. Beside destroying the lactase (enzyme needed to properly digest the lactose) the pasteurization also transform lactose into beta-lactose which is more irritant and insulogenic.

The homogenization tear down the fat and casein into way too smaller molecule so they pass the gut barrier without being properly digested, which create inflammation and leaky gut syndrome and some immune system response. This is why casein is so linked to cancer.

Plus 'regular' milk is treated to be whiter then normal, an oxidation process. Also beside that those cows are often feed antibiotics and hormones, they are fed with unhealthy GMO corn, which also raise the (inflammatory) Omega-6 content of the milk.

[Primal]

Whoa! OK definitely did not know so much about how milk reacts with casein! So, if I still wanted to have my shake before I went to bed, is there are any good aqueous products to mix the whey in? What do you guys mix with your shakes? I have tried a few of the shake recipes on here and they're pretty good but I want my body to be fueled all night long with the protein if that is possible.

Thanks!

-Primal

[TT Eric]

The usual is Whey + olive oil + grounded flax!

Eric

[Primal]

Oh, haven't heard of that one before. I will try it soon. Is water ok to have with it too?

[TT Eric]

Yes water, 1 cup or 2 as you want, then you add whey, olive oil and flax!

Eric

[Primal]

Haha! Yeah I was thinking to myself, whey with just oil and flax would be undrinkable! Thanks!

[tex]

"Some people believe that raw milk is a healthier choice and more digestible because it contains "live" enzymes and probiotics that can aid in digestion. This is not true. Enzymes that may be present in raw milk are broken down in the acidic environment of the stomach. These enzymes are not required for digestion (3) and there is no evidence to show a beneficial probiotic profile from raw milk." raw milk still illegal for sale in Canada......

[TT Eric]

Not sure what it your position on what you just posted Tex, if you actually believe this or you posted this to show how heath Canada is full of sh!t with disinformation, the only true part is that raw milk is indeed illegal for sale in Canada (but you can consume it if you are owner of the cow(s)).

First hand proof what they say is untrue is that if I drink only one glass of grocery milk I'll have a freaking war for hours in my stomach, like I dunno if I need a doctor or a priest to get me through this... only 1 cup of milk, same for yogurt, ice cream, etc... but I can drink 2L of raw milk like if it was water, no retaliation, nothing, just a happy face and a white mustache.

Eric

[tex]

im not quite sure as to the truth....I know that a friend in high school was a dairy farmer and drank raw milk regularly and my dad grew up on a farm and this was common practice.....I suppose My opinion would be that you need to find a trusted dairy farmer if you want to go this route.....I have no issues consuming processed milk ( no noticeable problems) but I would give raw a try.....and the quote was from the bcdairy site.....

[TT Eric]

I use to drink a lot of processed milk also (with lactase added so I can digest it) but after talking/reading about the subject I realized what pasteurization and homogenization really do to the milk and how unhealthy it is I stopped. Gladly I learned from here, mostly from Ted (Prae), how raw milk is healthy and a great friend to any bodybuilder.

Cow that are grass-fed instead of corn-fed are much more healthier themselves, their milk have much higher n3 content, lower n6 and much more CLA. Pasteurization not only denature the protein in the milk, kills all the beneficial enzymes and bacterias, but also destroy the fat-soluble vitamins (A,D, E, K), water soluble vitamins (especially vitamins B-6 and B-12) are also destroyed or reduced, this is why they add vitamin A and D (often synthetic, unhealthy D2), but they do not replace the others, raw milk is very good source of the hard to find Vit K.

If you want to read more about raw milk, here is a good site: http://www.raw-milk-facts.com

About enzymes: http://www.raw-milk-facts.com/enzymes_T3.html

Eric

[Primal]

Hi all, just to be clear, the milk I am talking about is from the supermarket (Metro in this case). I think I might have a similar problem with Eric on this matter as well pertaining to the fact that milk does not sit well in my stomach (at least without much food in there) first. I get incredibly bloated and gassy. It is quite uncomfortable. Although I haven't had enough time to research what Eric told me about the casein and milk problem, I do trust that he knows what he is talking about talking to the infamous Praetorian and just judging by his avatar. I really don't know anything about farm milk however, is there anywhere in Ontario that you can buy it without going out to a farm?

[TT Eric]

Wheat and processed milk are the most inflammatory food you can have. As said, for the raw milk you have to be owner of the cow to be legal, some farmers offer to be share owner of the cows, so you can have access to raw milk, butter, yogurt, cheese, kefir... but be sure to thrust the farmer, as you don't want milk from corn fed cows, the reason why it's mandatory to pasteurize the milk is because of the poor condition and food those cows are subjected to, they often are sick (and it's transmitted to the milk), there can have pus into the milk, etc.. people would be sick if it was not pasteurized. A good farmer that tare care of his grass-fed cows, no antibiotics, ho hormones is rare and hard to find.

Eric

[Primal]

Hahaha! I'll make sure I "thrust" the farmer before asking any favours :laugh Well I don't live by a farm anyhow and I don't think I would want to take that risk of getting Salmonella or E. Coli anyways. I'll stick to good ol' water. Thanks!

-Primal

[warlock]

Yesterday OI had one big glass of 3% milk
And turned into a pooping/farting machine!

[steve_d]

I don't have too much against milk, since I'll have some every few weeks and it causes no issues for me. I'll also have ice cream and again, no issues. It surprises me how many people avoid milk like the plague yet don't have any problem going out for fast food, etc. Just like the IIFYM thread from a few days back - I can't see too much harm if you enjoy some milk every now and then. Lately I've been a fan of almond milk though - especially if regular milk gives you any trouble.

Every now and then a food which people used to think is healthy gets a bad rap and becomes the topic of avoidance. Another good example is fruit, yogurt, cheese, nut butter... Some bodybuilders will avoid all of the above fearing it will make them fat, or 'hold water'. Same with whey protein - bodybuilders start to avoid protein shakes, bars, and so on towards the end of a prep. Somehow the trend of more suffering = better results really took off it seems! While partly true, if you suffer you will likely get shredded, there are always better ways if you ask me.

I do trust the opinions that milk isn't the best food to eat. But it certainly isn't the worst!

[Primal]

I don't have too much against milk, since I'll have some every few weeks and it causes no issues for me. I'll also have ice cream and again, no issues. It surprises me how many people avoid milk like the plague yet don't have any problem going out for fast food, etc. Just like the IIFYM thread from a few days back - I can't see too much harm if you enjoy some milk every now and then. Lately I've been a fan of almond milk though - especially if regular milk gives you any trouble.

Every now and then a food which people used to think is healthy gets a bad rap and becomes the topic of avoidance. Another good example is fruit, yogurt, cheese, nut butter... Some bodybuilders will avoid all of the above fearing it will make them fat, or 'hold water'. Same with whey protein - bodybuilders start to avoid protein shakes, bars, and so on towards the end of a prep. Somehow the trend of more suffering = better results really took off it seems! While partly true, if you suffer you will likely get shredded, there are always better ways if you ask me.

I do trust the opinions that milk isn't the best food to eat. But it certainly isn't the worst!

Thanks for the opinion Steve! Always appreciated! :)

[tt_tom]

Interesting thread. I've never heard that processed milk has so much bad influence. For me it's all the opposite. I don't feel very good after raw milk. Or maybe the one I've tried wasn't very good.

[TT Eric]

The raw milk must come from grass fed cows, not corn fed cows, if the cows are corn fed you exposed yourself to be sick, since corn is not the natural food of cows it tend to make the cows sick and it passes through the milk, hence the reason why it's mandatory to pasteurize the milk.

One thing I'm doing lately and it seems to go very well, is instead of using raw milk, I'm using pure raw cream from grass fed cows for my protein shakes, all the good of the milk is in the fat (Omega-3, CLA, vitamins, enzymes, bacterias, cholesterol, (healthy saturated fat), minerals, etc...) so you get the benefits of the milk without the sugar (lactose), yes you don't get the milk proteins, but I add them in powder.

I find it's help stay leaner if there is no sugar in my shake and it taste WAY better then if you use olive oil.

Eric

[Praetorian]

Good quality raw milk is an ideal food for a BB looking to build muscle...all kinds of goodness in there. The issue with store bought milk is the pasteurization process basically kills all the good stuff...its not going to kill you by any means its just not the fortified product you are lead to believe. As for soy or almond milk I wouldn't touch that stuff.

P

[LondonMuscle]

Is it ok to have? Ya, it's ok but it's really not all that beneficial either as TT said, and if you are lactose intolerant or evenly mildly allergic, it just isn't worth it. So if you get gassy, bloated, break out or even get stuffy you likely have an issue with milk and many have suggested that it's because of the pasteurization that so many ppl have problems now.

I'd say if you arent dieting and you dont have any side effects from it, then you can keep a small amount in but really, if its just for the protein source, there are better ones out there