OK, so I am in ketosis

[ZeOne]

So I peed on the Ketostick. There is some purple. I do however feel like crap, unable to focus and really hungry, even though I am eating meats and fats (no carbs).

I will see if I can keep this up for 2 more days. I hope it will get better.

On the positive side though, I significantly reduced my insulin intake since there is no more carb around to be burned.

[gsxr750]

I have read that upping your EFAS will help with that. Flax oil is good! :)

[shithead]

fish oil even better. After about 5-7 days it gets better. Cravings go away and only come back when I slip up.

[Freebsd1977]

So I peed on the Ketostick. There is some purple. I do however feel like crap, unable to focus and really hungry, even though I am eating meats and fats (no carbs).

I will see if I can keep this up for 2 more days. I hope it will get better.

On the positive side though, I significantly reduced my insulin intake since there is no more carb around to be burned.

Welcome to ketosis, that hunger feeling will pass though.

[O-Train]

This is a systematic review of low carb diets.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12684364?dopt=Abstract

Your body is adjusting because in physiological terms you're starving yourself. Also I'm sure it was a typo but your body produces insulin, it doesn't take it in. Probably just a mix up cause your brain isn't getting any sugar.

[ZeOne]

Also I'm sure it was a typo but your body produces insulin, it doesn't take it in. Probably just a mix up cause your brain isn't getting any sugar.

LOL...no typo, but thanks for giving me the benefit of the doubt.

I am a diabetic, hence I need exogenous insulin to survive. With a low carb diet, I have to drastically lower my insulin intake or else I will be in a dangerously hypoglycemic state all day long.

[tex]

i hated the keto diet.....works for lots tho.....good luck

[5151]

what day are you on? I find the hardest part the fourth/fifth day depending on supplementation

[ZeOne]

what day are you on? I find the hardest part the fourth/fifth day depending on supplementation

5151, I am on my second day. I only have traces of ketons though. I will be using a bit of insulin to deplete my glycogen stores faster so I can stay more in ketosis.

I decided to do Freebsd's 3-1 routine where you do 3 days of low carb and 1 days of regular carb.

This is more of an experiment really right now as I don't want to cut now that the summer is more than half way through.

I am currently monitoring my blood glucose levels every 3 hours. My levels are the best they have ever been (which is normal given that glucose is not entering my system but sparingly).

[tex]

3 days on? doesnt it take 3-4 days just to get into true ketosis?

[ZeOne]

3 days on? doesnt it take 3-4 days just to get into true ketosis?

You know what Tex, I tested another urine sample. I am now at ~40 mg/dL, which is moderate ketosis. I will be researching a bit more to see how high you're recommended to go.

As far as time-frame, I can get in ketosis in under one day using insulin (by forcefully depleting glycogen stores), so that 3 days 1 day routine sounds good to me.

But as I said before, I am still experimenting. I might try to go for 5 days just to see if I can make it psychologically.

So far a lot of ups and downs.

[Freebsd1977]

3-1 split works for me, let us know how it works out for you ZeOne.

[SteveMan]

Some peoples breath smell like absolute shit when in ketosis because I guess ketones stink balls when they get burned up. I knew this chick and she smelt like burnt hair and turds, really nasty.

[5151]

You know what Tex, I tested another urine sample. I am now at ~40 mg/dL, which is moderate ketosis. I will be researching a bit more to see how high you're recommended to go.

As far as time-frame, I can get in ketosis in under one day using insulin (by forcefully depleting glycogen stores), so that 3 days 1 day routine sounds good to me.

But as I said before, I am still experimenting. I might try to go for 5 days just to see if I can make it psychologically.

So far a lot of ups and downs.

I find it amazing you can get into ketosis that quickly. I'm sure you have more experience with exogenous insulin but I would be careful when using it to thrust yourself into ketosis that quickly. With that said I think you may be better off on a 5-2 split as this would have you only going through the difficult period once a week whereas the 3-1 would have you going through the difficult period twice a week.

[ZeOne]

I find it amazing you can get into ketosis that quickly. I'm sure you have more experience with exogenous insulin but I would be careful when using it to thrust yourself into ketosis that quickly. With that said I think you may be better off on a 5-2 split as this would have you only going through the difficult period once a week whereas the 3-1 would have you going through the difficult period twice a week.

Thanks for the tip 5151. Honestly, I am still experimenting at this stage and assessing my tolerance. I will try the 5-2 for sure. But so far, I am not liking this low-carb diet :(

I feel that my brain is foggy and my thought are hazy and unclear. I also had a rough day today in my personal life, but still resisted the urge to go for some sweet "comfort" food.

The stick showed lighter purple this morning, and then darker as the day went by. Apparently though, if there is a hint of color, you're good.

[ZeOne]

I am glad to report that I dropped 3% BF since last Monday. Energy levels are going back up to normal, although I did loose some strength.

[Freebsd1977]

I am glad to report that I dropped 3% BF since last Monday. Energy levels are going back up to normal, although I did loose some strength.

Congrats man, that's great. Keep up the great work!!! :tu

[gsxr750]

Awesome man! Keep us updated. Take some pics!

[The Terminator]

Keep it going bro, that's some excellent progress. I missed this thread originally, but I love keto diets for fat loss. I've played with TKD and CKD, as well as straight keto over the last couple of years, as well as done a tone of reading, so I'll keep a close eye on this thread and help out if I can. If you need a quick answer to something, fire me a PM.

Quick question for you though - how much of each macro are you taking in right now? Are you doing a weekly carb up at all?

Matt

[ZeOne]

Keep it going bro, that's some excellent progress. I missed this thread originally, but I love keto diets for fat loss. I've played with TKD and CKD, as well as straight keto over the last couple of years, as well as done a tone of reading, so I'll keep a close eye on this thread and help out if I can. If you need a quick answer to something, fire me a PM.

Quick question for you though - how much of each macro are you taking in right now? Are you doing a weekly carb up at all?

Matt

Macros? I am on a equal ratio of fat and protein and 20g of carbs maximum daily.

I do carb loading from Friday night to Sunday night.

When I carb loaded last week-end, I gained 4 lbs pound after having lost almost 6 pounds during that week. Fat stood the same, which is great.

The only downside is that I get no more pump and I am getting skinnier by the minute...almost too fast.

As this is more an experiment of a diet more than a real diet, I may up the carb to 100g/day and loose the fat more slowly but retain more muscle mass, strength and fuller muscles.

Right now the only good day of training I get is Monday. The rest of the week is pretty tough. I feel as though my muscles are really depleted.

[ZeOne]

Keep it going bro, that's some excellent progress. I missed this thread originally, but I love keto diets for fat loss. I've played with TKD and CKD, as well as straight keto over the last couple of years, as well as done a tone of reading, so I'll keep a close eye on this thread and help out if I can.

A question Matt,

How can you avoid the strength loss experienced during CKD? today my back training was not impressive at all. I couldn't do 225Lbs 3x on the barbell row where I usually would do it 8 times. By the 3rd time today, I was done.

[The Terminator]

You can't, until a bit farther into the diet. ;) Once you're able to metabolize fat efficiently, you're going to take a bit longer to get the energy from the fat. At least that's why I've seen in others and myself.

One question I have is did you do the 2 weeks of no carb to get into deep ketosis before carbing up?

The only other thing that can up strength besides waiting the 2 to 6 weeks that it takes to really metabolize fat efficiently is to do TKD instead. I'd recommend reading "The Ketogenic Diet" by Lyle McDonald. This will give the difference between the two if you don't already know.

Once the energy comes up, you're good to go! One thing you might want to consider doing is working out on Saturday and Sunday, and then hitting an intense HIT workout midweek while you're depleted working full body. Remember, you're going to have less energy and strength just due to the fact you're running on fat instead of glucose.

As far as running equal protein and fats, I'd advice against this. Do 1lb of protein per pound of bodyweight, and run the fats higher. This will help you avoid gluconeogenesis, which is the breaking down of protein into glucose. That's the last thing you want right now. Ketosis is already a protein sparing state, so you can use far less protein than normal.

What's the diet looking like if you don't mind me asking?

Matt

[ZeOne]

You can't, until a bit farther into the diet. ;) Once you're able to metabolize fat efficiently, you're going to take a bit longer to get the energy from the fat. At least that's why I've seen in others and myself.

All right, hopefully then strength will come back.



One question I have is did you do the 2 weeks of no carb to get into deep ketosis before carbing up?


No. I am on a 20g/day carbs right now, and it takes me one night to go in ketosis. At least that is what the sticks tell me. I use insulin to force deplete excess glycogen stores.

But reading through various books and articles, apparently there is no "deep" ketosis or light "ketosis", once you're in ketosis and ketone bodies are being spilled in urine, you're good to go. Some people say that the deeper purple indicates de-hydration.



The only other thing that can up strength besides waiting the 2 to 6 weeks that it takes to really metabolize fat efficiently is to do TKD instead. I'd recommend reading "The Ketogenic Diet" by Lyle McDonald. This will give the difference between the two if you don't already know.

Once the energy comes up, you're good to go! One thing you might want to consider doing is working out on Saturday and Sunday, and then hitting an intense HIT workout midweek while you're depleted working full body. Remember, you're going to have less energy and strength just due to the fact you're running on fat instead of glucose.

As far as running equal protein and fats, I'd advice against this. Do 1lb of protein per pound of bodyweight, and run the fats higher. This will help you avoid gluconeogenesis, which is the breaking down of protein into glucose. That's the last thing you want right now. Ketosis is already a protein sparing state, so you can use far less protein than normal.

What's the diet looking like if you don't mind me asking?

Matt

TBH, I think I am doing more a pseudo Anabolic diet than anything else, minus the fact that my protein is higher than it should be.

I eat whenever I am hungry, which is almost every 3 hours or so. For the last day I upped my fat vs my protein because I keep on getting this recommendation.

On week-end I eat whatever I want to eat, and on Monday morning I m in ketosis.

I check for ketosis first thing in morning and later after-noon. So far it is good, and the urine shows moderate amounts of ketone.

I did manage to loose 3% fat, and as of today, only lost 2 pounds of total body weight. I can start to see more definition on my abs, and my love handles are shrinking by the day.

So far the only negative I have is the loss of strength. The focus and mood last week (my first week) were devastating. This week I feel much better, and the cravings are a lot more under control.

Oh, and also I am starting to get an oily taste in my mouth due to a lot of fat consumption. This kind of sucks as well.


-Z-

[bigdaddydrew123]

you doin a cheat day once / week

[ZeOne]

you doin a cheat day once / week

I am doing carb loading on week-ends.

[ZeOne]

On a side note since I got asked this question more than one time, yes, I do count carbs in fiber towards my daily total carbs intake.

[fathead]

on the weekends are you doing the proper ckd refeed (carb up) or just eating whatever you want? ie- carbs and fats on those days?

[ZeOne]

on the weekends are you doing the proper ckd refeed (carb up) or just eating whatever you want? ie- carbs and fats on those days?

nah, eating fat and carbs food like pizzas mostly early like on Saturday noon or earlier if I really crave them. Otherwise I borrowed some points from Ultimate Diet 2.0 where my carb up is mostly starch, low fat and regular proteine (around 1g/lb)

[The Terminator]

Ahhh..Anabolic Diet by DiPasquale. Those were some good times. :D

There is a deep ketosis, as it can lead to ketoacidosis. ;) It's not likely at all in your case, but it is something to consider for those not doing carb ups, especially Type 1 Diabetics.

Keep on the diet, it works. I had to stop as I developed some severe blood sugar issues that I did not go to the doctor about. I should have, but I knew what was happening. I was close to passing out a lot of the time, having loss of balance, among other things like blood in stool and such.

Not cool.

But, I got that all fixed up by myself. Just took some time, about 6 months, and was able to hit CKD again with good results.

Matt

[ZeOne]

Ahhh..Anabolic Diet by DiPasquale. Those were some good times. :D

There is a deep ketosis, as it can lead to ketoacidosis. ;) It's not likely at all in your case, but it is something to consider for those not doing carb ups, especially Type 1 Diabetics.


Or the other way around, ketoacidosis leads to deep ketosis.

I think ketosis gets a bad reputation because of the ketoacidosis.

The 2 conditions are really due to different reasons, but have the same effect of spilling ketone bodies in urines.

In fact, the way I discovered that I was a T1D is because I went to a severe ketoacidosis and lost a lot of weight.

To make a long story short, ketoacidosis is due to a high levels of blood sugar NOT being absorbed by the body due to insulin deficiency. Toxic waists and acids quickly build up and could lead to a fatal condition. Since the body cannot utilize the blood glucose in circulation (remember there is no insulin to metabolize it), it starts burning fat for energy. Does that remind you of something? it is the exact concept of ketosis.

The difference being that on ketosis the body starts burning fat not because it cannot utilize glucose but rather because there is no glucose in the diet to be utilized.

So both conditions do spill ketone bodies in urine because your body will be burning fat for fuel, but this is where the similarities end.

A proper way to check for ketoacidosis is to use the ketostix for ketone bodies detection, but most importantly use a glucometer to check blood sugar levels. If you test positive for ketones AND you have high blood sugar levels you are probably are in ketoacidosis. If you have ketone bodies and a normal or low blood sugar reading then you have nothing to worry about.

[The Terminator]

I want a blood glucose meter so bad, but the strips are so damned expensive... :(

Good info though.

Matt

[ZeOne]

I want a blood glucose meter so bad, but the strips are so damned expensive... :(


Agreed. They nowadays give the glucometer away for free and make tons of profits on test strips (kind of like printers and ink cartridges). They are 1$ per test strip.

I got a prescription so it ends up more like 0.10c per usage.

[ZeOne]

Today was my carb-up day, and I feel like crap. All sleepy with all that sugar. I hate it.

I want it to be Monday already...I like the no carbs period because it keeps my mood and energy levels stable.

Yesterday I trained the shoulders and traps, and didn't feel a thing this morning. I ingested 40g of carbs in at noon and then took a 2 hours nap. I woke up with the worst pump and muscles aches I got in a while.

I do feel somewhat physically sick though from all that sugar, and I just want the carb-up period to end.

I would rather go on a permanent low-carb diet than a cyclic one if it wasn't for the muscle loss.



-Z-

[gsxr750]

I want a blood glucose meter so bad, but the strips are so damned expensive... :(

Good info though.

Matt

How much are you paying for the strips? I Got 100 of them from the pharmacy for $18?

Medicine Shoppe Pharmacy - give them a call.

[gsxr750]

Oops my bad I was thinking Keto strips. Well since I bumped it anyways, how goes the training ZeOne?

[ZeOne]

man, this diet is freaking fantastic. This combined with a nice cycle will dry you out really fast. I am down to 11% BF, at the same weight :)

I hate carb loading days though, you feel like crap, and all these mood swings. I feel great during the week on the low carb days though.

[gsxr750]

Wow... great progress. I checked through the thread and couldn't find your actual diet. Mind sharing what you're eating during your low/no carb days?

[bigdaddydrew123]

man, this diet is freaking fantastic. This combined with a nice cycle will dry you out really fast. I am down to 11% BF, at the same weight :)

I hate carb loading days though, you feel like crap, and all these mood swings. I feel great during the week on the low carb days though.i know what you mean , but their real important to keep mtabolism going.youll feel you need them when you mget to ythat point when there is not much bf left.then you really need that reload.it is like a hangover on carb days

[ZeOne]

Wow... great progress. I checked through the thread and couldn't find your actual diet. Mind sharing what you're eating during your low/no carb days?

Anything that has no carbs goes to just a bit below maintenance level calories wise. Cheese, bacon, sausage, eggs, chicken, turkey, smoked meat, etc.... I eat green veggies with moderation and I limit my glucose to 20g/day, none of them which is simple carbs.

I eat 6 small meals a day, with the biggest meal being the morning one, and the smallest being the last one, usually after my training because I train at night. I also do not consume carbs after 6PM, so my 20g are split in 3 meals before 6.

On week-ends, I just eat what I feel like eating, while trying and consume more complex carbs than simple ones and less fat than during the week.

Simple :)

[SARGE]

I Am Thinking On Trying This Diet,abviosly It Is Something You Dont Just Jump Into & I Will Have To Do A Bunch Of Research.
I Was Wondering If I Could Take An Eca Stack For The Low Energy Days Prior To Training Or Would That **** Things Up.

[ZeOne]

I Am Thinking On Trying This Diet,abviosly It Is Something You Dont Just Jump Into & I Will Have To Do A Bunch Of Research.
I Was Wondering If I Could Take An Eca Stack For The Low Energy Days Prior To Training Or Would That **** Things Up.

No, that is indeed encouraged in some literature. It shouldn't f*ck anything up because it will not affect your insulin levels.

[ZeOne]

I hate Monday mornings on this diet. The mood is really terrible. You wake up with a hangover type of feeling from all that carb loading, and my stomach is killing me.

So far, this has been the most negative aspect for me. But I started eating junk again on week-ends like chocolate and ice-cream...I will try and do a clean carb loading next week and see if it gets any better.

[td1111]

I follow the Dave Palumbo Keto diet, and he advocates only ONE cheat MEAL per week, just to keep the metabolism in check. I know that when I eat whatever I want all weekend, I too feel terrible, then feel poorly as I have to bother re enterting ketosis all over again. The single cheat meal doesn't upset the balance hardly at all.

I also notice that my strength is down when lifting while in ketosis, but my goal with a cutting cycle is muscle preservation, not really expecting gains with a calorie defecit. So I just do higher reps (15) for the sake of muscle confusion and extra calorie burn. I did gain a bit of mass on this cutter this way, though.

[ironwill]

I was talking to CC about this this many times, actually every wknd...I am doing low carbs all week, not keto, but quite low, and on the wknd we have a cheat half-day basically, for 1 or 2 days...I feel so crappy after the carbs days...We eat crap though, ice-crream, pizzas, brownies, all shit stuff...When we do keep it more clean, and more complex carbs and load up, i feel great...But the sugar is exactly like a hangover feel...Bloated eyes, foggy head etc...by tue i feel great again and back on low carbs...im going to go 3 weeks on keto to finish my diet off, then carb-cycle for 3-4 weeks after and then back on regular eating, for me regular will be 50 carbs, 50 protein, 25 g of fat per meal, 5-7 meals per day..
im kind of looking forward to that...I enjoy dieting to see my body change, but jesus, it takes control....not just from not eating foods you want, but seeing yourself get smaller and losing strength..it takes control to not bump it all back up and be more full and strong again...
Good work zeone, i always enjoy reading your writings....awesome stuff..

[ZeOne]

OK, so I am not doing the Keto diet anymore.

It has been 3 weeks now that I have been gradually bringing back carbs into my diet, and I am loving it.

This coupled with my new insulin prescription and the ED Test suspension, I gained 10lbs while keeping fat gain at a minimum. Strength is also going up, fast. Mood swings are also kept at a minimum with the help of the ultra fast insulin.

I am thinking of doing a blitz keto cycles of 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off.

The idea is to gain the most mass I can doing the 2 weeks off, while of course gaining some fat because it is inevitable, and then trying to lose that gained fat during the 2 weeks on, while retaining the muscle mass earned earlier. So after 1 month, I am hoping to have gained 3 pounds + of muscle mass.

Will keep you updated.

[vazsek]

I am thinking of doing a blitz keto cycles of 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off.



Will keep you updated.

very interested to see your results, i was considering 4 on 4 off and was going to ask and see if it has been done.

[ZeOne]

OK, Day 1 of the blitz Keto diet after 4 weeks of no keto.

I gained 12 lbs in the no keto period. I underestimated my fat gains. I gained 1/2 inch around the belly, lets say average case is 50/50

Today, I feel like sh*t...unable to think clearly or function..and strength is definitely going down.

Back to square 0

[5151]

An idea that I think I am going to try out is one advocated by Lyle Mcdonald here: http://bodyrecomposition.com/Fat%20loss/initialbodyfat.html.
Basically cut to 10% bulk until you hit 15% and repeat. It seems to be a more level headed approach than alternating every two weeks.

[kloan]

An idea that I think I am going to try out is one advocated by Lyle Mcdonald here: http://bodyrecomposition.com/Fat%20loss/initialbodyfat.html.
Basically cut to 10% bulk until you hit 15% and repeat. It seems to be a more level headed approach than alternating every two weeks.
I like that idea.. that's what I was thinking for myself.

ZeOne.. I think yer nuts trying to do it 2 weeks on 2 weeks off.. I absolutely hated the way I felt when I first started this diet. Now that it has leveled off I feel like I can go on... but man, those first couple days were shit.

One thing that worries me about this diet is the possible rapid increase in fat gain after going back to eating carbs.

[Houstonbc]

im starting the palumbo 250lb diet tomorrow, do you guys feel hungry all the time?

[kloan]

not really, no.. for the most part i feel full until its meal time

[ZeOne]

im starting the palumbo 250lb diet tomorrow, do you guys feel hungry all the time?

Do you have any links?

[ZeOne]

ZeOne.. I think yer nuts trying to do it 2 weeks on 2 weeks off.. I absolutely hated the way I felt when I first started this diet. Now that it has leveled off I feel like I can go on... but man, those first couple days were shit.


Yeah, on paper my approach makes sens. In practice it is really tough. I will try it and see what kind of results I get.

Will keep you guys posted

[Ritch]

Hey ZeOne, this 2 weeks on 2 weeks on thing... Are you going high carb, high cals durign the bulking phase then keto, low cal for the cutting. If so it really reminds me of the ABCDE diet that the old mm2k threw at us a while back. I tried that and it was real hard to follow, but it was very extreme like the cutting phase had under 2000 cals to it and the bulking being unlimited.

I like the idea 5151 threw out from lyle. Something I`ve done by instinct bulking then restricting to stay in the 10-15%.

[5151]

Hey ZeOne, this 2 weeks on 2 weeks on thing... Are you going high carb, high cals durign the bulking phase then keto, low cal for the cutting. If so it really reminds me of the ABCDE diet that the old mm2k threw at us a while back. I tried that and it was real hard to follow, but it was very extreme like the cutting phase had under 2000 cals to it and the bulking being unlimited.

I like the idea 5151 threw out from lyle. Something I`ve done by instinct bulking then restricting to stay in the 10-15%.

I think it's a good way to stay balanced. I don't know about you but I'm the guy who always wants change. When I'm cutting I want to bulk and when bulking I want to cut. I will start a cut when I get back from vacation I don't think I've been at 10% since I was 6 years old.

[Ritch]

When I'm cutting I want to bulk and when bulking I want to cut. I will start a cut when I get back from vacation I don't think I've been at 10% since I was 6 years old.[/QUOTE]

I`ve always been the same myself when bulking or cutting, wanting to do the opposite. Now I`m bulking and decided to stick with it since it`s so easy for me to cut anyway.

[ZeOne]

Hey ZeOne, this 2 weeks on 2 weeks on thing... Are you going high carb, high cals durign the bulking phase then keto, low cal for the cutting. If so it really reminds me of the ABCDE diet that the old mm2k threw at us a while back. I tried that and it was real hard to follow, but it was very extreme like the cutting phase had under 2000 cals to it and the bulking being unlimited.

I like the idea 5151 threw out from lyle. Something I`ve done by instinct bulking then restricting to stay in the 10-15%.

Yeah, in fact, I got the idea from the ABCDE diet.

How did that work out for you results wise?

[Ritch]

Just didn`t work for me. The bulking although extreme I was able to do, but during the cutting phase I caught a cold, it`s just too extreme. I did 2 cycles of this training. I just don`t think bulking for 2 weeks is long enough for muscle gains. I train every body part once a week so there`s not enough stimulation. A better more natural way to do it would be to bulk for 6-8 weeks then cut for maybe 4 or so. It makes sense in a way that you can`t always go heavy, so if you were to go a bit lighter why not cut and give your nervous system and joints a break from the heavy lifting while droping some bodyfat at the same time.

[ZeOne]

Just didn`t work for me. The bulking although extreme I was able to do, but during the cutting phase I caught a cold, it`s just too extreme. I did 2 cycles of this training. I just don`t think bulking for 2 weeks is long enough for muscle gains. I train every body part once a week so there`s not enough stimulation. A better more natural way to do it would be to bulk for 6-8 weeks then cut for maybe 4 or so. It makes sense in a way that you can`t always go heavy, so if you were to go a bit lighter why not cut and give your nervous system and joints a break from the heavy lifting while droping some bodyfat at the same time.

Yeah, I will try it for a couple of month and see.

I am into ketosis, again, and man, you drop weight fast on this diet.

Strength, size and pump go down as well unfortunately.

[ZeOne]

Funny how on this diet, the appetite drops really fast after the first couple of days.

I didn't eat much today. A spoon of Almonds butter, a piece of cheese and 2 shakes. I am not hungry at all.

My goal is not to go below 202Lbs in this phase or else, I would have lost too much weight.

[ZeOne]

ABORT! ABORT!

14Lbs lost in 5 day!!!!

Sitting at 198Lbs...

I never lost so much weight so fast...muscles are not full or pumped anymore.

Carb loading starts tonight! Next week I might just do low carb instead of Keto.

[5151]

ABORT! ABORT!

14Lbs lost in 5 day!!!!

Sitting at 198Lbs...

I never lost so much weight so fast...muscles are not full or pumped anymore.

Carb loading starts tonight! Next week I might just do low carb instead of Keto.

Though it would be high that is not an insane amount of weight to be expected from glycogen depletion/water. When you carb up step on the scale (post piss of course) the next morning to see what you weigh. If the 14 pounds is back on I would suspect that is normal fluctuation for you.

[Praetorian]

ABORT! ABORT!

14Lbs lost in 5 day!!!!

Sitting at 198Lbs...

I never lost so much weight so fast...muscles are not full or pumped anymore.

Carb loading starts tonight! Next week I might just do low carb instead of Keto.

You need to stick with the diet. I lose 12-14 lbs the first week...its all water. You also need to give yoru body time to adapt and start utilizing fat for fuel...then you will fill out and get good pumps in the gym as well.
Patience is a virtue!
P

[Houstonbc]

im on the keto diet too boys and it is so hard im following the palumbo 250lb diet to a t. the food is killing me 12 eggs a day...its all i can do to take those ****ers down, and i feel like shit, and im weak.
My question is what type of condiments do you guys use that are ok on this diet...i havent been using any thus far

[Praetorian]

im on the keto diet too boys and it is so hard im following the palumbo 250lb diet to a t. the food is killing me 12 eggs a day...its all i can do to take those ****ers down, and i feel like shit, and im weak.
My question is what type of condiments do you guys use that are ok on this diet...i havent been using any thus far

Whats your bodyweight and approx BF%? Can you post the diet Ill make some suggestions for you...I work with Dave P.
P

[kloan]

im on the keto diet too boys and it is so hard im following the palumbo 250lb diet to a t. the food is killing me 12 eggs a day...its all i can do to take those ****ers down, and i feel like shit, and im weak.
My question is what type of condiments do you guys use that are ok on this diet...i havent been using any thus far
hot sauce, mayo, mustard, caesar dressing

im not eating that many eggs and im already sick of em as well...

[tex]

my god i hate eggs after doing the palumbo diet......towards the end i as having to just swallow them with a big drink of water

[gsxr750]

Pour egg whites into a glass tray and bake them and then slice them up with a pizza cutter into strips... seems like pasta noodles lol

[Houstonbc]

wow thanks for the feedback guys i am 6' 240lbs b/f approx 18%

1) 6 omega 3 eggs
2) 8 oz chicken/lean fish + 1/2 cup almonds
3) 50G whey + 2 tbsp all natural peanut butter
4) 8oz. red meat or fatty fish (salmon) organic greens with 1 tbsp olive oil and balsamic
5) 50g whey + 2 tbsp all natural peanut butter
6) 6 omega 3 eggs


everything is all good but the eggs im almost ready to puke them up and im only 5 days in thank god for 1 cheat meal a week im going to devour a lg pizza tonight lol.

[Houstonbc]

sorry to jack your thread zeone no disrespect

[Houstonbc]

bump for praetorian...help lol

[nisser]

lots of good info here so I am bumping it because I think I'll give this a whirl as soon as I'm done eating all the yoghurt cups and the cottage cheese from my fridge :P

Thinking I'll just start with the palumbo meal set up. What have you guys used as substitutes for the chicken? I'm thinking of pork chops cuz they're super easy to make, superstore burgers (says 1g carbs per burger), maybe shrimp.

I love mindless diets where I don't have to think much and do lots of cooking.

[Houstonbc]

hey bro i pretty much took the 250lb meal plan off the net and stuck to it for 8wks (then xmas came and i had to indulge) it works real good.
What i've found out though is that as long as you're getting the same nutrients as whatever (chicken meal for example) its fine the diet isnt static you can switch the meal plan up as you like.

[nisser]

****, my ON whey seems to have carbs in it. What's everyone else using?

What about fiber? Regular metamucil?

And I guess green salad is lettuce only? I hear brocolli is a nono.

[Houstonbc]

mixed greens from the grocery store is what i use, metamucil works i used fibre1 cause it was tasteless to throw in your shakes.
if the carbs are minimal i wouldnt worry about it

[gsxr750]

I'm using PVL Whey Gold from Physique ( was on sale at his store Fitness ETC )
That or Optimum Nutrition Whey Maxx.. the isolates only have 1-2g of carbs per serving..

I add some sort of healthy fat to all my whey/water isolate shakes, every time except post workout

Metamucil orange flavored ( sugar free ) is not that bad to swallow..

[trykillthis]

You can use broccoli just no tomatoes or carrots.

My protein powder had 2-3 grams carbs per scoop and it was no problem.

[InsulinShock]

I am glad to report that I dropped 3% BF since last Monday. Energy levels are going back up to normal, although I did loose some strength.

3% BF loss in a week? Am I reading that correctly?

Also, is there a reason why you are attempting to reach deep ketosis?

One last thing, you mentioned using insulin to reach ketosis faster. Please tell me you are not new to insulin...

[InsulinShock]

BTW, for all of you that are looking for a good fibre supplement. The best I use is a personal concoction of 50/50 flax meal/psyllium husk.

[nisser]

okeyz starting tomorrow

Any suggestions? I'm gonna alternate the salmon (which really isn't fatty at all wtf but these fillets were really cheap) with steak and maybe the chiken with tuna/shrimp.

how the **** do I figure out the carbs in lettuce? My carbs are <30g even with the almonds so I think i shoudl be ok but still.

[Houstonbc]

i dont understand the chart?

[nisser]

lol damn, well the stuff highlighted in gray is the total of an item I'm eating in a day. So like

5x
5x

for eggs means i'm eating 2 meals of 5 eggs each.

[Houstonbc]

oh ok pretty much the 200lb'er diet to a tee then

[nisser]

had my eggs an hour ago.

I'm hungry =(

[gsxr750]

You will be feeling like dogshit for probably a week, then you'll be smooth sailin.

[RagingRandy]

I started Keto this Sunday. It looks like I am getting too much protein and not enough fat. My ketostick only registered a trace amount. I was dying on the treadmill yesterday. I am starting to feel better today.

[trykillthis]

Palumbo hates those keto sticks. Most are fairly inaccurate and I don't believe that his diet puts you in a real deep ketosis anyways.

[Seth]

Is there any other way to check you ketosis level other than ketostix?

[natenator]

this diet is REAL fun with GH added in lol

talk about going hypo on a fairly regular basis!

[nisser]

Is there any other way to check you ketosis level other than ketostix?

nothing that you can do at home as far as I know. I have the strips but I'm not going to rely on them. Just gonna stick to the diet and things should work out. I can't back out of going to lunch tomorrow at work so i'm gonna be real bitchy at the restaurant with my order lol

My first day is almost done...wasn't too bad

[Drummer]

got bad breath?

[nisser]

ok no more 5 eggs per meal...i switched it to 4 eggs + tbsp of parmesan ...its not bad now lol

[nisser]

i dunno about bad breath, I'm hoping it wont' be a problem. i think the preferred exit is through the urine and since I (and everyone else that excercises) drinks a shitton of water, it should all be peed out...

The people with bad breath are prolly the average joes who don't drink water at all. Seriously, I never see anyone at work drink anything unless they've just eaten lunch and even then they have like half a glass wtf

any of you guys had breath problems even with large water intake?

[Descimus]

bad breath is gonna happen bro if you are in ketosis.. my wife had it so i guess i had it too.. :) cept it wasnt as strong because we where doing a carbs up every weekend, my mom followed a full blown ketosis diet for many week and it was crazy how bad it was.. Smell like cold steak

[nisser]

does your wife drink a shitload of water? that was my thinking..none of the people I know that don't work out drink anything...8 glasses a day for most of these people is inconceivable.

[Houstonbc]

nisser you probably wont get into a heavy ketosis off that diet, but your breath might be a little stinky just keep some gum around buddy :)

[nisser]

haha if it gets bad, I'm going to have to drop it. I work with people all day and it'd be unpleasant :fb

palumbos diet calls for a cheat day 2 weeks after but I'm thinking of doing a healthy carb up after 1 week. what do you think?

[Houstonbc]

every saturday including week 1 i had a cheat meal

[Felinecougar]

got bad breath?


People have said my breath was sweet. Truth to it?

[RagingRandy]

Caught the flu this weekend. So I am off the diet for now. I hope this passes quickly.

[420]

I just got me some ketostix on my lunch break at work. happy to say Im in Ketosis too!!

[nisser]

Ok it's been a full week. I don't mind the diet and I can stick to it pretty well but I have one concern.

After the initial water weight I've been losing anywhere from 0.5 to 1lb a day and it's making me uneasy. I've had regular bowel movements too. Is this normal?

[Houstonbc]

yeah i think its normal bro, you want to lose weight right?

[nisser]

Fat weight only please :P

[Houstonbc]

then take test n tren!

[td1111]

I just got back on the Keto diet after 3 months. First 2 days I was quite tired and spacey. Day 3, I stabilized nicely. On day 5, I even played a rigorous hour of racquetball and didn't feel low on energy until the very end. It's only been a week with 2 intense workouts, and the fat loss seems substantial already.

Last time the only cardio I did was low-intensity, and it took an eternity to get ripped. Anyone push the envelope and try doing high-intensity cardio 2-3 times a week while in keto? Muscle loss being the main concern...

[Praetorian]

Couple of things concerning the keto diet.

1. Ketostix are NOT accurate for athletes on a keto diet.
2. HIT cardio requires a faster energy source than ketones ie glucose....this can only come from one place while on a keto diet...neoglucogenesis (glucose via amino acids conversion (muscles))
3. Carbs are reequired for training...thus indirect sources and fibrous carbs (veggies) are necessary (50g daily is fine)
P

[St]

Couple of things concerning the keto diet.

1. Ketostix are NOT accurate for athletes on a keto diet.
2. HIT cardio requires a faster energy source than ketones ie glucose....this can only come from one place while on a keto diet...neoglucogenesis (glucose via amino acids conversion (muscles))
3. Carbs are reequired for training...thus indirect sources and fibrous carbs (veggies) are necessary (50g daily is fine)
P

Yep exactly fibrous carbs are the way to go,i like 40-50g per day.

[td1111]

Do you guys time those carbs a few hours prior to lifting? And then resume the full keto diet until the next workout?

Also, I'm currently trimming down for a month on just 3.3iu of GH. Is T3 or T4 worth using, or should I just wait to use these at the cutting end of my next cycle?