Tren?

[BenT]

I am considering trying tren on my next cycle, but naturally have some concerns about it. To date, I have used test (500-800mg/week), deca (200-300mg/week), winstrol, anavar. This is my experience:

Test (HG) - base for every cycle: good gains, great energy, sick pumps, horny as shit. gyno (always on aromasin), oily skin, more easily frustrated, slightly elevated BP and RHR, slightly elevated cholesterol, liver values normal. anxiety at night and sleeplessness. PROP: all starts within 2 weeks, ENANT: all starts by around 5 weeks.

Deca (UG) - added to two cycles: increased gains, acne (bad - medically supervised accutane afterwards), puffy look. Won't do this again

Winstrol - tired, very lethargic, itchy skin, stomach pain - stopped this one immediately, won't do this again.

Anavar (HG) - good experience, not much weight gain, reduce subcutaneous fat.

So, considering my reactions to the above, would tren be recommended? I'm currently 5'10" 210lb, 16% fat. Goal 225, 12% fat. concerns are, in order: 1. anxiety, 2. acne, 3. prolactin gyno. I like to keep my cycles short (8 weeks), so I prefer short ester.

[scottlove]

Personally, the emotional swings and feeling like I have a fever all day and night is enough to keep me away from tren. My wife could feel the heat coming from my body sitting beside me watching t.v. I was very uncomfortable, at all times, but that may be just me.

[IronRobi]

I think your goals are a little unrealistic for an 8 week cycle regardless of what you take. To gain 15lbs and lose 4% body fat is not going to happen in that short of a time span. If deca gave you very bad acne, you will likely be in for a world of hurt with tren. It is probably the worst out there on the acne side of things. Anxiety is not as common but the rage is. Expect to be short tempered. As for gyno, you won't know until you get into it but it's best to be prepared.

I think you have so much more to experiment with before going down the tren road. But if you do decide to, you're making the right move starting with short esters. That way if you can't handle the sides it can clear your system faster. Good luck

[IronRobi]

Personally, the emotional swings and feeling like I have a fever all day and night is enough to keep me away from tren. My wife could feel the heat coming from my body sitting beside me watching t.v. I was very uncomfortable, at all times, but that may be just me.

The heat is great when using it in the winter. Walking around at 20 below in a t-shirt and still sweating! LOL I sleep on towels when I run tren. 1 under the mattress cover just in case I soak through the other, 1 under me, and 1 over me as my blanket. The gf won't let me use real blankets anymore because I ruin them with my sweat.

[scottlove]

The heat is great when using it in the winter. Walking around at 20 below in a t-shirt and still sweating! LOL I sleep on towels when I run tren. 1 under the mattress cover just in case I soak through the other, 1 under me, and 1 over me as my blanket. The gf won't let me use real blankets anymore because I ruin them with my sweat.
I guess it isn't just me! I used to dread our sales meetings at work. There would be 10-12 reps around the table and sweat would be pouring down my face. And god forbid if I drank a coffee during the meeting!

[TT Eric]

Dang, it's a good thing I'm a natty, I'm already a furnace. Wife is sleeping with a mountain of bedspread over her, complaining she's freezing and either I have nothing or I'm covered partially with a sheet and often feel uncomfortable sometime because it's too hot for me.

Eric

[scottlove]

Dang, it's a good thing I'm a natty, I'm already a furnace. Wife is sleeping with a mountain of bedspread over her, complaining she's freezing and either I have nothing or I'm covered partially with a sheet and often feel uncomfortable sometime because it's too hot for me.

Eric
That's because you're wearing your Ward Cleaver silk pyjammies. :lick

[BenT]

I think your goals are a little unrealistic for an 8 week cycle regardless of what you take. To gain 15lbs and lose 4% body fat is not going to happen in that short of a time span. If deca gave you very bad acne, you will likely be in for a world of hurt with tren. It is probably the worst out there on the acne side of things. Anxiety is not as common but the rage is. Expect to be short tempered. As for gyno, you won't know until you get into it but it's best to be prepared.

I think you have so much more to experiment with before going down the tren road. But if you do decide to, you're making the right move starting with short esters. That way if you can't handle the sides it can clear your system faster. Good luck

To clarify, that is not my goal for one cycle - I'm on a test only cycle now, planning my next one :) so this is more like a goal for 1 year from now.

Thanks for the pointers - acetate is the way to go I guess... I can deal with daily injections. For acne - since the long cycle of accutane I've basically had no acne (maybe 3-4 zits over 3 years). It must have long term effects on the skin. I guess I won't know until I try.

[BenT]

I guess it isn't just me! I used to dread our sales meetings at work. There would be 10-12 reps around the table and sweat would be pouring down my face. And god forbid if I drank a coffee during the meeting!

Yeah this could be a problem. I'm hot all the time as it is, especially in the AM. Lots of big meetings and the only ones sweating are me and the women over 50.

[Praetorian]

Are you competing?

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[BenT]

Are you competing?

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No

[Solo59]

No
Then why bother with Tren?

I used to run about 200 mg/EW along with 750 mg Test and 600 EQ. It added a little something extra w/o all the edgy impatience or sweating like a horse. But with a good diet and those hard workouts, you really should not need it.

Solo

[Praetorian]

Exactly!

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