Ready To Start First Cycle, Any Thoughts/Advice?

[js05il]

Hey guys, I've been doing a lot of reading on this site and others, and have decided to try my first cycle. I'm 23, 5'10", and have been training about 5 years. Naturally I've never been able to get over 195 lbs without looking doughy, and tend to slim down easily without working out or dieting. Anyways, I'd like to put on size, and hopefully break the 200 mark by the end. Here is what I plan to take:

test enth 400-500mg/week for 12 weeks (200-250 twice per week)
deca 400mg/week weeks 1-10
dbol 20-40mg/day weeks 2-5
nolva for PCT 40/40/20/20/20 starting 2 weeks after last test e injection

Is the deca a good idea or should I just stick with test and dbol? And also, should I add clomid for PCT, or is nolvadex enough?

Any comments or advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks a lot.

[gsxr750]

My opinion would be just to run Test alone so you know how you respond to it - since it will likely be the base of every cycle to come. Add Deca to your 2nd cycle, if you get sides you'll know where to look.

I'm personally not a fan of DBOL for it's purpose in 'jump starting' a cycle - and would opt for just patience with Test E on it's own. Save that money for something that will serve you in the long run ( perhaps use it to invest in some VAR to finish off with, to harden up your new gains the Test will give you )

That's just my opinion, there's alot of really smart guys on here that will give you theirs too.

Great to see your expectations are reasonable, i'm sure you'll surpass them.

Good luck, and welcome to the forum!

[tex]

i'd say wait 2 more years...but you are gonna do it anyways sooo....stick to 1-2 compounds for your 1st cycle.....I'm on my 1st cycle right now....400 test e per week .....and a pyramid dose of var (starting @ 30 and working up til I feel its where it should be ) through weeks 4-10.......id save the dbol til week 4 when the test is stable...then you will get the most out of it.........just my .02......good luck.....

[lambchops]

just my input, when i do my first cycle i plan on running test only. 500mg/week 12 weeks, followed by nolva for pct.

[The Terminator]

Hey guys, I've been doing a lot of reading on this site and others, and have decided to try my first cycle. I'm 23, 5'10", and have been training about 5 years. Naturally I've never been able to get over 195 lbs without looking doughy, and tend to slim down easily without working out or dieting. Anyways, I'd like to put on size, and hopefully break the 200 mark by the end. Here is what I plan to take:

test enth 400-500mg/week for 12 weeks (200-250 twice per week)
deca 400mg/week weeks 1-10
dbol 20-40mg/day weeks 2-5
nolva for PCT 40/40/20/20/20 starting 2 weeks after last test e injection

Is the deca a good idea or should I just stick with test and dbol? And also, should I add clomid for PCT, or is nolvadex enough?

Any comments or advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks a lot.

I agree with the other folks, just stick to Test. It's best to learn how you're going to react to one compound, and finish that first cycle having only used one compound.

However, If you had to run 2 compounds, you would not want to use the Deca. Far too suppressive. I would use the dbol, but not start it till the Test has kicked in. Why? Because, what's the use of being able to lift more weight without getting optimal protein sythesis and blood androgen levels with the base of the cycle first?

I would run:

1 - 12 Test E - 500 mg /week (250mg E4D)
5 to 8 Dbol - 20 to 30 mg/day
14 - 17 PCT

That would be optimal. A lot of people use Dbol as a "kickstart" to a cycle before Test has reached optimal levels. It's akin to using Nitrous at idle if in a race, it just doesn't make the best sense. For synergy, wait for the highest blood androgen levels of Test, and then apply dbol. :D

Matt

[Diesel_250]

Stick to the test for your first cycle

1-12 test e 500mgs/wk

PCT nolvadex 40/30/20/10/10

nolvadex will be enough, I personally don't like clomid it gives me bad sides. If you aren't planning on using trib through out your cycle put it in for the last 4 weeks through the PCT and well after you are totally off AAS.

Good luck, keep us posted.

[js05il]

Thanks a lot guys for all the help. I think I will only run test enth, and dbol, with nolvadex for pct. I wanted to keep things simple, and I'm glad the advice you've given me coincides with that.

[bigdaddydrew123]

Thanks a lot guys for all the help. I think I will only run test enth, and dbol, with nolvadex for pct. I wanted to keep things simple, and I'm glad the advice you've given me coincides with that.good decision youll do great with test ,make your diet and training the most important part tho and results will be all theyb can be.i still can get results off test only cycles, so you will off your first

[phatkid77]

as said you are young ( i was younger..maybe why im on HRT?), but yo u would be PLEASANTLY surprised by 250mg week....pleasantly

phats

[spiderman7]

I agree with sticking to test only cycle. My first one was 400 mg test e for 12 weeks.
I say stick with the test and maybe start with test p to get your levels up and then also finish with test p. Thats how I would do it if it was my first.

[gsxr750]

MassNutrition gives some really good advice. If you're not afraid of the ED/EOD pokes I would go with Test-P for your first cycle. Reason being, if you start reacting badly or can't handle the sides - you can get in and OUT of your system fast.

[O-Train]

What is your diet like? That's going to be a lot more important than the compounds you use.

[js05il]

My diet was good natural, I was just not making anymore gains yet eating about 4500-5000 clean cals/day. I have my PTS & NWS certificates from CanFitPro, as well as a 4 year BSc Kinesiology degree, so I've done my homework on nutrition and training, but the formal education about performance enhancing drugs is kind of swept under the rug, or only briefly covered. You would be surprised how ignorant university professors are about a topic that is so prevalent this day in age.

[frenchy]

why wait till wk 2 for dbol.. just start right away.

[KINE]

Do test only you'll love it. If you want to add deca then cut those dosages in half, so 200 test 200-300 deca...dbol is good for making your face look fat.