Low libido on contest prep/cycle

[theslime]

Im 11 weeks out from a show and seem to have no interest in sex at all, which I would like to change. I am running Test (1g), eq ((600) and tren en (250) and i will switch to my contest prep compounds in two weeks. I am running 1.25 mg letro/40 mg nolva for another week and half to try to get rid of minor gyno before my show. I know that it impacts libido and want to get back to normal as soon as possible. I have cabaser, proviron and hcg on hand. Would you run only test prop for a week to return to more normal levels before switching to my precontest compounds? Would it be beneficial to start running hcg and proviron while still using letro? What im really not sure about is what to use, at what dose, and will it negatively impact my contest prep? I know its a lot of info but any help would be much appreciated, I dont want another 11 weeks with no libido!

[St]

Man i went throught what you had many times just take Hcg at 2500-5000iu's for two shots once every 5 days then it will work on day 5.You can keep your cycle just the way it is.

[simon85]

Proviron will make a huge difference in libido. 50mg/ed

[theslime]

Man i went throught what you had many times just take Hcg at 2500-5000iu's for two shots once every 5 days then it will work on day 5.You can keep your cycle just the way it is.

Im not sure I get what youre saying. Just to be sure you want me to run a whole amp of hcg (5000 iu) today and another in 5 days? Is that what you mean by saying it should work on day 5, or do you mean on my 5th shot?

[wrought]

letro can kill your sex drive.

[gustavo77]

letro can kill your sex drive.

Ok, i have read this one too many times.... how the **** does lowering your estrogen kill sex drive?? That does not make any sense. HIGH estrogen increases SHBG, locking up free test, lowering libido AND gains. HIGH estrogen increases water retention and BP often causing sexual performance issues. Low testosterone NOT low estrogen is associated with poor libido, low energy levels and depression.

Now to the issue at hand... Running high test for long periods of time can cause an abnormal increase in SHBG. Solution: 50mg of Proviron per day.

Tren can cause a rise in prolactin. Prolactin is released in males immediately after ejaculation. I should not need to spell out the correlation here.. Solution: 0.5mg of Dostinex/Cabaser e3rd.

ALL AAS cause the leydig cells of the testes to stop functioning. Solution: HCG. HCG should be ran from a cycle's beginning to end, keeping the leydig cells of the testes functioning will make them immediately responsive to pct. Not only that but HCG will keep libido high and keep a man shooting rather than dribbling, if you know what i mean. If used the entire cycle 500iu e3rd or simply 2x per week (ie mon, thurs) will suffice. In your case Slime i suggest running 1000iu e3rd day for 5 shots then run 500iu e3rd right up until 4-5 days before you start your pct meds.

[theslime]

Ok, i have read this one too many times.... how the **** does lowering your estrogen kill sex drive?? That does not make any sense. HIGH estrogen increases SHBG, locking up free test, lowering libido AND gains. HIGH estrogen increases water retention and BP often causing sexual performance issues. Low testosterone NOT low estrogen is associated with poor libido, low energy levels and depression.

Now to the issue at hand... Running high test for long periods of time can cause an abnormal increase in SHBG. Solution: 50mg of Proviron per day.

Tren can cause a rise in prolactin. Prolactin is released in males immediately after ejaculation. I should not need to spell out the correlation here.. Solution: 0.5mg of Dostinex/Cabaser e3rd.

ALL AAS cause the leydig cells of the testes to stop functioning. Solution: HCG. HCG should be ran from a cycle's beginning to end, keeping the leydig cells of the testes functioning will make them immediately responsive to pct. Not only that but HCG will keep libido high and keep a man shooting rather than dribbling, if you know what i mean. If used the entire cycle 500iu e3rd or simply 2x per week (ie mon, thurs) will suffice. In your case Slime i suggest running 1000iu e3rd day for 5 shots then run 500iu e3rd right up until 4-5 days before you start your pct meds.

Sounds like a plan. I will start the hcg. For the pct, I usually dont really do it. I cruise at 250 mg for a few weeks. Wil it still work? Or do i absolutely need pct. Ive made the decision a year and a half ago to blast/cruise and it worked well, I know the risks but Ive been at this for a while now and I dont think the crash is worth it or that ill ever rebound to acceptable levels.

[gustavo77]

Sounds like a plan. I will start the hcg. For the pct, I usually dont really do it. I cruise at 250 mg for a few weeks. Wil it still work? Or do i absolutely need pct. Ive made the decision a year and a half ago to blast/cruise and it worked well, I know the risks but Ive been at this for a while now and I dont think the crash is worth it or that ill ever rebound to acceptable levels.

So you stay on 250mg/wk UNTIL you start your next cycle or do you just use 250mg/wk for a few weeks then stop cold turkey??

[theslime]

So you stay on 250mg/wk UNTIL you start your next cycle or do you just use 250mg/wk for a few weeks then stop cold turkey??

I plan to stay on 25o mg for 6 weeks before going in my next bulker. Might go in for surgery around that time too.

[gustavo77]

I plan to stay on 25o mg for 6 weeks before going in my next bulker. Might go in for surgery around that time too.

Then there is no need for pct, as you will just be wasting the pct drugs. It will still be a good idea to use HCG, as it will keep the boyz working incase you ever decide to come off totally.

[St]

Im not sure I get what youre saying. Just to be sure you want me to run a whole amp of hcg (5000 iu) today and another in 5 days? Is that what you mean by saying it should work on day 5, or do you mean on my 5th shot?


Take a shot every 5 days for a total of 2 shot,and in five days after your first shot you will have wood when you wake up in the morning.So say today you take a shot on Tuesday,your next shot will be Sunday 5000iu's.Yes you can do the whole amps since you take over a gram a week,and you need a big shot to get the boys going again.

[phatkid77]

i personally would not go over 500iu per shot....theories suggest that in itself will descensitice the boys.... NOT GOOD...

and gustavo.... low estrogen does cause joint pain and sex drive issues, like all drugs and shit... too high of something causes the same sides as too low...need to be in the middle....

phats

[GTZ3]

Letro will ****ing zap your sex drive... a quick fix would be proviron, and maybe consider switching from letro to aromasin.

[MuSuLPhReAk]

:)

[gustavo77]

i personally would not go over 500iu per shot....theories suggest that in itself will descensitice the boys.... NOT GOOD...

and gustavo.... low estrogen does cause joint pain and sex drive issues, like all drugs and shit... too high of something causes the same sides as too low...need to be in the middle....

phats

I have read of HCG being prescribed at up to 1500iu e3rd day for years on end without any desensitization of the testes. Desensitization is most likely to occur when shots are taken to frequently as the testes respond best to "pulse" type stimulation rather than constant....HCG causes peak output of the testes within 72hrs, that is why it best to take shots every 3-4 days. Dosing HCG any sooner MAY cause some desensitization.

Yes, I agree that low estrogen can cause joint issues but you have to remember that these A.I. have been tested only on men with normal estrogen levels. Do you honestly think that someone's estrogen levels are in the normal range while on 500-1000mg of test per week?? Taking the appropriate dose of A.I. on cycle will merely bring estrogen levels back down to normal range, while test levels remain high.

[gustavo77]

a quick fix would be proviron, and maybe consider switching from letro to aromasin.

Agreed...Aromasin is the best AI. Not as harsh as letro and does not effect the lipid profile like letro and adex.

[theslime]

Then there is no need for pct, as you will just be wasting the pct drugs. It will still be a good idea to use HCG, as it will keep the boyz working incase you ever decide to come off totally.

Okay bro, thanks. Just another quick question: how often should I run hcg, like 5 shots E3D (around 500 ius per shot) every 4 months or so?

[gustavo77]

Okay bro, thanks. Just another quick question: how often should I run hcg, like 5 shots E3D (around 500 ius per shot) every 4 months or so?

Like i said before run the first 5 shots @1000iu e3rd day, your testes will need a little more stimulation since they have been shut down for a while...then just run 500iu e3rd day or what i do for the sake of simplicity, twice per week (ie mon, thurs...tues, fri etc..). If you ever plan on coming off then i would run the HCG from now on, no breaks. I have been on since last Jan and have only missed three weeks of HCG in July cause my source was out. The first two shots i took though when i got it was 1000iu...now back to 500iu 2x per week and my boyz are rocking.

Again, the protocol i am giving you is what is prescribed by many HRT docs. A friend of mine in the US is on prescription TRT plus 1500iu of HCG e3rd day...i am no doc but i do just fine on 500iu two times per week..my point is that 500-1500iu is a safe amount, as long as it is not taken too frequently, shots need to be taken at least 3 days apart...it takes 72hrs for HCG to fully do it's thing, let it do it.

[purelife]

Listen to Gustavo this man knows what he's talking about
Very very helpfull

[gustavo77]

Listen to Gustavo this man knows what he's talking about
Very very helpfull

Thanks for the bump bro but this is all stuff that i have learned from reading and being pointed in the right direction from knowledge people on the boards. Believe it or not, if you sift through enough of the bullshit online you CAN actually learn something. That said, i have a lot to learn...time to read...lol.

[BAM]

proviron

[theslime]

So with the hcg and proviron in the mix with my contest cycle, and since i only have letro and nolva on hand, what would you guys suggest as far as anti es go, controlling bloat, etc. My precontest cycle, starting in a week and a half will be 150 mg test prop ED, 75 mg tren a ED, 50 mg Winstrol pills ED. I was thinking 20 mg nolva per day and 1.25 mg letro E3D. Does that make sense?

[gustavo77]

So with the hcg and proviron in the mix with my contest cycle, and since i only have letro and nolva on hand, what would you guys suggest as far as anti es go, controlling bloat, etc. My precontest cycle, starting in a week and a half will be 150 mg test prop ED, 75 mg tren a ED, 50 mg Winstrol pills ED. I was thinking 20 mg nolva per day and 1.25 mg letro E3D. Does that make sense?

NO NEED FOR NOLVA!! Nolva lowers GH and IGF-1 levels, plus you are already going to be taking two anti-e's...letro to lower estrogen and proviron to block any remaining estro from binding to the receptor. I'd go with the 1.25mg of letro eod-e3rd (try e3rd and see how that goes) and 50mg of proviron per day....if you are still holding water with those two drugs then your diet is off...put down the salt shaker...lol.

[Musclehead]

You are obviously overtraining and too depleted of energy.....that's all. I can't believe you're felling like this at 11 weeks out though, you're calories must be pretty low.

[theslime]

NO NEED FOR NOLVA!! Nolva lowers GH and IGF-1 levels, plus you are already going to be taking two anti-e's...letro to lower estrogen and proviron to block any remaining estro from binding to the receptor. I'd go with the 1.25mg of letro eod-e3rd (try e3rd and see how that goes) and 50mg of proviron per day....if you are still holding water with those two drugs then your diet is off...put down the salt shaker...lol.


Alright. I really have to thank you and all the other guys for the quality of your advice.

[theslime]

You are obviously overtraining and too depleted of energy.....that's all. I can't believe you're felling like this at 11 weeks out though, you're calories must be pretty low.

I actually felt it even before i cut my cals so Im not sure its related, we'll see how the hcg and proviron help. But my workouts are long. My trainer has me doing short rest intervals, and lots of sets (sometimes up to seven exercices in one training for up to six sets). I also do cardio 4x/week, 45 min at an even pace, My cals are around 2600 (about 120 g of carbs per day) and I weigh 212 this morning at 5'9. Bodyfat % was 8.2% when I started at 15 weeks out at 224, now its at 6.4%, 4 weeks later. I want to come in at 198 pounds (light heavy).