2013 ifbb olympia results

[fitbody]

OLYMPIA RESULTS 2013

big congrats to 9 x Ms.Olympia Iris Kyle
who not only brought the record for 9 Ms.O wins
but now has more wins than any Olympian ever in History
INCREDIBLE ATHLETE
see her pic attached

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Mr.Olympia results

1st Phil Heath
2nd Kai Greene
3rd Dennis Wolf
4th Shawn Rhoden
5th Dexter Jackson
6th Jay Cutler
7th Roelly Winklaar
8th Mamdouh Elssbiay "Big Ramy"
9th Branch Warren
10th Lionel Beyeke
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212 Mr.O results
1. James Flex Lewis
2. David Henry
3. Kevin English
4. Jose Raymond
5. Eduardo Correa
6. Sami Al Haddad
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MENS OLYMPIA PHYSIQUE!!!
5TH PLACE - Jason Poston
4TH PLACE - Sadik Hadzovik
3RD PLACE - Matthew Acton
2ND PLACE - Jeremy Buendia
1ST PLACE - Mark Anthony MR.PHYSIQUE OLYMPIA
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BODYBUILDING MS.OLYMPIA
6th Juanita Blano
5th Brigita Brezovac
4th Yaxeni Oriquen-Garcia
3th Debi Laszewski
2nd ALINA POPA
1st Iris Kyle MS. OLYMPIA NOW 9 X OLYMPIA CHAMPION...
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Ms.Figure Olympia results
2013 FIGURE OLYMPIA
Top 6 results

1. Nicole Wilkins
2. Erin Stern
3. Candice Keene IFBB Figure Pro
4. Heather Dees IFBB Figure Pro
5. Mallory Haldeman Ifbb Pro
6. IFBB Pro Ann Titone
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BIKINI OLYMPIA RESULTS
6th Amanda Latona
5th India Paulino
4th Nathalia Melo
3rd Stacey Alexander
2nd Yeshaira Robles
1st Ashley Kaltwasser MS.BIKINI OLYMPIA
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OLYMPIA WOMENS PHYSIQUE AWARDS
5TH PLACE - Patricia MELO
4TH Place - Toni WEST
3RD - Sara Hurrle
2ND Place - Tycie Coppett
1ST Place - Dana Lynn Bailey MS. PHYSIQUE OLYMPIA
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FITNESS OLYMPIA RESULTS
6th Trish Warren
5th Bethany Cisternio
4th Myrian Capes
3rd Tanji Johnson
2nd Oksana Grishina
1st Adela Garcia MS.OLYMPIA CHAMPION

[cog]

Heath looks good except for abs.

[scottlove]

Heath looks good except for abs.
Yea, the bottom 4 seemed to have disappeared. I wonder if they looked like that at the prejudge or if he just went nuts at the carb-up before the night show.

[cog]

Hard to say Scott.Would like to hear some more opinions about this.

[scottlove]

I looked back at the prejudging and the lowers did look a little soft. The commentators mentioned it, too.

[cog]

Google Phil Heath images,they have 2011 vs 2012 same pose beside each other,you can see the diff.Looks like he got lazy with the Ab work.But then again,they all contract equally don't they?:)

[blp]

Google Phil Heath images,they have 2011 vs 2012 same pose beside each other,you can see the diff.Looks like he got lazy with the Ab work.But then again,they all contract equally don't they?:)

it slin use over years ,,

[blp]

mark a look off in physique i prefer sadik

kevin e was awful , branch top 10 look like a troll goblin to me , jay was hit n miss n was given ,, beyeke n ramy deserve better placing

i tend to think flex lewis better then heath

i believe in science but 26 inch waist n 24 inch arms seem like a pmaa of piana arms but prettier

i hate th bikini overall new criteria ,, anorexic ,, melo is a goddess ,, since when we see olympian physique in any after hours ?? ,, john romano went berserk over this

malacarme 7 th ,, dana first ,, cmon ,, really ????

wilkins in figure rule ,,

irys kyle to my eyes is tired n prove sadly herself that since her era w bbing dying ,,

everyone want to look like paulina ,, not irys ,, sound harsh i know ,, but for marketing promotion ,, irys a bad choice

i rarely wrote negative comments ,, but my god ,, have you seen th media language skill of communication at press conference ,,

after watching this ,, you know why roelly n wolf are misjudged ,,, you sure dont want those guys on national tv,, and shawn rhoden with a dmx gheto hiphop shy speaking mmmmm

it made clear how phil heath is smart , bright n genuine with is public image

[cog]

it slin use over years ,,


Can you explain further BLP?

[steve_d]

mark a look off in physique i prefer sadik

kevin e was awful , branch top 10 look like a troll goblin to me , jay was hit n miss n was given ,, beyeke n ramy deserve better placing

i tend to think flex lewis better then heath

i believe in science but 26 inch waist n 24 inch arms seem like a pmaa of piana arms but prettier

i hate th bikini overall new criteria ,, anorexic ,, melo is a goddess ,, since when we see olympian physique in any after hours ?? ,, john romano went berserk over this

malacarme 7 th ,, dana first ,, cmon ,, really ????

wilkins in figure rule ,,

irys kyle to my eyes is tired n prove sadly herself that since her era w bbing dying ,,

everyone want to look like paulina ,, not irys ,, sound harsh i know ,, but for marketing promotion ,, irys a bad choice

i rarely wrote negative comments ,, but my god ,, have you seen th media language skill of communication at press conference ,,

after watching this ,, you know why roelly n wolf are misjudged ,,, you sure dont want those guys on national tv,, and shawn rhoden with a dmx gheto hiphop shy speaking mmmmm

it made clear how phil heath is smart , bright n genuine with is public image

I'll agree to most of this. Although I like the look of the bikini winner. 4 divisions for women, so there should be a spectrum. Melo would be good in figure so they got it right. However Nicole Wilkins would be good in physique so they got that wrong. Although, Nicole has flawless symmetry, so its hard to beat - If she toned it down just a little, I think she would be unbeatable in figure. The look she brought to the olympia could be penalized depending on the show. I prefer the look Erin stern has, or even Candice, although Candice has symmetry issues. With 4 divisions for women, I would like bikini to be truly a bikini division. Not necessarily abs, veins, and technically not even necessarily the need to work out heavy at all. Just a young pretty girl with absolutely flawless skin, fat in the right spots that barely moves. Which is pretty much what they chose. With that in mind, you'll never have 5 time bikini champs, because in 5 years they will be too old to sustain that look. Look for the ones turning pro this year to possibly be top 3 next year in most pro shows. And same every year after that. FIgure, a step up. Girl that has flawless skin, pretty, same as bikini, but now put them in the gym deadlifting, squatting and benching. No drugs. Physique, another step up. Pretty, gym as hard as a bodybuilder, but still sexy and feminine. No drugs that make your face too manly. Bodybuilding, anything goes - but trying to look like a woman at least a little.

On the guys side of things, Flex by a mile. he looks like a trophy. Always been a fan and don't know how he has ever lost in the past - especially to guys like english... Phil won by quite a bit, but his abs are weird, and I am not sure he will continue to win year after year. A new guy will emerge. Ramy would win if he got crazy lean. But the sport becomes a 'game' so to speak. Nicole wilkins I think won not because she was better than Erin, but she was better than herself of the past. People always talk about how soft they are, and then they show up in shape and no one stops talking about them. Just look at roeelly winklar - never showed up good until now and everyone keeps talking about him now. not because he looked good, bbut because he looked better than before. So who knows, maybe Ramy is playing the same game. Show up next year looking insane and then everyone talks about him.

Men's physique, what can I say. I don't know how they judge it yet. Normally I talk about how stage presence will determine the champs the more subjective the sport. So I guess Mark had the best stage presence?? Certainly the most unique stage presence, but I dunno... I thought the 2nd, 5th, and 6th place guys were better. Sadik too big if you ask me, at least in his back.

[blp]

I'll agree to most of this. Although I like the look of the bikini winner. 4 divisions for women, so there should be a spectrum. Melo would be good in figure so they got it right. However Nicole Wilkins would be good in physique so they got that wrong. Although, Nicole has flawless symmetry, so its hard to beat - If she toned it down just a little, I think she would be unbeatable in figure. The look she brought to the olympia could be penalized depending on the show. I prefer the look Erin stern has, or even Candice, although Candice has symmetry issues. With 4 divisions for women, I would like bikini to be truly a bikini division. Not necessarily abs, veins, and technically not even necessarily the need to work out heavy at all. Just a young pretty girl with absolutely flawless skin, fat in the right spots that barely moves. Which is pretty much what they chose. With that in mind, you'll never have 5 time bikini champs, because in 5 years they will be too old to sustain that look. Look for the ones turning pro this year to possibly be top 3 next year in most pro shows. And same every year after that. FIgure, a step up. Girl that has flawless skin, pretty, same as bikini, but now put them in the gym deadlifting, squatting and benching. No drugs. Physique, another step up. Pretty, gym as hard as a bodybuilder, but still sexy and feminine. No drugs that make your face too manly. Bodybuilding, anything goes - but trying to look like a woman at least a little.

On the guys side of things, Flex by a mile. he looks like a trophy. Always been a fan and don't know how he has ever lost in the past - especially to guys like english... Phil won by quite a bit, but his abs are weird, and I am not sure he will continue to win year after year. A new guy will emerge. Ramy would win if he got crazy lean. But the sport becomes a 'game' so to speak. Nicole wilkins I think won not because she was better than Erin, but she was better than herself of the past. People always talk about how soft they are, and then they show up in shape and no one stops talking about them. Just look at roeelly winklar - never showed up good until now and everyone keeps talking about him now. not because he looked good, bbut because he looked better than before. So who knows, maybe Ramy is playing the same game. Show up next year looking insane and then everyone talks about him.

Men's physique, what can I say. I don't know how they judge it yet. Normally I talk about how stage presence will determine the champs the more subjective the sport. So I guess Mark had the best stage presence?? Certainly the most unique stage presence, but I dunno... I thought the 2nd, 5th, and 6th place guys were better. Sadik too big if you ask me, at least in his back.


Many good point here ..

If erin will had won I wil had not go against either

Is melo natural mmmm it questionable

Eva andressa a brazilian model got a bikini maybe oversize legs

I always tend for over muscular nature in all category

Asking melo do a chem regimen of a figure tho

That seem out of..
I wil bet melo wil be all over th world while th new bikini olympia wil stay without attention

Lile dex without sponsorship 14 months after be mr olympia

I dont have judge eye talent.. but lana best physique in th world.. I dont think so..

Perfect media politic feature yes..

That why amateur bber should do so..too


Of course my tend toward th extreme but stil olympia a freak show

And freak show should be in all category

[Praetorian]

Ramy should have been top 6 easy...huge politics there.

Jay was given a gift at 6th...should have been much lower.

Iris was beaten by Alina and was a poor decision for FBB...but I think the IFBB plans to kill it completely so not sure it matters

If Ramy gets freaky lean hell own the O for a few years at least.

Phil was a good choice...very professional, polished, speaks well...looks awesome...crazy genetics!

Mens physique...Mark definitely was given a gift...not sure whats happening there...

Bikini...go figure!

P

[blp]

Awesome

Lol

[steve_d]

Is melo natural mmmm it questionable

Asking melo do a chem regimen of a figure tho

That seem out of..
I wil bet melo wil be all over th world while th new bikini olympia wil stay without attention


Is she natural? Probably not, but really who cares. The way I see it is that the bikini winner should look natural. Whether or not they actually are is irrelevant. So, to me, Melo looks unatural. Perhaps she hasn't even taken creatine, but that doesn't really matter, since in my eyes, she doesn't look 'bikini'. She is definitely marketable, and like you say, she'll travel the world and have more fans, and do more seminars, etc. But that is a separate thing then winning or losing the Olympia. I would guess the most successful competitors in bikini, figure, and physique are those who don't need drugs to look good. Basically any girl can get the muscle mass of a figure pro with the right drugs. The problem is 99% of them will look like dudes, have horrible sides and no longer look like a figure competitor anyway. 95% of the top figure pros will not have an ounce of voice deepening, etc. However, even local amateur shows are just crawling with manly voices from girls trying to attain the level of muscularity the top girls have naturally or at least almost naturally. The truly successful ones are naturally blessed with the genetics for either holding fat right, having the right shape, symmetry etc. That said, there is no magic 'regimen' for a figure, bikini, or physique girl. Some are taking more than others, some are clean, and so on. The best ones in my mind look clean. Erin looks more natural than Nicole, that's why I'd have her win... and the bikini winner looks more natural than Melo which is why I agree with it. I like muscle too, don't get me wrong, but the slightest hint of masculinity is frowned upon by judges.

edit. by masculinity, I am referring to things commonly referred to as a bodybuilders physique... ie, dry, hard, muscular, etc.

I think part of the reason my Wife ended up winning this year was because the sport evolved to the point where you didn't need to look juiced up to win. Very subjective thing though. Personally I find Melo's glutes to look a whole lot like mine in the offseason.

edit. I am not saying she has a manly bum. I am saying she has a whole lot of round muscle in there. which might be more common to figure girls and is not necessarily what the judges are looking for in bikini.

I don't disagree with Dana winning though - if that is the look they want, then great. She is marketable, and she has more fans on facebook than probably all other olympia contestants COMBINED! She didn't need to win to have success in the future, she didn't even need a pro card to have success. People just love her. I personally just favor better balance especially in the legs. Her structure is a little less feminine than some of the others in the lower half.

Men's physique... If I had to write down the criteria, it would again be genetics completely. You have to somehow look huge, look like a photoshopped cover of a muscle magazine. Large chest, abs, good arm and calfs, flawless skin perfect face an bone structure. Somehow having ripped abs, but not to the point of striations. no real deep seperation or veins. Basically a good example would be someone the size of a light-heavy bodybuilder, who was 3-4 weeks out, who didn't pump up, carb up, and came in extremely flat (ie no veins, no pump, no stomach distention). Or something like that.

[blp]

I found dayana cadeau , denise masino n larrisa reis

icon of sex

I dont see any masculine in them

It belong to taste n fetish i guess

drugs are more establish then you presume

you sound like idfa ufe federation

which are great

but one left need fluctuations of freaks

ifbb portray your mindset in this evolution

i dont see why freak should belong only to men category

but again my intent is rebel n anti commercial


So i cant deny that your right

[fitbody]

Is she natural? Probably not, but really who cares. The way I see it is that the bikini winner should look natural. Whether or not they actually are is irrelevant. So, to me, Melo looks unatural. Perhaps she hasn't even taken creatine, but that doesn't really matter, since in my eyes, she doesn't look 'bikini'. She is definitely marketable, and like you say, she'll travel the world and have more fans, and do more seminars, etc. But that is a separate thing then winning or losing the Olympia. I would guess the most successful competitors in bikini, figure, and physique are those who don't need drugs to look good. Basically any girl can get the muscle mass of a figure pro with the right drugs. The problem is 99% of them will look like dudes, have horrible sides and no longer look like a figure competitor anyway. 95% of the top figure pros will not have an ounce of voice deepening, etc. However, even local amateur shows are just crawling with manly voices from girls trying to attain the level of muscularity the top girls have naturally or at least almost naturally. The truly successful ones are naturally blessed with the genetics for either holding fat right, having the right shape, symmetry etc. That said, there is no magic 'regimen' for a figure, bikini, or physique girl. Some are taking more than others, some are clean, and so on. The best ones in my mind look clean. Erin looks more natural than Nicole, that's why I'd have her win... and the bikini winner looks more natural than Melo which is why I agree with it. I like muscle too, don't get me wrong, but I don't like the slightest hint of masculinity. I think part of the reason my Wife ended up winning this year was because the sport evolved to the point where you didn't need to look juiced up to win. Very subjective thing though. Personally I find Melo's glutes to look a whole lot like mine in the offseason. I'd rather be looking at a more feminine ass.


I don't disagree with Dana winning though - if that is the look they want, then great. She is marketable, and she has more fans on facebook than probably all other olympia contestants COMBINED! She didn't need to win to have success in the future, she didn't even need a pro card to have success. People just love her. I personally just favor better balance especially in the legs. Her structure is a little less feminine than some of the others in the lower half.

Men's physique... If I had to write down the criteria, it would again be genetics completely. You have to somehow look huge, look like a photoshopped cover of a muscle magazine. Large chest, abs, good arm and calfs, flawless skin perfect face an bone structure. Somehow having ripped abs, but not to the point of striations. no real deep seperation or veins. Basically a good example would be someone the size of a light-heavy bodybuilder, who was 3-4 weeks out, who didn't pump up, carb up, and came in extremely flat (ie no veins, no pump, no stomach distention). Or something like that.


OMG ARE YOU SERIOUS ???????????
the bikini winner should look natural ?? why???
and then you say even if she isn't ?????? hahahaha that seems ridiculous and hilarious and the same time not to mention CONFUSING
i guess that goes for natural lookin breasts as well ???? lol

then you say Melo looks UNATURAL.... really ? why ? cuz she's totally hot and BANGIN'
you are probably one of those people who loves sports figures
and think they should be all natural but want them to do unnatural things
and then throw stones at them when they fail a drug test and get found out

and THIS !!!!!!!!!! COMMENT BY YOU...."Personally I find Melo's glutes to look a whole lot like mine in the offseason. I'd rather be looking at a more feminine ass."
I FIND HORRIFYING AND ok i'm speechless to find the words to articulate what i'm thinking
actually my husband just said it while i was typing it 'I don't think i've ever heard anything like that before"
fighting hard right now not to say what's really on my mind but knowing you are a moderator i know it will just get deleted
as will probably this whole post anyway


i'm not wasting any more of my time on this as i could go on and on
but again whats the point when i'm sure it's gonna be deleted anyway

[fitbody]

I found dayana cadeau , denise masino n larrisa reis

icon of sex

I dont see any masculine in them

It belong to taste n fetish i guess

drugs are more establish then you presume

you sound like idfa ufe federation

which are great

but one left need fluctuations of freaks

ifbb portray your mindset in this evolution

i dont see why freak should belong only to men category

but again my intent is rebel n anti commercial


So i cant deny that your right

ALL I CAN SAY IS...
THANK GOD FOR BLP

geezus christus SOMEONE WITH AN OPEN MIND
SOMEONE WHO ALLOWS & RESPECTS EACH TO EXPRESS THEIR INDIVIDUALITY IN WHATEVER WAY THEY CHOOSE
really what this all comes down to
is allowing those to CREATE & BE THE PERSON THEY WANT TO BE
and those who judge and criticize well that just shows what type of people they are

what is Natural anyway
in this fake world of pills and potions, plastic surgery, dying of hair, makeup, spray tan this and that
come on

and those who say THIS IS MASCULINE
and this is FEMININE
come on really ????
cuz you have more muscle thatz MASCULINE ????
whatever.....
and the same guy who says that is shaving his legs and gettin his eyebrows shaped lmao wearing a bikini onstage
hahahahahhahahahhaha
OK

live and let live
judge not lest ye be judged
be who you are, and say what you feel...
cuz those who mind don't matter
and those who matter don't mind !!!!!

[fitbody]

here you go Mr.Moderator... steve_d
here's a butt shot of Natalia Melo at the Olympia
and you please post up your offseason butt shot so we can compare how close your butt is to Natalia's ?
cuz thatz one hell of a claim you made
and don't forget to spread your legs and arch your back and the high heels will be a nice touch too

[TT Eric]

I agree with you Dawn I think she look amazing also, but I also think that Steve is untitled to his own opinion, I don't think you should take it personal and bring this on FB and steer sh!t. You are both respectable person.

Eric

[steve_d]

OMG ARE YOU SERIOUS ???????????
the bikini winner should look natural ?? why???
and then you say even if she isn't ?????? hahahaha that seems ridiculous and hilarious and the same time not to mention CONFUSING
i guess that goes for natural lookin breasts as well ???? lol

then you say Melo looks UNATURAL.... really ? why ? cuz she's totally hot and BANGIN'
you are probably one of those people who loves sports figures
and think they should be all natural but want them to do unnatural things
and then throw stones at them when they fail a drug test and get found out

and THIS !!!!!!!!!! COMMENT BY YOU...."Personally I find Melo's glutes to look a whole lot like mine in the offseason. I'd rather be looking at a more feminine ass."
I FIND HORRIFYING AND ok i'm speechless to find the words to articulate what i'm thinking
actually my husband just said it while i was typing it 'I don't think i've ever heard anything like that before"
fighting hard right now not to say what's really on my mind but knowing you are a moderator i know it will just get deleted
as will probably this whole post anyway


i'm not wasting any more of my time on this as i could go on and on
but again whats the point when i'm sure it's gonna be deleted anyway

This isn't going to be taken down. My wife looks more 'unatural' than Nathalia as well, in the sense of having larger muscles and whatnot. And I love the way she looks. I don't think Nathalia isn't 'sexy' or whatever either. You have perhaps taken strong offense to my post for the wrong reason. All my comments were making were as a judge of the sport, justifying the reason why they chose someone else over her to win. So obviously someone agrees with me. I also said nathalia could do well in figure. And let's get real here before you continue taking offense and attacking me both here and on facebook... I saw your post there as well. I actually prefer the look of figure to bikini in terms of attractiveness. But does that mean I think nicole wilkins is better than amanda latona at bikini? no... If nicole wilkins competed in bikini, i would say similar things as well... I would tell people, the reason nicole lost bikini is because she was too masculine for bikini. SO perhaps the wording is what is being taken offense too. She's not manly, she's just not as soft as the winner. And personally, the softness is what is the preferred look in bikini. And the muscle density that Nathalia has (while sexy) is too much for bikini. I love her look. as a person, or as a fitness model. I favor a softer look in BIKINI,.

Also.. to clarify what I meant about looking natural. That means, someone who likely doesn't need anabolics to get to that size or what have you. There are anomalies to everything, and the best in the world obviously have predispositions for muscle growth etc. I don't want to make this about whether someone is natural or not either. I wouldn't be shocked if she was natural in the sense of not taking anabolics, but let's get real, i wouldn't be shocked if she was either. HOWEVER, the winner on the other hand... if someone said she was taking even something as mild as anavar, I would be shocked. There is NO hint of anabolics at all. She just looks generally like a soft girl who doesn't have veins in abs, etc. Again, no taking offense to this. I am a judge as well, and I am not talking about how I view girls 'sexually' here. I am talking about how I would judge them. Judging a bikini class, I would be more inclined to knock down veins in stomach and muscle mass that would fit well in figure. There HAS to be a distinguishing factor here. And if I feel someone (ex. Nathalia) could hold her own in figure, I would mark her down.

Dawn. Your comment about who I am as a person I take offense to. If you even have a clue who I am, you would know you're wrong. throw stones at people who fail drug tests? Really? I won't even bother with pointing out how silly that comment actually is.

I will apologize for one thing only. I said 'I don't like the slightest hint of masculinity'.... what I should have said was 'too hard looking should be knocked down on a bikini competitor.'

[natenator]

Steve: you can't fix stupid so no sense trying to debate with this cro-magnon.

Furthermore, the fact she thought it appropriate to take the discussion to facebook just what kind of a **** she really is.

[steve_d]

and those who say THIS IS MASCULINE
and this is FEMININE
come on really ????
cuz you have more muscle thatz MASCULINE ????

Who can say masculine and feminine... Well, let's be real here. Men naturally have more muscle than women. Some women have more muscle than some men. I compete and there are probably thousands of women who have more muscle than me. If you had to draw a distribution of muscle mass women vs. men, you would have some overlap, but the curve would be shifted in the sense that men have more muscle than women on average. So that is how masculine and feminine are defined. It's also very subjective as BLP posted a handful of women who he finds not masculine at all. However, the general population would not agree with him. And you cannot say that people are wrong with how they feel or think. It's very subjective, if a girl has abs, I find it sexy. Other men would say its disgusting. Who's right? No one. All personal preference. I never once said I don't find her attractive. I find lots of shapes and sizes attractive. That wasn't the point. But when I say things like 'slightest hint of masculinity' I suppose the more politically correct thing to say is they might be better softer. HOWEVER, a girl like Nathalia would in fact not do as good if she was softer. at that point, she'd simply be too big. If she carried the same amount of bodyfat as the winner, she'd place lower. Her strength is getting lean and drawing the attention to those things as her strengths. But at the end of the day, when the dust settles, the judges on that day could only place her in the top 5, but not the top 3.

Also, for the record masculine doesn't imply unattractive. In fact, feminine in the truest sense of the word is less attractive to me and many others. Everyone has different tastes, humans, and judges alike. But to reiterate the point of this, the 4 women categories should have clear distinguishing factors. nathalia might belong somewhere in the middle of bikini and figure, I feel with the right training, she could actually win the figure olympia. But she may never win the bikini olympia again... But you never know right?

[steve_d]

PS: one last thing on this topic. The comment about my offseason bum was just something to be silly. I actually have quite a feminine ass I've been told. But it certainly doesn't look like the winners! So again, masculine, feminine, where do you draw the line? You don't there is no such thing. On a more serious note, I'll use the words glutes. Its a muscle, and essentially I think the way bikini is going is less muscle, and that includes glutes. However, they want the glutes to not shake and be able to bounce quarters off them. a pretty hard thing to have without some muscle in there. And thats why it will take winners who have predisposition to carrying fat extremely well. Is it right or wrong? Neither. its the sport, if one disagrees with it, that's fine, but that's the reality of the sport. I am not knocking Melo's look as a person, I am critiquing it to say why I feel she placed 4th, and not first.

I guess my post was taken out of context and is now being taken out of context on facebook. It's a shame one needed to resort to that. Perhaps you should have asked me to clarify. If anyone thinks I am acting unprofessional in my critique, and that I should not be a moderator here then please let me know. I am glad to retract anything that is inappropriate, but anyone who knows me will know I didn't mean anything negative by any of it. I am a fan of the sport, and have always been and always will. I am as unbiased as they come and while I am only human, I will have my own subjective thoughts. The only thing I would not do is bully someone online, or say anything negative about someone (other than myself and my girly bum).

I've also said right from the start that bikini didn't really 'belong' in the sense that people might not respect it as much in a bodybuilding show. And for a while, most will remember thinking it was a joke. And then girls like Melo won, and people started respecting it more. And now with the new winners, I am hearing a whole lot more of what I used to... Criticizing the lack of muscle and so on... However, because figure exists, it would be too close to figure and they had to bring a different 'sport' in the mix, where perhaps genetics would play a bigger role than the amount of muscle and muscle definition you might need. Am I being defensive, yes... of course... because I am not used to anyone attacking my opinions. I try to be as politically correct as I can, but I guess I didn't this time.

[natenator]

If anyone thinks I am acting unprofessional in my critique, and that I should not be a moderator here then please let me know.

please see my post above.

you can't fix stupid bro!

[steve_d]

Guess not trying to fix really. But hopefully anyone who read the out of context post on facebook which was shared on 6 friends walls will come here and read what was actually being written and what point I was trying to make. Funny how some people go as far as saying I must have less muscle than a bikini chick and my wife having a miley ass. And even if that were true, whats the difference... But it just makes it more silly when you know the truth. Not knocking down melo's phsyique. never have never would. Just don't think its right for bikini the way bikini had as a direction. Besides, my honest opinion is more in line with everyone hating on the guy's (me) post. I personally wish bikini was more like fitness model. In fact, it would make more sense if it was fitness model, bodybuilding, and fitness. That's it. Women have a lot of divisions, Men have 2, and I think the men's side have it right. Huge, and cover mag guy. women could do the same. Bodybuiding judged the same as they judge men and fitness model / cover model.

[fitbody]

This isn't going to be taken down. My wife looks more 'unatural' than Nathalia as well, in the sense of having larger muscles and whatnot. And I love the way she looks. I don't think Nathalia isn't 'sexy' or whatever either. You have perhaps taken strong offense to my post for the wrong reason. All my comments were making were as a judge of the sport, justifying the reason why they chose someone else over her to win. So obviously someone agrees with me. I also said nathalia could do well in figure. And let's get real here before you continue taking offense and attacking me both here and on facebook... I saw your post there as well. I actually prefer the look of figure to bikini in terms of attractiveness. But does that mean I think nicole wilkins is better than amanda latona at bikini? no... If nicole wilkins competed in bikini, i would say similar things as well... I would tell people, the reason nicole lost bikini is because she was too masculine for bikini. SO perhaps the wording is what is being taken offense too. She's not manly, she's just not as soft as the winner. And personally, the softness is what is the preferred look in bikini. And the muscle density that Nathalia has (while sexy) is too much for bikini. I love her look. as a person, or as a fitness model. I favor a softer look in BIKINI,.

Also.. to clarify what I meant about looking natural. That means, someone who likely doesn't need anabolics to get to that size or what have you. There are anomalies to everything, and the best in the world obviously have predispositions for muscle growth etc. I don't want to make this about whether someone is natural or not either. I wouldn't be shocked if she was natural in the sense of not taking anabolics, but let's get real, i wouldn't be shocked if she was either. HOWEVER, the winner on the other hand... if someone said she was taking even something as mild as anavar, I would be shocked. There is NO hint of anabolics at all. She just looks generally like a soft girl who doesn't have veins in abs, etc. Again, no taking offense to this. I am a judge as well, and I am not talking about how I view girls 'sexually' here. I am talking about how I would judge them. Judging a bikini class, I would be more inclined to knock down veins in stomach and muscle mass that would fit well in figure. There HAS to be a distinguishing factor here. And if I feel someone (ex. Nathalia) could hold her own in figure, I would mark her down.

Dawn. Your comment about who I am as a person I take offense to. If you even have a clue who I am, you would know you're wrong. throw stones at people who fail drug tests? Really? I won't even bother with pointing out how silly that comment actually is.

I will apologize for one thing only. I said 'I don't like the slightest hint of masculinity'.... what I should have said was 'too hard looking should be knocked down on a bikini competitor.'

if you think i'm attacking you don't know me very well i hadn't even warmed up
and i am here DEFENDING THOSE WHO ARE NOT HERE TO DEFEND THEMSELVES
cuz i'm sure Natalia Melo is not on this forum and hasn't seen your post
and i bet if you did a poll and asked ANY WOMAN....
THAT THEIR BUTT LOOKED LIKE A MANS IN THE OFFSEASON and that they looked MASCULINE
they would be offended

BY THE WAY THERE ARE OTHER FORUMS WHO HAVE RULES ABOUT THIS TYPE OF POSTING
and coming from a moderator it's very uncool imo


oh and by the way i've seen plenty of girls as soft or softer and as small as that BIKINI OLYMPIA CHAMPION that were taking anabolics
i'm on the front lines as a full time personal trainer and prep coach i'm often horrified to hear way too many girls
not only what they're on... but how much
and more often than not their boyfriend told them to take it

[fitbody]

Guess not trying to fix really. But hopefully anyone who read the out of context post on facebook which was shared on 6 friends walls will come here and read what was actually being written and what point I was trying to make. Funny how some people go as far as saying I must have less muscle than a bikini chick and my wife having a miley ass. And even if that were true, whats the difference... But it just makes it more silly when you know the truth. Not knocking down melo's phsyique. never have never would. Just don't think its right for bikini the way bikini had as a direction. Besides, my honest opinion is more in line with everyone hating on the guy's (me) post. I personally wish bikini was more like fitness model. In fact, it would make more sense if it was fitness model, bodybuilding, and fitness. That's it. Women have a lot of divisions, Men have 2, and I think the men's side have it right. Huge, and cover mag guy. women could do the same. Bodybuiding judged the same as they judge men and fitness model / cover model.

OUT OF CONTEXT
THE REST OF THE CONTEXT IS NOT RELEVANT
what this is about is you saying NATALIA's butt looks like yours in the offseason and she looks masculine
THIS IS WHAT YOU SAID
And this is the point

[fitbody]

Steve: you can't fix stupid so no sense trying to debate with this cro-magnon.

Furthermore, the fact she thought it appropriate to take the discussion to facebook just what kind of a **** she really is.

what does **** mean?

oh that means you GAVE ME 4 STARS HOW SWEET

[steve_d]

OUT OF CONTEXT
THE REST OF THE CONTEXT IS NOT RELEVANT
what this is about is you saying NATALIA's butt looks like yours in the offseason and she looks masculine
THIS IS WHAT YOU SAID
And this is the point

Again. didn't say she looks masculine far from it. I said judges are stearing away from hints of masculinity. Masculinity in this context has nothing to do with looking like a man. She doesn't look like a man. Not even close. However, I think the judges are stearing away from a hard look. too dry looking, something that distinguishes from figure. Out of context is when you take pieces of my post and not include what I was trying to convey which is shown in my posts leading up to that post, and the thread is related to olympia results. My only comments were trying to clarify results and explaining them. I'll remove what I posted but its too little too late. which is the main reason I wish you would have contacted me to point out my posts seemed offensive. I tend to write really quickly and just get down what is flowing through my head at the time. By saying things like 'looks like mine in off-season' isn't meant to say ' she has a butt that looks like a guys'. It is meant to say there is a lot of muscle in there, roundness, looks like she can squat a tun, and is in shape. All compliments. It comes across weird if you think of me as a stick figure who doesn't know what the gym even is. So yes, I'll fully apologize for that as it comes across as chauvinistic which is completely not what the intent was.

[razorsedge]

Sounds like someone knows what they're talking about...nice work P!!



Ramy should have been top 6 easy...huge politics there.

Jay was given a gift at 6th...should have been much lower.

Iris was beaten by Alina and was a poor decision for FBB...but I think the IFBB plans to kill it completely so not sure it matters

If Ramy gets freaky lean hell own the O for a few years at least.

Phil was a good choice...very professional, polished, speaks well...looks awesome...crazy genetics!

Mens physique...Mark definitely was given a gift...not sure whats happening there...

Bikini...go figure!

P

And why do you have to apologize for having an "opinion"....no need!!

[steve_d]

oh and by the way i've seen plenty of girls as soft or softer and as small as that BIKINI OLYMPIA CHAMPION that were taking anabolics
i'm on the front lines as a full time personal trainer and prep coach i'm often horrified to hear way too many girls
not only what they're on... but how much
and more often than not their boyfriend told them to take it

I have seen this too. I didn't want to make anything about drugs which is why I only touched on it. I said the look they are going for is small and soft, which is perfectly ok. Had they decided harder is good, then that would be okay as well. Like I say, I prefer a look of slightly harder, or slightly more muscle which is why I tend to follow figure a bit more. Doesn't mean I don't know why or can't respect why the decision has gravitated towards a softer look. Its a shame some guys push drugs on females especially those who were really only interested in competing in bikini, or figure, or perhaps just starting out and is only a hobby for them. It isn't necessary to take drugs to look like the bikini winner. It's also not necessary to take drugs to look like nathalia. She's not huge, and that level of muscle mass is attainable 100% natural. So is the level of muscle that 90% of the top figure girls bring. I am not naive. I know that even though its attainable, many amateurs are quick to jump the gun. I also referred to these views in another post.

But what was shown on facebook makes me look like I have only 1 opinion, and that is I find muscle on a women unappealing. and that is far, very very far, from the truth.

[steve_d]

if you think i'm attacking you don't know me very well

I don't know you well at all. But yes, I feel as though sharing this and including my name and sharing it to multiple peoples wall on social media is kinda an attack. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out who I am. My hope is that anyone who reads these posts can appreciate my love for the sport, as well as any athlete who competes in any division. I commented on the reasons why someone didn't place 1st when many people have asked 'why'.... I am only trying to clarify my thoughts as to why.

I've seen the multitude of facebook posts slamming any girl with even a line resembling an ab outline. people slamming DLB and nicole in a pic they took together, saying they look like dudes in dresses. I am sickened by those posts. This is what I fear has been interpretted by MY posts. Which on your facebook posts has begun to look like... One post calling me out saying i must not lift and my partner having a miley ass. This just shows the kind of person people might assume I am. I don't wish to be lumped into a group who detest girls with muscle. Obviously.

[steve_d]

One more thing... this masculine vs feminine thing is silly. On the cbbf website it says physique girls should pocess shape, symmetry, muscle, etc without comprimising femininity. So what do they mean by that? I am not saying they are right or wrong, but the wording is there, and that in itself is confusing. what do they mean by femininity? what defines female beauty? If you go by the standard waist to hip ratio (what is it, something like 70% was proven 'ideal'?) then none of them should win. So masculine, feminine, technically they are all bad words, but you just hope no one takes them out of context.

I was actually told at a judges meeting once that bikini is typically by who is sexiest. this was in its early years. kinda hard to know what to do when 1 person finds x sexy and y unsexy, and the other judge is vice versa. It;s still in its early years, but I think with the introduction of phsyique, and its trickling down effects on figure and bodybuilding, we will see a further trickling down to bikini and that is to say bikini will remain softer and a look more based on pure genetics and less to do with work put in the gym to develop muscle.

Someone also wanted to know what i meant by women not being 5 time olympia champs in bikini as is much more common in bodybuilding (ex iris kyle). My point is that while possible, the sport is growing and you will see a whole lot more competition coming into it, and what I think will happen is the winner will really be the new kid in town. I could be 100% wrong, who knows. Its just an opinion. and if i were a betting man, I would bet on less likelihood of 5 time repeat olympia champs in bikini than in bodybuilding.

[scottlove]

[QUOTE=fitbody;446051]here you go Mr.Moderator... steve_d
here's a butt shot of Natalia Melo at the Olympia
and you please post up your offseason butt shot so we can compare how close your butt is to Natalia's ?
cuz thatz one hell of a claim you made
and don't forget to spread your legs and arch your back and the high heels will be a nice touch too[/QUOTE On a happier note, I'd eat my dinner off that ass!

[Hosehead]

Steve: you can't fix stupid so no sense trying to debate with this cro-magnon.

Furthermore, the fact she thought it appropriate to take the discussion to facebook just what kind of a **** she really is.

Ever take the time to look at her Q & A column ? I once wasted five minutes of my life and noticed that in fact it's not a Q & A at all. It's self promotion for her and her trainees. No one ever asks her for advice. No one gives a rat's arse.

[natenator]

Ever take the time to look at her Q & A column ? I once wasted five minutes of my life and noticed that in fact it's not a Q & A at all. It's self promotion for her and her trainees. No one ever asks her for advice. No one gives a rat's arse.

I have noticed: http://www.canadabodybuilding.com/showthread.php?21364-Q-amp-A-with-Dawn-Alison&p=430090#post430090

lmao

[steve_d]

If you do a quick google search on the matter, or just browse any forum, you'll come across similar threads talking about masculinity. People take offense to the word. We all have masculine and feminine traits. Many people use it as an insult, others use it to describe general characteristics of the body and or personality. Many women find it 'sexy' when their men have a sensitive side, or are in touch with their feminine side. Equivalently many men find it sexy when a women is in touch with their aggressive masculine side. So it should be taken as a compliment depending on the context. Many women are proud they have big arms. and for some, this is 'sexy' for others it isn't. Men and Women are born with 'male' hormones and 'female' hormones - but obviously because we both have the the same hormones in different quantities, I suppose how can you say testosterone is a male hormone *(of course, men have more test, so its associated for that reason alone). So if a women has hints of masculinity, that is something to be proud of if you embrace your own ideal. Some people are threatened by this, others love it.

The only thing I have strong opinions about is men or women turning into something they are not, or dislike for the sake of a judged sport. Nathalia is not one of those. She looks the way she feels is sexy and in doing has many followers. I don't think she trains in a certain way for a trophy. She trains in the way that makes her look the way she wants to look and give her the successes she wants. Because of that she will continue to be one of the more popular bikini competitors.

So what constitutes feminine vs. masculine traits? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I didn't intend for this to be a discussion about 1 individual in particular. My posts were about the results so I won't be talking about specific individuals in this thread. If anyone wants to continue the discussion, feel free to open a new thread. Although I have a suspicion the issue is over with.

[InterviewerCBB]

Guess not trying to fix really. But hopefully anyone who read the out of context post on facebook which was shared on 6 friends walls will come here and read what was actually being written and what point I was trying to make. Funny how some people go as far as saying I must have less muscle than a bikini chick and my wife having a miley ass.

You and your wife look great, as does Fitbody.

[InterviewerCBB]

Steve: you can't fix stupid so no sense trying to debate with this cro-magnon.

Furthermore, the fact she thought it appropriate to take the discussion to facebook just what kind of a **** she really is.

This can happen at any time, which is why it is good to be careful what you choose to write. The plus side may be that more people signed up because of Fitbody's FB post and will stick around and contribute. It got me signed back in.

[blp]

Your reword it

like a pro steve

very articulate

eloquent language skills

thk u

[blp]

Plls dont reply to fitbody but read

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she been quieter n motivation oriented
her sex q & a on rx .. that was a blast lol