Sterile Oil

[toynut]

Hey y'all,
Seen this question before but have not found an answer.
Can anyone tell me where i can order some sterile oil in Canada?

I know you can cut with b12 but the b12 that i have is water based and i would rather stick with oil/oil mixture

Thank you

[Testa]

Just get some grape seed oil or safflower oil from the grocery and filter 0.45umsyringe filter. Filter into a sterile vial for later use. And it's sterile

[MassNutrition]

Just get some grape seed oil or safflower oil from the grocery and filter 0.45umsyringe filter. Filter into a sterile vial for later use. And it's sterile

I hate that idea. Sterile or not, we're talking food grade here. There is no way in hell I would shoot food grade into me.

I would send you some, but it's not worth it if you have to cover the shipping costs... USP grade and technical grade are pretty cheap.

[gsxr750]

Doesn't CanadianMedSupplies carry that stuff? Board sponsor up top..

[BolicPower]

I hate that idea. Sterile or not, we're talking food grade here. There is no way in hell I would shoot food grade into me.

I would send you some, but it's not worth it if you have to cover the shipping costs... USP grade and technical grade are pretty cheap. Your very correct, this is NO way safe! Grocery oil is that! Salad dressing, you think they'd say heat and run in syringe, THEN sterile? no, there's bacteria etc
If you run Windex, would it be sterile? no!!
I know people think it's safe, but all it takes is ONE batch and you have some major bacteria infection, and your in hospital, hopefully someone here knows places, Grocery stores are just for that!!

Put is this way, heroin addict heat that shit on a spoon, and call it sterile..lol.. get it??

[toynut]

unfortunetly, canadian medsupplies does not carry anything that could help me...

Not too worried about cost. there must be somewhere online (canadian site)
that has this stuff available to order...

[Kilburn]

i bought some but only used it for like 2 weeks. your body will eventually fully adjust and you will have little to no pain.

why not just cut it with other less painful steroids. like boldenone?

edit: the site i used was researchsupply.net

[toynut]

The juice i need to cut is 200 mg per ml of test prop...
My secondary product is npp (also a little painful but very endurable)

For researchsupply.net, could it get snagged by canada customs even though it's legal?

[Kilburn]

mine didnt and i also ordered pins from them too.

[Baconbits]

The juice i need to cut is 200 mg per ml of test prop...
My secondary product is npp (also a little painful but very endurable)

If your gear is Swedish, I had the same problem. Don't worry, you will eventually get used to it. The first 2-3 weeks can get pretty painful and then it's seem to get much better.

[toynut]

Ya, it's "Swedish Prop",
Had to stop pinning quads
(people were laughing at my gimpy walk at work, was also moaning like an old man when sitting down or getting up!!)

Last time i did delt, arm turn red down past my elbow, (no fever or nausea)
Also had a lump (about 1.5 inches from injection site???)

But it does not burn that much going in?

might give researchsupply.net a try (thanx Killburn),
but i would feel better if it was coming from inside canada but if i have no choice, it's worth a shot
so be it..

[Big D]

i have a buddy that had the same problem, he was using 100mg/ml prop but then switched to the swedish prop 200mg/ml and he said it was painful as hell limping for weeks, and flu symptoms.
he stopped his cycle because it was to painfull hahah



Ya, it's "Swedish Prop",
Had to stop pinning quads
(people were laughing at my gimpy walk at work, was also moaning like an old man when sitting down or getting up!!)

Last time i did delt, arm turn red down past my elbow, (no fever or nausea)
Also had a lump (about 1.5 inches from injection site???)

But it does not burn that much going in?

might give researchsupply.net a try (thanx Killburn),
but i would feel better if it was coming from inside canada but if i have no choice, it's worth a shot
so be it..

[BolicPower]

I'd say research supply.net for now, thing is that IMO LE i defiantly watching there site, for sure!! if you have a personal amount it's fine. OR get sent to a friends home. Its legal. Just something LE would know what it's for. I'd say if you get from a lab, then maybe ask them for few mls, I'm sure,anyone can get for 10 bucks or what ever (no clue) you can get 20mls or something you need. JUST BE SAFE. Don't do ghetto ways. Your body is your temple.

Just re-reading the thread, you say prop you have is 200mg/cc? i don't understand why any place would do that, as most will suffer. flue,/fever/swelling/sore, Ya if that high cut it somehow, no reason for 200mg/cc, if 1cc oil will make that much difference, then there's problems. you figure you're shotting almost daily, so why so high? unless you make and stake yoursefl, Hell, i think best for prop is 75-100mg maybe even 50mg/
Try reseaarch supplys. if you cant find

[Testa]

If you guys read any of the sites with homebrew sections you would see that there are is large percentage of guys brewing there own using grape seed oil. Check it out I'm not talken shit here.I have been using safflower oil for 4 months with absolutly no issues.

[bigdaddydrew123]

If you guys read any of the sites with homebrew sections you would see that there are is large percentage of guys brewing there own using grape seed oil. Check it out I'm not talken shit here.I have been using safflower oil for 4 months with absolutly no issues.if your using for home brew your heating it filtering it and adding alcohol so its sterile, but just adding food grade oil to dilute your gear is risky

[Blitz-Test]

Get Oil from grocery

Heat over 160

run through a .45 filter twice, and your good

[gsxr750]

Guhhh. I mean, if you took pre-used disguisting food grade fryer oil and reheated it to 160 and pushed it through a filter would you use it?

There's gotta be better options bud.

[Blitz-Test]

Guhhh. I mean, if you took pre-used disguisting food grade fryer oil and reheated it to 160 and pushed it through a filter would you use it?

There's gotta be better options bud.

Lol you would need like 10000 filters lol, you would destroy the filter so fast...

[Testa]

Get Oil from grocery

Heat over 160

run through a .45 filter twice, and your good

I know for dry heat sterilization you hold it at 275f for 1 hour, this should kill everything.I do this in the oven for sterilizing vials.
I would not go that high of a temp with gear but for oil it shouldn't hurt anything.
You know any of you guys using UG gear right now chances are your shooting food grade oil made sterile.

[Testa]

if your using for home brew your heating it filtering it and adding alcohol so its sterile, but just adding food grade oil to dilute your gear is risky

Yes you are right It should be heated.I hadn't thought about it as I always just diluit with another compound.
BA does not kill bacteria, it only helps prevent the spread and growth of bacteria.

[BolicPower]

Guhhh. I mean, if you took pre-used disguisting food grade fryer oil and reheated it to 160 and pushed it through a filter would you use it?

There's gotta be better options bud. This is what i'm saying, you can use canola oil and " sterilize "it but bacteria, is everywhere and these oil company standards are FAR from HG use, and i'm sure you can use a food grade oil, but imo your asking for trouble, you CAN"T filter out lots of bacteria, and even under extreme heat lots of bacteria will not die. I know with UG, it's like rolling a dice, for sterility, but seems when UG's were around, I've honestly heard shit that made me gag all do to some wanta be thinking his shit was good cause he heated in his GAS stove,and bought a sterile bottle lol most here would be surprised what some UG people would do to keep "bad" storys off boards. A dude i know at my gym, (not new) got crazy arm infection from winny about a year ago now i'd guess , the lab was smart enough to not make for a while later on. (Gave him money back, and diffrent gear)Do yourself a favour and just order REAL sterile oil. Like Testa said some have used that other shit , but save your self the risk and stay healthy.

[Testa]

You guys would probably find this interesting,I did.

DRY HEAT STERILIZATION OF PARENTERAL OIL VEHICLES.
T Kupiec1 , R Ahmad2 , P Matthews3 , L V Allen, Jr.4

1Analytical Research Laboratories, Edmond, OK, 2University of Central Oklahoma, Edmond, OK, 3Analytical Research Laboratories, Edmond, OK, 4Midwest Institute of Research and Technology, Edmond, OK,





Purpose.

The purpose of this study was to evaluate the effect of temperature and time on the dry heat sterilization conditions of three different parenteral oil vehicles. Methods. Three different oils, cottonseed oil, peanut oil, and sesame seed oil were each spiked with Bacillus subtillus spores. The inoculated oils were exposed to dry heat at 4 different temperatures (150&#186;C, 160&#186;C, 170&#186;C, and 180&#186;C) for three time intervals (1, 1.5 and 2 hours). Following inoculation and dry heat sterilization, samples were placed in a sterile laminar flow hood and processed according to <71> Sterility Tests of the USP XXIII using thioglycolate broth and fluid D. The specimens were then placed into the incubator at 30&#186;C for 3, 5 and 7 days and observed for bacterial growth. The above variables were performed in triplicate. Positive and negative controls were run along with each variable and group for quality control. Results. Cottonseed oil, peanut oil, and sesame seed oil were found to be free of Bacillus subtillus following dry heat sterilization at all four temperatures for 1, 1.5 and 2 hours at 3, 5 and 7 days. The positive controls were positive for observed growth and the negative controls had no observed bacterial growth. Conclusions. Dry heat sterilization of parenteral oils at 150&#186;C for one hour was sufficient time and temperature. However the authors recommend dry heat sterilization at 160&#186;C for one hour after the oil has reached the desired temperature. These studies were partially funded by the Professional Compounding Centers of America, Inc.

[Testa]

I would say that between filtering and dry heat sterilization your are safe.

[bigdaddydrew123]

I would say that between filtering and dry heat sterilization your are safe.
good to know

[Testa]

This quote came from a book called Pharmaceutical Microbiology Note at the end it says that this is the process used for sterilizing Injectable oil based preperations. I found this very interesting also.



Pharmaceutical Microbiology

B. DRY HEAT STERILIZATION
The value of heat in the form of fire has been known for centuries
Examples of Dry heat sterilization are:
• Incineration
• Read heat
• Flaming
• Hot air oven
Dry heat sterilization
The resistance of bacterial spores to dry heat is generally greater than the presence of
moisture. This is due to the fact that sterilization by the use of hot air in ovens; where
diffusion and penetration of heat into the load is achieved slowly because of the
inefficiency of air of as a heating medium.
The equilibrium of heat must be accelerated by forced air circulation using a fan. The
slow rate of heat absorption and thus microbial killing by hot air combine to make
this process time consuming; That is he total process time including the time taken for
the free chamber space to achieve the required temp, the sterilizing time and the
cooling. Thus in general dry heat sterilization requires higher temperatures and
extended periods of sterilization
PROCESS TEMPATURE C HOLDING TIME
(min)
STERILZATION
DRY HEAT
160 120
170 60
180 30
MOIST HEAT
121 15
126 10
134 3

Due to the high temperatures required for dry heat sterilization can only be used for
thermostable, moisture sensitive or moisture impermeable pharmaceutical and
medicinal. These include products like;
• Dry powdered drugs
• Suspensions of drug in non aqueos solvents
• Oils, fats waxes, soft hard paraffin silicone
• Oily injections, implants, ophthalmic ointments, ointment base

[Testa]

I can't seem to space the numbers out but the first number is the temp and the number next to it is the holding time in min. required.

[RJ*]

dont heat the steroid to 320 C, you will **** it up

[td1111]

Seems outrageous that this product is not available. I'm still using a bottle I bought from gpz canada 2 years ago.

[toynut]

There is definetly a market for it....

[simon85]

Ya, it's "Swedish Prop",
Had to stop pinning quads
(people were laughing at my gimpy walk at work, was also moaning like an old man when sitting down or getting up!!)

Last time i did delt, arm turn red down past my elbow, (no fever or nausea)
Also had a lump (about 1.5 inches from injection site???)

But it does not burn that much going in?

might give researchsupply.net a try (thanx Killburn),
but i would feel better if it was coming from inside canada but if i have no choice, it's worth a shot
so be it..


Same thing happened to me. The prop and mast from the feb 2010 batch is painful. I was limping and swollen for weeks. So I had to cut it with sterile oil and it was good. I tried b-12 and it didn't worked btw. I never experienced this problem with the older batches. Anyway, at least it's working ;-)

[Testa]

Hey guys when you get a painfull batch try heating in the oven at 200f for 10 min without a vent or 30 min. with a pin in the top to vent it. Some times there is undisoved hormone and this will make an injection site very sore. So If you heat it up to dissolve the rest of the horemone this can fix painful gear a lot of the time. It may look clear but there can still be undissolved hormone.

[simon85]

Cool. thanks for the tip buddy!