Gear Pictures

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Just added the gear pictures forum. Taking the lead from EF as they have one. But still there is no UG talk please. You can post up pics of a gear but don't post them up saying something like, is this stuff good?

[Mr.Freeze]

good

[gsxr750]

Nice!

[bottleneckblooz]

Just added the gear pictures forum. Taking the lead from EF as they have one. But still there is no UG talk please. You can post up pics of a gear but don't post them up saying something like, is this stuff good?

So is this only for pharm grade stuff?

[MuSuLPhReAk]

All gear allowed.

[Kronis]

glad it's back. Thanks

[Big D]

great!!! :lick

[Baconbits]

Not to sure if it's a good idea?

[ergie]

Not sure either, what you'll get is people trying to push gear.

[BolicPower]

This will lead to UG pushing. Things like this is good, have you tryed?, is this legit?, My cycle is this, and grew 30lbs.
Hopefully, members are not allowed to post. Some one that posts pic's of gear mostly are sources. You don't need that shit on boards, reps secretly bashing/praising

[ZeOne]

Hopefully, members are not allowed to post.

Bolic, can you please elaborate on this point? Who is allowed to post if members are not?

[BolicPower]

Bolic, can you please elaborate on this point? Who is allowed to post if members are not?
Well, from what i see on other boards, i find most of the people that post were sources and i think if pictures were posted with out a persons handle this way, sources will stay safe, and someone wont push things and get emails from others members asking where to get etc, (Not sure which board) MN,cjm where the admin was only aloud to post, this would avoid all the bashing that WILL happen AND praising

[*MJ]

Well, from what i see on other boards, i find most of the people that post were sources and i think if pictures were posted with out a persons handle this way, sources will stay safe, and someone wont push things and get emails from others members asking where to get etc, (Not sure which board) MN,cjm where the admin was only aloud to post, this would avoid all the bashing that WILL happen AND praising

even thought i just posted some pics in that forum, i whole heartedly agree. it would be best if an admin cleared submitted pictures.

[ZeOne]

Well, from what i see on other boards, i find most of the people that post were sources and i think if pictures were posted with out a persons handle this way, sources will stay safe, and someone wont push things and get emails from others members asking where to get etc, (Not sure which board) MN,cjm where the admin was only aloud to post, this would avoid all the bashing that WILL happen AND praising

I see. So anonymous picture posting. I am not sure that this could be done, to "anonymise" a specific section. But then if the picture are anonymous and there is no weight or reputation behind the pictures, then anyone can post anything they want including pictures of fake stock without being held accountable for it. And if they go through the admin and still hand him over pictures of fake gear and the admin isn't aware of the counterfeit, then who is accountable for the posts?

I say, leave it to the masses to post pictures and let's see what will happen. There will be of course some praising and bashing as such is the nature of most things we discuss concerning specific products or brands. I am not sure that there will be any harm done since with a self-policing system like this forum, someone will eventually come and say a positive thing about a product being bashed if they had good results with it and bring the balance towards the center. And if everyone is bashing said product than maybe the gear is really bunk and the thread will serve a purpose of warning forum members.

Now, if the pictures section is meant as a reference section only, then a policy of no product discussion could be put in place and stickied to warn members not to discuss the gear in question, but rather limit the discussion to the picture itself. Or a more drastic measure could be to lock each thread after the initial post to ensure no further discussion. But this is a logistically painstaking exercise and would somehow castrate any opposition to the picture's questioning or doubt of authenticity.

So I guess what really needs to be defined first and foremost is the purpose of such section and once this established, rules could be put in place to keep the posts under the said guidelines and assure respect of the pictures section policies.


-Z-

[pseclint]

why dont the pics get sent to an admin or mod and they post them up, that would be a lot safer

[Big D]

why dont the pics get sent to an admin or mod and they post them up, that would be a lot safer

i think thats what bolic was talking about

[Freebsd1977]

Is that gear good? HEHE

[Easterner]

why dont the pics get sent to an admin or mod and they post them up, that would be a lot safer

If it were done this way would it not (in LE's eyes) put the source and Admin in the same boat. Meaning that the Admin could possibly get in trouble for helping "promote" a lab.
And by doing it the may it is would distence the Admin from the lab and put the risk on the person posting the picture. So who ever postes a picture should be aware of the risk they are possibly taking.

[*MJ]

Live it up. imo we need pic's, but before you know it pic's will = sources

I'd personaly like to see that tony tiger lab AND test results...hahahahhaaha






tests would be great to see. especially with some labs skimping on production methods, using sub par filters, etc.

[shithead]

filters just break down after continued use.

[bottleneckblooz]

I agree that it's not a good idea. I don't understand what the point of having a rule where you can't speak of UG labs, but you are allowed to post pics of them? Doesn't this defeat the purpose of the no talk rule?? Assuming of course there still were some ug labs around.

[ZeOne]

I agree that it's not a good idea. I don't understand what the point of having a rule where you can't speak of UG labs, but you are allowed to post pics of them?

That is my point exactly. Let's define first the reason for needing/having the pictures section.

I was seeing it more used as a reference for a specific product/line of products/lab to help members stay away from counterfeits. If that is the case, then we can enforce a no lab discussion rule wherein you do not discuss the lab depicted, only the picture itself. For example "The wrong type of fonts is used on that bottle, so it might be fake or an older batch prior to 2007".

What does the pics section represent to you? where do you see it's value?

[Mr.Freeze]

just do it old school style like MN was before!

[Mr Ontario]

It will lead to nothing but arguing and trouble. Just my 2 cents

[Mr Ontario]

Not to mention ......as source himself would stupid to post his products up especially with all the bust in the past. Just looking to get busted down the road no matter how much security measure they have in place.

[*MJ]

Not to mention ......as source himself would stupid to post his products up especially with all the bust in the past. Just looking to get busted down the road no matter how much security measure they have in place.

excellent point. it certainly could be 'suicidal'.

[shithead]

That is my point exactly. Let's define first the reason for needing/having the pictures section.

I was seeing it more used as a reference for a specific product/line of products/lab to help members stay away from counterfeits. If that is the case, then we can enforce a no lab discussion rule wherein you do not discuss the lab depicted, only the picture itself. For example "The wrong type of fonts is used on that bottle, so it might be fake or an older batch prior to 2007".

What does the pics section represent to you? where do you see it's value?

I agree with this idea.

[ergie]

excellent point. it certainly could be 'suicidal'.

lol

[TheBigStink]

lol

fergie gave me an abcess, and many of my friends too! he is dirt cheap for a reason. haha. i concur, pics are a bad idea unless it is a locked forum with mods posting the pics.

[Mr Ontario]

Fergie gave me an abcess too as he is a huge pain the ass. ;)


fergie gave me an abcess, and many of my friends too! he is dirt cheap for a reason. haha. i concur, pics are a bad idea unless it is a locked forum with mods posting the pics.

[Mr.Freeze]

fergie gave me an abcess, and many of my friends too! he is dirt cheap for a reason. haha. i concur, pics are a bad idea unless it is a locked forum with mods posting the pics.

Mods?? were lol

[Canadian Bodybuilding]

Probably the best way is to post a pic and all can view but no one can reply to the thread. Can the software do that?

[TheBigStink]

Mods?? were lol

that's what i mean.

[BolicPower]

This is exactly what most thought would happen,

[ZeOne]

Well, right now there is no specific rules concerning the Pictures section. It is only natural for people to post their opinions about products/labs they have tried in the past whether the results were favorable or not. Of course, mixed with these opinions you will find also fake testimonies (be it positive or negative) and fake bashing and praising.

So in order to avoid this situation, if we say that the pictures section is only a reference and NOT a product/lab review section, then we should make it clear via a sticky that NO comments about the lab in question or it's products are allowed. You are only allowed to discuss the picture itself and question it's authenticity ("bro these might be fakes, the fonts are all messed up"). You are also allowed to post pictures of products about which authenticity you're uncertain in hope that someone could help you assess the validity of the product you have, hopefully before you start using it.

Any offender to these simple rules will get a warning and a ban after 2 warnings.

[Kronis]

Well, right now there is no specific rules concerning the Pictures section. It is only natural for people to post their opinions about products/labs they have tried in the past whether the results were favorable or not. Of course, mixed with these opinions you will find also fake testimonies (be it positive or negative) and fake bashing and praising.

So in order to avoid this situation, if we say that the pictures section is only a reference and NOT a product/lab review section, then we should make it clear via a sticky that NO comments about the lab in question or it's products are allowed. You are only allowed to discuss the picture itself and question it's authenticity ("bro these might be fakes, the fonts are all messed up"). You are also allowed to post pictures of products about which authenticity you're uncertain in hope that someone could help you assess the validity of the product you have, hopefully before you start using it.

Any offender to these simple rules will get a warning and a ban after 2 warnings.

That's the system I think would work best. Pics allowed, lab discussion not allowed.

[MuSuLPhReAk]

I'll decide in a few days how to modify the forum. I'm reading all your comments and will try to do it so everyone is ok with it. Keep the comments coming.

[St]

Ya the pic section should be like MN,just pics only and then lock the thread.

[phatkid77]

im 50/50.... while i want pics, my concern would be, if the law was unaware of such a lab, now there is pics....gives them something to hunt????

phats

[Baconbits]

im 50/50.... while i want pics, my concern would be, if the law was unaware of such a lab, now there is pics....gives them something to hunt????

phats


I agree! Too much info can be picked up by L.E. especially if domestic pics are posted. Pics of gear can be found on many other boards, this is a good board, lets leave it at that!

[The Terminator]

I agree as well. I'd rather keep things in the dark, and let people search for the pics themselves.

Matt

[ergie]

To Freeze, Thebigstink and Mr O, you guys loved every moment ;)

[ZeOne]

im 50/50.... while i want pics, my concern would be, if the law was unaware of such a lab, now there is pics....gives them something to hunt????

phats

IMO, people tend to underestimate the intelligence of investigators. I am not sure that they need the pictures in order to know about the labs. Somehow I got the feeling that they are 2 steps ahead of us and that they probably are visiting the more "opened" boards for information gathering.

Honestly, I would have liked for the pictures section and for the forum in general to allow discussion of labs and their products, and to be back to the good old times before the massive UGL busts. I remember back in the days, labs would not be shy to put reps on boards and clearly display them, responding to questions, heck even organizing contests for prizes and give-aways. It was the UG AAS golden era.

But alas, these times are now irreparably gone..at least for the foreseeable future. Labs have pulled off posts, blanked out names and took drastic measures to protect themselves, and understandably so. Whenever you bring out the UGL topic now, it feels like you're walking on egg shells and frankly, it sucks...nobody likes it but most people understand what's at stake and understand that excess of visibility leads to excess of vulnerability.

That said, I can't help but notice that different people are expecting different goals and purposes from the pictures section. The proof is that, as predicted by most, it didn't take long for bashing and praising to appear on the first ever post in that said section. On one side, this could serve as a warning for potential defects of a particular lab/product/batch, on the other side, it allows unwarranted bashing of a given lab/product. But this is the nature of the beast. As I said before and as demonstrated in the first pictures thread, equilibrium will eventually be reached when one negative criticism begets positive ones, and vice-versa. If one is smart enough, of course, one can discard bashing and praising coming from members with a minimal amount of posts or members with questionable reputation. As far as endangering labs, I highly doubt that "this lab gave me and my bros an abscess in the ass" will drive any law investigator any closer to the depicted lab.

So if MP needs to make a decision that will satisfy most forum members, he needs to get a clearer message of our expectations from the pictures section.

I will start a poll and see where this leads us in hope to make the opinions clearer and back it up with votes.



-Z-

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Poll sounds good. I'm all for giving the members what they want while keeping everyone safe.

[fathead]

personally i really dont get this whole thing...

if lab talk is not allowed there is NO reason to have a random pic of something. And i really havent heard of domestic UG labs being counterfeited but i guess i could be wrong, so there isnt much point in discussing "fake gear" if its domestic ug's.

As far as being able to gather info on these labs, im all for that, as long as its safe, but pictures arent going to aid in that process really. who cares what it looks like. if lab talk is allowed in general we will know whats good and whats not, we dont need a picture snapped on a desk of some vial to further that discussion.

The only pictures i would think would be helpful would be pics detailing the differences between real and fake HG gear (sustanon amps etc).

All it takes is some goof who doesnt know what he is doing to say "xyz lab sucks... i used it and nothing!" when his comments are worthless. its too hard to tell whos who. there are a lot of high post counts on boards like these who still have no idea how to train/eat/cycle who will be chiming in on this lab or that lab when really their opinion is worthless

[Mr.Freeze]

Poll sounds good. I'm all for giving the members what they want while keeping everyone safe.

Poll would be the best i think, no lab bashing, you could see what it looks like and you can make your self the decision if its good or not with out people putting stuff in your head.

[Mr.Freeze]

personally i really dont get this whole thing...

if lab talk is not allowed there is NO reason to have a random pic of something. And i really havent heard of domestic UG labs being counterfeited but i guess i could be wrong, so there isnt much point in discussing "fake gear" if its domestic ug's.

As far as being able to gather info on these labs, im all for that, as long as its safe, but pictures arent going to aid in that process really. who cares what it looks like. if lab talk is allowed in general we will know whats good and whats not, we dont need a picture snapped on a desk of some vial to further that discussion.

The only pictures i would think would be helpful would be pics detailing the differences between real and fake HG gear (sustanon amps etc).

All it takes is some goof who doesnt know what he is doing to say "xyz lab sucks... i used it and nothing!" when his comments are worthless. its too hard to tell whos who. there are a lot of high post counts on boards like these who still have no idea how to train/eat/cycle who will be chiming in on this lab or that lab when really their opinion is worthless

"domestic UG labs being counterfeited" yes it does trust me on this one!

[ZeOne]

Poll would be the best i think, no lab bashing, you could see what it looks like and you can make your self the decision if its good or not with out people putting stuff in your head.

Mr.Freeze, Unless I am mistaken, you are proposing a poll for the lab itself like a Good/Bad poll?

I think there was a mis-understanding. The poll we meant is a poll to see what people want from the pictures section, and the thread is already started and votes are coming in.

[Mr.Freeze]

Yup that what i mean a poll for every pics we put up!

[ManInTheBox]

My vote falls into ZeOne's camp as he eloquently expressed an array of opinions I have in the matter.

I for one, fail to see any imperceptable bit of applied logic with respect to remaining "hush-hush" over the issues of lab discussion/pictures on this forums.

However, I respect the rules as well and obey them. It is, however, with the utmost respect to CBB that I merely offer my opinion.

I disagree (rather vehemently) with the notion that eliminating UG Lab discussion sustaines viability to a lab. As Zeone said, investigators are often underestimated with respect towards their cranial capacity. I seriously doubt if investigators require combing internet forums to discover Lab names, when the name is discovered if an arrest has been made. There are also easier ways to make arrrests on steroid trafficking: just scope out a local gym, I guarantee you'll find a surprising number of users and even a few whom deal. It's those dealers that get dealt with and some can identify the suppliers.

I comprehend the nature of causality that some believe in; namely, that a lab name is an extra tool for law enforcement to bust the suppliers.

However I find this preposterous in practical value.

Simply, all of the paranoia surrounding the issue of so-called "lab protection" is based on a falsely perceived notion of a Canadian WAR ON STEROIDS!!!

Duh-Dah Dun!

I Hate to relay this lovely piece of information to the masses; however, it must be said that government officials, quite frankly (and with appreciation :) ), do not really put much stock on pursuing the issue of steroids. Certainly there will be bashing from politicians if the issue is ever brought up and Police Chiefs everywhere (I'm looking at you Blair) will caution the public and Save The Children(TM), however steroids are not actively investigated.

Allow me to begin ,theoretically, on the issue of practicality. Steroids belong to a classification of drugs that do not have simple posession among it's list of charges. I will not explain it here, it has been mentioned in the sticky. This makes the most common charge regarding Schedule IV drugs to be Trafficking. Now suppose how it is, that one goes about investigating traffickers when you cannot arrest the usually (Schedules I,-III) lowest man in the food chain: the consumer. Police may try the "obstruction of justice" routine - which may present a viable option to pressure a user into giving up a supplier, however such a charge is rather futile when faced with a rather simple counter such as "I bought it from a stranger."

Arresting is one thing, prosecuting is a grand other. Trust me, if you've ever visited a higher court (ie. Ontario Superior Court of Justice) you would bear witness to the possibility of anything in the courtroom. Sure, you may very well be able to take a non-talker to court for ObstJ, and maybe even try to perjur them, but .........hold on a minute.

Anyone else notice the giant legal cluster**** that the above creates?

Does anyone faithfully believe that authorities want to run around charging simple users with obstruct justice and perjury, thereby inflating our prisons to big fat bloated masses of depravity? All for what, because he was "difficult" to deal with when pressured to identify a source?

Now, I shall sidestep into application. The only time that steroid lab "busts" of significant magnitude have occured is when they are connected with other serious drugs (ie. cocaine, heroin, ecstasy,marijuana - my personal fave but, I digress). Hell, I believe a few of them revolved around child pornography as well.

I am aware of scant case law regarding steroids. Traffickers here, producers there yet nothing is major or earth shattering like what is occurring in the U.S. In my personal observation, the only time labs attracted vexation is when they decided to gravitate towards more lucrative and expansive policies.

Bluntly, they asked for it.

However, my entire post has started to branch off from the point that was previously focal : Lab discussion. The bottom line is that it is asinine to assume that by forbidding discussion protects labs. They most certainly do not. Authorities already know their name, they won't really sniff around a forum that conducts proper activity.

Discussion about steroids and different "brands" of steroids is perfectly legal - this is a charter right under freedom of speech. Promoting the sources , obviously, is not (actually, this is debatable yet a whole other story) Therefore, a forum that does not promote sources is rather safe from LE.

Of course the above depends on forum conduct. Sources would most certainly flock to this sight, and yes, this would likely require increased moderation by forum officials.

And yeah, more mods = more drama. ;)

However to quote a rather overused and cliched saying, nevertheless appropriate, : One bad apple doesn't spoil the whole bunch

This forum prides itself (and rightfully so) on a certain level of maturity, integrity, respect and intelligence. Im sure the community would remain stalwart in it's integrity.

Lab dicussion also allows for a safer and effective community. Bunk gear revelations protects end users from potentially harmful results. People can express personal experience and allow a user to create an informed decision with what exactly it is that he/she is placing into their body.

Granted, much of this info may be gleaned by the almighty google, yet pointing the finger the other way at members of this community only serves to create a division.

Now, please do not perceive the wrong idea. I do not want to see cbb.com de-evolve into a rabble of roidz brandz discussion; I just want to voice my opinion that it should not be such a taboo topic.

To end, I would like to say, I'm sure that as a group of mature people we are more than capable discussing mature topics.

[guest]

My vote falls into ZeOne's camp as he eloquently expressed an array of opinions I have in the matter.

I for one, fail to see any imperceptable bit of applied logic with respect to remaining "hush-hush" over the issues of lab discussion/pictures on this forums.

However, I respect the rules as well and obey them. It is, however, with the utmost respect to CBB that I merely offer my opinion.

I disagree (rather vehemently) with the notion that eliminating UG Lab discussion sustaines viability to a lab. As Zeone said, investigators are often underestimated with respect towards their cranial capacity. I seriously doubt if investigators require combing internet forums to discover Lab names, when the name is discovered if an arrest has been made. There are also easier ways to make arrrests on steroid trafficking: just scope out a local gym, I guarantee you'll find a surprising number of users and even a few whom deal. It's those dealers that get dealt with and some can identify the suppliers.

I comprehend the nature of causality that some believe in; namely, that a lab name is an extra tool for law enforcement to bust the suppliers.

However I find this preposterous in practical value.

Simply, all of the paranoia surrounding the issue of so-called "lab protection" is based on a falsely perceived notion of a Canadian WAR ON STEROIDS!!!

Duh-Dah Dun!

I Hate to relay this lovely piece of information to the masses; however, it must be said that government officials, quite frankly (and with appreciation :) ), do not really put much stock on pursuing the issue of steroids. Certainly there will be bashing from politicians if the issue is ever brought up and Police Chiefs everywhere (I'm looking at you Blair) will caution the public and Save The Children(TM), however steroids are not actively investigated.

Allow me to begin ,theoretically, on the issue of practicality. Steroids belong to a classification of drugs that do not have simple posession among it's list of charges. I will not explain it here, it has been mentioned in the sticky. This makes the most common charge regarding Schedule IV drugs to be Trafficking. Now suppose how it is, that one goes about investigating traffickers when you cannot arrest the usually (Schedules I,-III) lowest man in the food chain: the consumer. Police may try the "obstruction of justice" routine - which may present a viable option to pressure a user into giving up a supplier, however such a charge is rather futile when faced with a rather simple counter such as "I bought it from a stranger."

Arresting is one thing, prosecuting is a grand other. Trust me, if you've ever visited a higher court (ie. Ontario Superior Court of Justice) you would bear witness to the possibility of anything in the courtroom. Sure, you may very well be able to take a non-talker to court for ObstJ, and maybe even try to perjur them, but .........hold on a minute.

Anyone else notice the giant legal cluster**** that the above creates?

Does anyone faithfully believe that authorities want to run around charging simple users with obstruct justice and perjury, thereby inflating our prisons to big fat bloated masses of depravity? All for what, because he was "difficult" to deal with when pressured to identify a source?

Now, I shall sidestep into application. The only time that steroid lab "busts" of significant magnitude have occured is when they are connected with other serious drugs (ie. cocaine, heroin, ecstasy,marijuana - my personal fave but, I digress). Hell, I believe a few of them revolved around child pornography as well.

I am aware of scant case law regarding steroids. Traffickers here, producers there yet nothing is major or earth shattering like what is occurring in the U.S. In my personal observation, the only time labs attracted vexation is when they decided to gravitate towards more lucrative and expansive policies.

Bluntly, they asked for it.

However, my entire post has started to branch off from the point that was previously focal : Lab discussion. The bottom line is that it is asinine to assume that by forbidding discussion protects labs. They most certainly do not. Authorities already know their name, they won't really sniff around a forum that conducts proper activity.

Discussion about steroids and different "brands" of steroids is perfectly legal - this is a charter right under freedom of speech. Promoting the sources , obviously, is not (actually, this is debatable yet a whole other story) Therefore, a forum that does not promote sources is rather safe from LE.

Of course the above depends on forum conduct. Sources would most certainly flock to this sight, and yes, this would likely require increased moderation by forum officials.

And yeah, more mods = more drama. ;)

However to quote a rather overused and cliched saying, nevertheless appropriate, : One bad apple doesn't spoil the whole bunch

This forum prides itself (and rightfully so) on a certain level of maturity, integrity, respect and intelligence. Im sure the community would remain stalwart in it's integrity.

Lab dicussion also allows for a safer and effective community. Bunk gear revelations protects end users from potentially harmful results. People can express personal experience and allow a user to create an informed decision with what exactly it is that he/she is placing into their body.

Granted, much of this info may be gleaned by the almighty google, yet pointing the finger the other way at members of this community only serves to create a division.

Now, please do not perceive the wrong idea. I do not want to see cbb.com de-evolve into a rabble of roidz brandz discussion; I just want to voice my opinion that it should not be such a taboo topic.

To end, I would like to say, I'm sure that as a group of mature people we are more than capable discussing mature topics.


im almost as impressed as you are.

jokes aside, your ornate vernacular roused my temporal lobe:D. a nice change of pace. thank you.

[leeroy]

Great post. I am on the fence with it. Part of me thinks yes and the other part no. I guess it depends if I am on or off cycle :D

[gustavo77]

My vote falls into ZeOne's camp as he eloquently expressed an array of opinions I have in the matter.

I for one, fail to see any imperceptable bit of applied logic with respect to remaining "hush-hush" over the issues of lab discussion/pictures on this forums.

However, I respect the rules as well and obey them. It is, however, with the utmost respect to CBB that I merely offer my opinion.

I disagree (rather vehemently) with the notion that eliminating UG Lab discussion sustaines viability to a lab. As Zeone said, investigators are often underestimated with respect towards their cranial capacity. I seriously doubt if investigators require combing internet forums to discover Lab names, when the name is discovered if an arrest has been made. There are also easier ways to make arrrests on steroid trafficking: just scope out a local gym, I guarantee you'll find a surprising number of users and even a few whom deal. It's those dealers that get dealt with and some can identify the suppliers.

I comprehend the nature of causality that some believe in; namely, that a lab name is an extra tool for law enforcement to bust the suppliers.

However I find this preposterous in practical value.

Simply, all of the paranoia surrounding the issue of so-called "lab protection" is based on a falsely perceived notion of a Canadian WAR ON STEROIDS!!!

Duh-Dah Dun!

I Hate to relay this lovely piece of information to the masses; however, it must be said that government officials, quite frankly (and with appreciation :) ), do not really put much stock on pursuing the issue of steroids. Certainly there will be bashing from politicians if the issue is ever brought up and Police Chiefs everywhere (I'm looking at you Blair) will caution the public and Save The Children(TM), however steroids are not actively investigated.

Allow me to begin ,theoretically, on the issue of practicality. Steroids belong to a classification of drugs that do not have simple posession among it's list of charges. I will not explain it here, it has been mentioned in the sticky. This makes the most common charge regarding Schedule IV drugs to be Trafficking. Now suppose how it is, that one goes about investigating traffickers when you cannot arrest the usually (Schedules I,-III) lowest man in the food chain: the consumer. Police may try the "obstruction of justice" routine - which may present a viable option to pressure a user into giving up a supplier, however such a charge is rather futile when faced with a rather simple counter such as "I bought it from a stranger."

Arresting is one thing, prosecuting is a grand other. Trust me, if you've ever visited a higher court (ie. Ontario Superior Court of Justice) you would bear witness to the possibility of anything in the courtroom. Sure, you may very well be able to take a non-talker to court for ObstJ, and maybe even try to perjur them, but .........hold on a minute.

Anyone else notice the giant legal cluster**** that the above creates?

Does anyone faithfully believe that authorities want to run around charging simple users with obstruct justice and perjury, thereby inflating our prisons to big fat bloated masses of depravity? All for what, because he was "difficult" to deal with when pressured to identify a source?

Now, I shall sidestep into application. The only time that steroid lab "busts" of significant magnitude have occured is when they are connected with other serious drugs (ie. cocaine, heroin, ecstasy,marijuana - my personal fave but, I digress). Hell, I believe a few of them revolved around child pornography as well.

I am aware of scant case law regarding steroids. Traffickers here, producers there yet nothing is major or earth shattering like what is occurring in the U.S. In my personal observation, the only time labs attracted vexation is when they decided to gravitate towards more lucrative and expansive policies.

Bluntly, they asked for it.

However, my entire post has started to branch off from the point that was previously focal : Lab discussion. The bottom line is that it is asinine to assume that by forbidding discussion protects labs. They most certainly do not. Authorities already know their name, they won't really sniff around a forum that conducts proper activity.

Discussion about steroids and different "brands" of steroids is perfectly legal - this is a charter right under freedom of speech. Promoting the sources , obviously, is not (actually, this is debatable yet a whole other story) Therefore, a forum that does not promote sources is rather safe from LE.

Of course the above depends on forum conduct. Sources would most certainly flock to this sight, and yes, this would likely require increased moderation by forum officials.

And yeah, more mods = more drama. ;)

However to quote a rather overused and cliched saying, nevertheless appropriate, : One bad apple doesn't spoil the whole bunch

This forum prides itself (and rightfully so) on a certain level of maturity, integrity, respect and intelligence. Im sure the community would remain stalwart in it's integrity.

Lab dicussion also allows for a safer and effective community. Bunk gear revelations protects end users from potentially harmful results. People can express personal experience and allow a user to create an informed decision with what exactly it is that he/she is placing into their body.

Granted, much of this info may be gleaned by the almighty google, yet pointing the finger the other way at members of this community only serves to create a division.

Now, please do not perceive the wrong idea. I do not want to see cbb.com de-evolve into a rabble of roidz brandz discussion; I just want to voice my opinion that it should not be such a taboo topic.

To end, I would like to say, I'm sure that as a group of mature people we are more than capable discussing mature topics.


Definitely a different perspective and some very valid points, thank you for taking the time to share that bro. The real problem though is the lack of maturity expressed in these threads. If you are wondering at all what i am referring to, check out the xxx labs threads that were recently posted.

[Big D]

Definitely a different perspective and some very valid points, thank you for taking the time to share that bro. The real problem though is the lack of maturity expressed in these threads. If you are wondering at all what i am referring to, check out the xxx labs threads that were recently posted.


ya i totaly agree gust, I thought it would be nice to see some pics but after that thread, it shows a big lack of maturity. I've seen pic sections on other boards and it worked with good results. but it seems like a it wont work here.

[leeroy]

The boys got all excited. Maybe if given enough time, it can work.

[gustavo77]

ya i totaly agree gust, I thought it would be nice to see some pics but after that thread, it shows a big lack of maturity. I've seen pic sections on other boards and it worked with good results. but it seems like a it wont work here.

Too many with vested interests...

[ManInTheBox]

I've sifted through those threads, Gus, and in all honesty I fail to see a major problem created by them. Most of the posts seemed well. Then Applesauce came in with a flame and things started to go downhill from there.

Of course, it doesn't help the fact that long-term members of this board only fanned the flame by feeding the troll.

There is so much paranoia on the online AAS community surrounding lab
posts. If someone posts a bad "review" on a lab, they are branded as alternative lab pushers. If a good review is given, the poster is in turn branded as a pusher of said lab. Nobody bothers to give the poster the benefit of the doubt, which is sad.

Christ everyone is sooo ****ing worried that cbb will go to shit surrounding this issue. We'll be fine.

I understand the source of the delusion however. Many sites have gone to shit surrounding lab/steroid discussion. Then you look at the size of these monsters: Outlawmuscle, Elitefitness, isteroids, Promuscle etc. and you can see why. It's like crime in a big city: bigger city = more opportunity for crime.

Then again, the above sites ****ed themselves over with crooked mods and forum "sponsors". This is what truly created rifts and problems in the aforementioned sites. Once free gear is offered to the big boys, the peons of the community become prey to shady sources.

Sources will likely make their way here is the path is opened. Then again, they already are here lurking in the shadows. I've been contacted before and I recall that others were as well, before cbb brought the banhammer down. Of course, if you are foolish enough to take the bait you kind of deserve what is coming to you.

Worrying about sources shouldn't be an issue - even if a source is blatant, people ought to have the good sense to refrain from wasting their money on a scam.

This board won't become the next SSB. Gymace got nuked because of the glorified open source posting (among other things).

As long as discussions are kept at discussions and not at sourcing, then the community will be fine. And if things do go slightly off-base, those members (whom im sure will be 1st posters) wil be swept away by the tide that follows.

This board has, and i say this without hesitation, the most mature community I have seen online. Veterans such as MP, Fergie, Gustavo, Freeze, Mr.O etc. all have valuable information and offer vindication of such a maturity level.

As I said before, mature people will continue to act maturely regardless of the topic. One bad apple doesn't spoil the whole bunch. And we have a large bunch indeed.

[guest]

Too many with vested interests...

that's an understatement.

[gsxr750]

Lol, a good laugh here. I vote to just get rid of all this stuff. Things were way better around here 4 days ago.

[Canadian Bodybuilding]

Keep the forum. Kill the comments.

[bottleneckblooz]

I vote for everyone to just go natural......Who's with me??












































What? No one?

[MuSuLPhReAk]

I'm leaning towards keeping it with conditions. I myself will not post up pics. I am not in contact with UG labs and don't have any gear to take pics myself. But my thoughts were if one posts up a pic in there, they have to have at least (let's say 250 posts) so newbies don't just sign up to post a pic in there to source. Then there will be no means to reply to the pic thread as that will avoid the shit storm that just happened.

But freedom of speech is a basic human right. BUUUUUUUUT, I want you to understand that there are laws to also incriminate those that promote, encourage the trafficking of drugs. I am totally against doing anything illegal here as it's my head on the line if something goes down. If anyone puts me in any danger by sourcing on the site by pming members, threats etc and LE gets involved, rest assured, they will get my full compliance. So don't do or post anything that you are not comfortable setting in stone. You can't be arrested by saying you have been on 1g of test a week for 20 years or saying you smoked a joint. But if you say you are the biggest source on the net and LE happens to fall on that post/pm/thread, just maybe you gave them a reason to seek you out.

You are all adults here, conduct yourselves as such. I am and will remain the only mod/admin here for a while to come until the site gets way to big for me to manage alone. No politics here, no drama. If there is dangerous or crap stuff out there, I encourage you to get in contact with the vets out there and let them know. Word will get back to me eventually. But I am not the steroid police and do not wish to get involved with squabbles between labs/clients. Scammers are the scum of the earth and if one has been scammed, please contact me before posting it up to make sure I feel comfortable with that info on the board. Anyone threatens me for whatever reason and I will hand your info and everything I know about you to LE. I take that stuff VERY seriously. My site is not for steroid dealers but for bodybuilding information, education and discussions. Thus the name canadabodybuilding and not canadasteroids. Regardless of what your ambitions are, I am law here. I paid a lot of money for CBB and I will make sure it will be running years from now.

Thank you.

[gsxr750]

Thank you for the heads up.

[Big D]

sounds good to me

[RagingRandy]

Sounds reasonable. If you want to be involved you can choose to be. I like choice. Respect all-round seems to be the cornerstone here. Keep up the good work.

[Easterner]

Sounds like a good idea MP.
In regardes to what Maninthebox said about people potentially flocking here with somthing like this, why not consider an invite only policy here. No more open registration but insted you have to be reffered by existing members. Or would that just make to much work for you approving members?

Somthing im a bit confused on is what you said about freedom of speech, do you mean ug discusion is ok now but just becareful of what you say / how you say things? or possible a poll set up for each picture so people can add their opinions with no dramma following?

[leeroy]

BTW, who said the steroid pic forum should be just for UG labs. There are tons of human grade pics out there we can post up :)

[guest]

Execellent post MP

agreed.

[Mr.Freeze]

yup 100% right

[ergie]

^^ 100% fag