Dorian yates interview

[warlock]

http://www.londonreal.tv/episodes/dorian-yates-into-the-shadow/

[Hosehead]

http://www.londonreal.tv/episodes/dorian-yates-into-the-shadow/
Great find bro. Loved every minute of it. Probably the only Olympia winner that has ever come clean about what he took. Kinda dude you'd like to have ten pints with.

[Praetorian]

Guys just don't get it....BB is about genetics not drugs. Like Dorian said the guys at the top are there not because they take aas or more aas, they are there because of their genetics. Dorian wasn't Dorian or Ronnie wasn't Ronnie because they were taking more aas then everyone one else....if you believe this then you really have little understanding of the body and the sport. Take Dorian's genetics, add super intense training, nutrition, aas, recovery, consistency....AND ridiculous work ethic and you get a 6 time Mr O....not just a pro.

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[Hosehead]

Guys just don't get it....BB is about genetics not drugs. Like Dorian said the guys at the top are there not because they take aas or more aas, they are there because of their genetics. Dorian wasn't Dorian or Ronnie wasn't Ronnie because they were taking more aas then everyone one else....if you believe this then you really have little understanding of the body and the sport. Take Dorian's genetics, add super intense training, nutrition, aas, recovery, consistency....AND ridiculous work ethic and you get a 6 time Mr O....not just a pro.

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Yup. I certainly wasn't inferring that drugs were the difference. I'd give them the least amount of credit in the equation for Dorian or any other pro. Synthol aside, it's about developing the body , not taking drugs. I just enjoy the fact that Dorian isn't saying it was a handful of d-bol , like may other pros have alluded to. Assholes like Mike Ashley. I've seen the big cycle shit build thing. I had a buddy that had inside info on a cycle that a famous Canadian pro liked to run and he ended up adding ten measly pounds to an already shitty build. Yates was the best because he had everything in line. At that level it boils down to genetics and nailing the conditioning onstage. Amazing that he recorded every session and still has them. One of the best for sure.

[warlock]

Overall just a great interview. He is very honest in every subject not just bodybuilding. This is the second time that I listen to this interview and I loved when he talks about identity and life after his competition years.

[Praetorian]

Yup. I certainly wasn't inferring that drugs were the difference. I'd give them the least amount of credit in the equation for Dorian or any other pro. Synthol aside, it's about developing the body , not taking drugs. I just enjoy the fact that Dorian isn't saying it was a handful of d-bol , like may other pros have alluded to. Assholes like Mike Ashley. I've seen the big cycle shit build thing. I had a buddy that had inside info on a cycle that a famous Canadian pro liked to run and he ended up adding ten measly pounds to an already shitty build. Yates was the best because he had everything in line. At that level it boils down to genetics and nailing the conditioning onstage. Amazing that he recorded every session and still has them. One of the best for sure.


I am friends with many IFBB pros and the types and dosages of cycle range quite a bit. Some are fairly high dosages others are very minimal. Most pros taking high dosages do so out of fear not because its necessary. They feel other guys are taking large amounts so they need to in order to compete. The thing most people dont understand is that very high dosages will actually slow gains because the body needs to remove the drug ie similar to alcohol liver pass....this becomes a big stress and thus the resulting flu type feeling. There is an optimal amount if you plot dosage vs sides on a graph.

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[cog]

I am friends with many IFBB pros and the types and dosages of cycle range quite a bit. Some are fairly high dosages others are very minimal. Most pros taking high dosages do so out of fear not because its necessary. They feel other guys are taking large amounts so they need to in order to compete. The thing most people dont understand is that very high dosages will actually slow gains because the body needs to remove the drug ie similar to alcohol liver pass....this becomes a big stress and thus the resulting flu type feeling. There is an optimal amount if you plot dosage vs sides on a graph.

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I walk into the gym.Couple of people around the big man,years back.I say to myself,what is wrong with this picture.Then I realize I cant see his knees.I move closer to get a better look.One small area under the lateralis I can just make out the bottom of the knee area.Big dosages.

[Praetorian]

Th whole massive dosage idea is a newbie excuse based mainly on lack of accountability. Speak to Tom Prince about this...if you think BB is all about drugs you will never account to much in this sport. Drugs are a large part of BB and most professional sports yes and dosages vary greatly. But, they do not create Mr Olympia winners out of also rans and they sure as hell dont make pros from weak amateurs who lack work ethic in their training and knowledge with regards to nutrition. Ive seen many guys on twice the dosage some pros use and look like absolute shit...or look like they barely lift a weight. Why do you think Dorian easily beat the US guys year in and year out...nothing to do with drugs!
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[Hosehead]

Th whole massive dosage idea is a newbie excuse based mainly on lack of accountability. Speak to Tom Prince about this...if you think BB is all about drugs you will never account to much in this sport. Drugs are a large part of BB and most professional sports yes and dosages vary greatly. But, they do not create Mr Olympia winners out of also rans and they sure as hell dont make pros from weak amateurs who lack work ethic in their training and knowledge with regards to nutrition. Ive seen many guys on twice the dosage some pros use and look like absolute shit...or look like they barely lift a weight. Why do you think Dorian easily beat the US guys year in and year out...nothing to do with drugs!
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Because he is from Birmingham and everything that comes out of that city rules. Judas Priest , Black Sabbath and half of Led Zep. That's why he beat the US pros.

[Praetorian]

HOW TO TURN PRO - by Tom Prince

I'm going to cut right to it. Here's EXACTLY, word for word, what it takes for anyone to turn pro:

1. Genetics
2. Busting your ass in the gym
3. Knowing how to eat alot of good food
4. Knowing what it means to "rest"
5. 12-15 YEARS of being consistant, and never missing a scheduled workout (*note: you are allowed to miss 2-3 workouts in that 12-15 years for funerals, family tragedy, etc.)

NOW.. here's how 1-5 plays out: Your GENETICS, you are born with, and can't do nothing about. Numbers 2,3,4, I could teach a retarded monkey with a brain amputation.

And #5.. is why 99.99999% of the people fail.. and fall dead on their ass.

Notice is doesn't say "gear" or "steroids" in there at all. If you are one of those people that walks around saying "he's just big because he's on tons of ****!", then you will NEVER make it. NEVER!!

Steroids, GH, gear.. is the ultimate weak minded pussies excuse. Because, if it's GEAR, they never have to admit they aren't good enough. These people come up with an abstract excuse that no one can exactly pin point (how much, exactly is "tons of ****"?), and that way they don't have to admit they just ain't got it.

Notice the only thing you never hear someone say is: "I'm just not good enough?"

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[TT Eric]

Genetics is clearly a huge factor... I was discussing about this today, all the training partners I had in the 13 years I've train had better results, strength & growth then me, even though I never trained with someone who was more disciplined then me at # 2,3,4 & 5. People that simply jumped into my routine and did the same as me, me trying to push them like I push myself and I just saw them grow and gain in front of me, faster then me, being sloppier then me at 2-5. It's a fact I accepted a long time ago, it doesn't keep from training with all I have to gain all I can. I just wondered what would have been the result if I had this genetic advantage.

Eric

[cog]

HOW TO TURN PRO - by Tom Prince

I'm going to cut right to it. Here's EXACTLY, word for word, what it takes for anyone to turn pro:

1. Genetics
2. Busting your ass in the gym
3. Knowing how to eat alot of good food
4. Knowing what it means to "rest"
5. 12-15 YEARS of being consistant, and never missing a scheduled workout (*note: you are allowed to miss 2-3 workouts in that 12-15 years for funerals, family tragedy, etc.)

NOW.. here's how 1-5 plays out: Your GENETICS, you are born with, and can't do nothing about. Numbers 2,3,4, I could teach a retarded monkey with a brain amputation.

And #5.. is why 99.99999% of the people fail.. and fall dead on their ass.

Notice is doesn't say "gear" or "steroids" in there at all. If you are one of those people that walks around saying "he's just big because he's on tons of ****!", then you will NEVER make it. NEVER!!

Steroids, GH, gear.. is the ultimate weak minded pussies excuse. Because, if it's GEAR, they never have to admit they aren't good enough. These people come up with an abstract excuse that no one can exactly pin point (how much, exactly is "tons of ****"?), and that way they don't have to admit they just ain't got it.

Notice the only thing you never hear someone say is: "I'm just not good enough?"

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First off,Dorian prepared for the Olympia,not Grand Prix shows eh?Secondly,the only person I have ever believed about drugs was Rock DeFerro,after he just about died after a show and swore off drugs.

This guy I was talking about,he was about your height and 60 pounds heavier.Is more protein going to enable you to bridge that gap?His gh protocol was way different as well......waaayy different.

Of course it takes consistency,and being able to channel all your energy towards workouts.Not many can do that.This is more important than gear,but unless you can tolerate,or are willing to,forget it.I can think of two naturals that were highly acclaimed in M&F and Flex years back,great genetics.People higly anticipated them making the leap.One North African guy quit after a week,stating that his health was not worth the meager returns at the time.An American of Italian ancestry also decided against and eventually faded from the scene.

Prince might not be the best reference.Life isn't too good for him right now.

[Praetorian]

Dorian did 7 Mr Olympia'a, 8 Grand Prix's, and 2 NOC...of course not just O's...not sure what you mean by that. ALso yes there are, were, and will be many guys who get sick or have health issues mostly related to kidney disease due to two main culprits in Pro BB...high blood pressure and diuretics. Don Long, Flex Wheeler, Tom Prince, Mohammed Benaziza, Andreas Munzer to name a few. This however doesnt change the fact of the varied dosages seen in the pros. The point is not that pros take low to moderate dosages because of course that is not true....there are many who take massive dosages BUT the point is the massive dosages are not necessary nor are they propelling the guys who do that to the top...sorry this is NOT happening. How many pro shows or Olympia's did Craig Titus win? How about Lee Priest? How about Kevin Levrone who didnt even train for six months. I know what many pros take because ive trained a number and have many as friends and many have turned pro being friends from the amateur level. The other misnomer is that 1000mg weekly of a drug say testosterone is much harder on your system then say 500mg...this is not true. Your HPTA is shut down at a TRT dosage so after that it doesnt matter until you hit a dosage that the body starts to work hard to remove...then you will start to see increasing sides and flu like symptoms. The main issue with almost any aas is the silent killer high blood pressure because you usually dont realize you have it until its too late and you have damaged your kidneys. This is where most BB run into trouble and can happen with low dosages as easily as higher ones. The other issue is letting your body weight get too high ie Greg Kovacs and many strong men...the heart just is over taxed at that weight and this increases the odds of health issues.

Yes some guys take alot of gear as well some guys take moderate amounts or maybe the better word to use is optimal amounts...mostly because they have become informed over the years and learned what works and what is just over kill or a waste. Its up to the individual and the decision they make but the generalization that you need massive amounts of gear is complete nonsense. A guy I trained with in the last three years turned pro on a meager amount of prop and winstrol....mainly because thats all he could afford.

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[Praetorian]

Oh yeah forgot to mention that was with absolutely zero GH as well!!!

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[Hosehead]

Oh yeah forgot to mention that was with absolutely zero GH as well!!!

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Really ? I always assumed he did. A deceased bber who was good friends with Nimrod King told me that he and Nimrod used to use the old style cadaver GH as far back as the late 80's so I assumed it's been a staple with the pros since Haney's reign. On a related note, that bber died of a rare form of brain cancer , as did Lyle Alzado , who blamed his own death on old style GH .If I remember correctly , even Alzado's own physician said that none of his drug use caused his cancer.
Although I am surprised that he did not use GH , I do believe it. A good source once told me that Ronnie's main staples were just straight test and Var. Possible.

[cog]

Really ? I always assumed he did. A deceased bber who was good friends with Nimrod King told me that he and Nimrod used to use the old style cadaver GH as far back as the late 80's so I assumed it's been a staple with the pros since Haney's reign. On a related note, that bber died of a rare form of brain cancer , as did Lyle Alzado , who blamed his own death on old style GH .If I remember correctly , even Alzado's own physician said that none of his drug use caused his cancer.
Although I am surprised that he did not use GH , I do believe it. A good source once told me that Ronnie's main staples were just straight test and Var. Possible.

It was broadly hinted that Platz used gh starting in the year he made a major transformation,81 or 82,and bbers had been toying with other drugs such as those meant to treat Parkinsons,and opiates do the job as well.

[scottlove]

Really ? I always assumed he did. A deceased bber who was good friends with Nimrod King told me that he and Nimrod used to use the old style cadaver GH as far back as the late 80's so I assumed it's been a staple with the pros since Haney's reign. On a related note, that bber died of a rare form of brain cancer , as did Lyle Alzado , who blamed his own death on old style GH .If I remember correctly , even Alzado's own physician said that none of his drug use caused his cancer.
Although I am surprised that he did not use GH , I do believe it. A good source once told me that Ronnie's main staples were just straight test and Var. Possible.

I read, somewhere, that the use of cadaver GH didn't cause cancer itself, but if the cadaver was carrying cancer in his body there was a chance that some of those cancer cells could get into the GH that the user was injecting.

[cog]

^^^^
Creutzfeldt Jacob disease.

[TT Eric]

It was broadly hinted that Platz used gh starting in the year he made a major transformation,81 or 82,and bbers had been toying with other drugs such as those meant to treat Parkinsons,and opiates do the job as well.

Some other claim it's also when he started HIT, anyhow his upper body really took off in those time. I always liked Platz.

Eric

[Hosehead]

I read, somewhere, that the use of cadaver GH didn't cause cancer itself, but if the cadaver was carrying cancer in his body there was a chance that some of those cancer cells could get into the GH that the user was injecting.

Yes, that was my understanding as well.

[Praetorian]

There were 59 deaths due to CJD from using cadaver GH prior to RHGH being produced in 1985. Tom PLatz was and is one of the most intelligent BB since the early days not to mention one crazy mofo when it comes to training. To think that he would be stupid enough to "experiment with HGH at that time is highly improbable. BUT is sure does lend itself nicely to those with shitty development and a lack of accountability.

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[cog]

^^^^^
Were you reading M&F on a regular basis back then Prae?He thought long and hard about it and went to Hawaii to conduct this.

[Praetorian]

Since the late 70's or early 80's cant remember if it was even called MF... had every issue.
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[Praetorian]

Bodybuilding Legend Tom Platz Discusses Steroids in Bodybuilding
By Millard Baker, Senior Writer, Steroid.com

Tom Platz discussed the topic of anabolic steroids in bodybuilding during a recent seminar in Michigan. Platz was invited by bodybuilding contest promoter Mike Vruggink to conduct the seminar for participants in the NPC Grand Rapids Bodybuilding Championships on May 26, 2013.

During a question and answer portion of the seminar, Platz was asked about the prevalence of steroid use in professional bodybuilding. Platz, who has a reputation for honesty on even the most controversial topics, did not shy away from discussing the taboo topic. Rather Platz answered the question directly and admitted that steroid use was an unavoidable part of the sport. But Platz emphasized that success in bodybuilding was about much, much more than the muscle-building drugs.

"Does is go on? Certainly, it does,” Platz said. “But there's a lot to be said about the other things these people do than just the drugs."

Anabolic steroids and other muscle-building drugs can obviously assist in the enhancement of muscle size and strength. But there are a lot of things that steroids can't do. They can't make individuals go to the gym and train hard and smart. They can't teach bodybuilding competitors how to pose. They can't establish the elusive stage presence during a posing routine. And they can't help an aspiring bodybuilding and fitness athlete to project a professional image.

"Drugs don't make the athlete, but they're involved," Platz said. "It takes much more than just the muscles to be a champion."

tom platz

Top professional bodybuilders during the past decade are dramatically larger and more muscular than practically all of the competitive bodybuilders who were contemporaries of Platz during the 1970s and 1980s. Most people assume that the primary reason for this evolution in the sports, for better or worse, is due to the increase in the dosages of steroids used and the addition of several additional drugs such as human growth hormone (hGH), insulin, and various peptides.

While this may be true to some degree, Platz reminded seminar attendees that regardless of the drugs being used by bodybuilders, it's not the drugs that create champions.

"The same champions will be champions without taking drugs," Platz said.

Platz suggested that the main reason that bodybuilders of today are almost unrecognizable when compared to bodybuilders of Platz's day is due to the increased popularity of bodybuilding. The fitness revolution has created an explosion of commercial gyms in the United States. And with the increased accessibility of the tools of physique modification comes increased exposure to bodybuilding for the massives. The larger gene pool from which the sport of bodybuilding can draw, the more individuals that can be found who are “predestined” to be bodybuilders.

"The biggest difference between my day and now is we're tapping into the genetic pool much more efficiently now,” according to Platz. “The people who are in it now are predestined to do this."

Platz is a legendary bodybuilder in his own right. He was the former 1980 Mr. Universe and a frequent top-ten Mr. Olympia competitor. In spite of competing several decades before current bodybulding greats such as Ronnie Coleman, Jay Cutler, Kai Greene and Phil Heath, Platz is still considered by many to have achieved the most impressive leg development of any bodybuilder past or present.

Platz will certainly be remembered for his remarkable quadriceps and hamstrings. But he is almost as well-known for his honesty as well as his intelligent approach to bodybuilding. His participation in the sport continues as he always works to give back to the sport.

Source:

Olsen, C. (May 27, 2013). Former Mr. Universe Tom Platz offers fitness advice, his take on steroids. Retrieved from http://blog.mlive.com/grpress/sports_impact/print.html?entry=/2013/05/former_mr_universe_tom_platz_o.htm

[cog]

Muscle&Fitness,which was Weider's flagship before Flex was launched.Flex gave him the chance to modernize his methods,some of which had become widely derided such as the guillotine style bench press.

[Praetorian]

Most magazines now are nothing but rehashed articles by awful writers and advertisements for shitty supplements...truly sad.
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[cog]

I will agree with some of what Platz says,drugs cannot give you the fiber density that he had in his wheels,and it's well known he pushed hard.

[Hosehead]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjtVvYk1HWw

[cog]

I would like to know what his heart rate was after that.


Actually Prae has stated that gh can influence hyperplasia.

[Praetorian]

His heart rate would be relatively high as would anyone's doing high reps with weights...what would be of value to know is how fast it dropped afterwards.

The entire purpose of running HGH for lean mass gains is hyperplasia....that's also why high androgens are necessary when trying to gain mass with gh because hyperplasia only creates satellite cells and testosterone is necessary for their maturation.

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[warlock]

[QUOTE=TT Eric;448179]Genetics is clearly a huge factor... I was discussing about this today, all the training partners I had in the 13 years I've train had better results, strength & growth then me, even though I never trained with someone who was more disciplined then me at # 2,3,4 & 5. People that simply jumped into my routine and did the same as me, me trying to push them like I push myself and I just saw them grow and gain in front of me, faster then me, being sloppier then me at 2-5. It's a fact I accepted a long time ago, it doesn't keep from training with all I have to gain all I can. I just wondered what would have been the result if I had this genetic advantage.

Eric[/QUOTE
Train with me and you will feel good about yourself...:peace

[Odysseus]

People that simply jumped into my routine and did the same as me, me trying to push them like I push myself and I just saw them grow and gain in front of me, faster then me, being sloppier then me at 2-5. It's a fact I accepted a long time ago, it doesn't keep from training with all I have to gain all I can. I just wondered what would have been the result if I had this genetic advantage.

Eric
Train with me and you will feel good about yourself...:peace


I'm sure you're being too hard on yourself. You probably look a lot better than you think. The other day I walked into the gym after being off cycle and clean for 4 months and losing a significant amount of size (school and work - no time to train properly or diet right) and there were a couple of somewhat big guys in there. At first I thought "ughh I feel small." But once I started training and getting pumped, I noticed something. Side by side next to these guys, they don't even have that much more size than me at all, and that's me OFF CYCLE. In fact, they had a great deal more fat than me. If they were to lose all the fat and drop down to maybe 6% - 10%, they would be MUCH smaller. I looked so lean and conditioned despite losing some size coming off. But when I lift, you can see striations and it just looks like skin and muscle. They, on the other hand, are clearly juicing and have that watery puffy look. But here's the kicker - they ALWAYS look like that - YEAR ROUND. They're afraid to lose size so they never lose that fat and just look watery and soft all the time. It's an ego thing because being fatter makes you feel bigger. I'd rather be lean.

Point of this story is: we are our own worst critic. Learn to compete only against yourself and don't worry about how others look, because chances are they're looking at you and thinking that YOU look better than them.

[TT Eric]

Train with me and you will feel good about yourself...:peace

Or you might me surprised how fast you would grow training with me! :)

Eric

[Primal]

Or you might me surprised how fast you would grow training with me! :)

Eric

LOL I'd do anything to train with anyone of you guys! :(