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leeroy
08-07-2008, 08:50 PM
Incoming texts to cost 15 cents each. Users protest they'll be charged for spam, Rogers promises it won't follow suit
SARAH SCHMIDT, Canwest News Service

Cellphone users are about to be hit with new fees as two of Canada's telecommunications giants plan to bring in a levy on incoming text messages.

Bell Mobility will begin charging customers 15 cents per incoming text message on Aug. 8. Telus Mobility is moving to the same billing practice effective Aug. 24. Until now, their pay-per-use customers who send text messages have been charged a 15-cent fee per message, but it hasn't cost anything to receive them.

The pending new charge has sparked outrage on blogs, with customers saying they can't control who sends them messages, especially when spammers obtain their cell number or retailers send them unsolicited messages.
"This charge is unbelievable. If someone sends me 'spam' on my Bell phone, I have to pay for it? I made the mistake of giving my cellphone number to a car rental agency and now I get spam text messages," a Bell customer ranted on a Canadian technology blog.

"I actually work for Bell and I think this incoming text messages being charged is bogus!" posted another.

Text messaging has ballooned in popularity since inter-carrier service came to Canada in 2002.

In its first year, there were 369,000 text messages sent every day, or 11 million annually. Today, Canadians send 45.4 million per day, according to the Canadian Wireless Telecommunications Association. And cellphone subscribers sent 4.1 billion in the first quarter of this year, close to the annual total of 4.3 billion sent in 2006 and on track to surpass the 10.1 billion sent last year.

Association spokesperson Marc Choma said the phenomenon has moved beyond the teenage crowd - known as the "early adopters" - to parents, who use it as a "family management tool."

Telus Mobility spokesperson AJ Gratton cites this rapid growth as the reason for the new charge.

"The growth in text messages has been nothing short of phenomenal," Gratton said, noting Canadians send more than 45 million text messages per day. "This volume places tremendous demands on our network and we can't afford to provide this service for free anymore."

Characterizing the annual growth in text traffic on Bell's wireless network as "massive," company spokesperson Jason Laszlo said the result has been greater capacity, licensing and support costs.

He said all but one of Bell's North American competitors charge for both incoming and outgoing text messages.

Bell and Telus customers can avoid the charge by switching to Rogers, which says it has no plans to institute a fee to receive a text message. But Bell and Telus both charge penalties if customers break their contracts, at $20 for every month remaining on a broken contract up to $400.

"We just don't charge for it, and have no plans to. Now it's a unique differentiator for Rogers," company spokesperson Elizabeth Hamilton said of the move to charge for incoming messages.

Howard Chui runs an online forum about the mobile phone industry in Canada. He isn't optimistic that consumers are going to win this fight. And he's not sure how long Rogers will hold out.

"I think, overall, customers will just have to take it," he said.

MuSuLPhReAk
08-07-2008, 08:56 PM
I'm happy to be with Rogers.

Mr.Freeze
08-07-2008, 09:42 PM
Roger's all the way:)

MuSuLPhReAk
08-07-2008, 09:53 PM
You know what still ticks me....most of the world has incoming calls free except here. The cell phone companies here are too greedy or we're just to hooked on them to care.

Mr.Freeze
08-07-2008, 09:55 PM
what do you expect you live in Quebec lol

MuSuLPhReAk
08-07-2008, 09:57 PM
It's Canada too :(
When I was in Europe, all cell companies had free incoming.

Mr.Freeze
08-07-2008, 09:58 PM
last time some one over told us that in BC i think, you just pay a monthly fee and everything is included could it be??

Freebsd1977
08-07-2008, 10:07 PM
Anyone ever think that maybe Bell and Telus and Rogers, Fido setup their own spammers and those 5-digit text services are all owned by the big 4. Corrupt to the bone, no wonder the CRTC rejected the US companies from offering their service north of the border, Ted Rogers sits on the board of the CRTC!!!

MuSuLPhReAk
08-07-2008, 10:19 PM
Just fired off a complaint to the CRTC. It's a complaint against not letting in competition and pricing is horrible for what we get. If anyone else wants to join in, please feel free to do so here

http://www.crtc.gc.ca/

IronRobi
08-07-2008, 10:34 PM
Rogers claims they have no plans to do it, but I've yet to see a fee introduced by 1 of the big 3 that isn't soon followed by the other 2. Rogers may be the last to do this, but expect it to come after the dust settles from Bell and Telus doing so. The good news is, anybody with a txt plan will not be affected by these changes. It's only those who do little to no txting that are strictly on a pay per use basis.

BrownDevil
08-07-2008, 11:16 PM
****ing crooks.

bigben
09-07-2008, 10:19 AM
Can you disable incoming text message capability on a Telus phone? The only text messages I get are spam or mistakes.

IronRobi
09-07-2008, 01:30 PM
Can you disable incoming text message capability on a Telus phone? The only text messages I get are spam or mistakes.

i'm sure it will be made available for a 1-time fee. normally $10 or so.

Freebsd1977
09-07-2008, 03:25 PM
Just fired off a complaint to the CRTC. It's a complaint against not letting in competition and pricing is horrible for what we get. If anyone else wants to join in, please feel free to do so here

http://www.crtc.gc.ca/

Won't help, the CRTC is corrupt man. They're the idiots that kill competition in Canada in the first place.

leeroy
09-07-2008, 03:27 PM
crtc sucks ass

leeroy
09-07-2008, 04:53 PM
Take a look at KOODO
www.koodomobile.com

Decent rates and you don't have to give the CRTC that $6.95 every month!!

KLM
09-07-2008, 05:21 PM
****ing crooks.

Yep.

Why the hell should we have to pay for spam? That is seriously ****ed up.

IronRobi
09-07-2008, 11:22 PM
Take a look at KOODO
www.koodomobile.com

Decent rates and you don't have to give the CRTC that $6.95 every month!!

the access fee doesn't go to the crtc at all, and don't listen to anybody who tells you that. It goes as pure profit to the company to be put into tower maintenance and upkeep etc...

dainbramaged
10-07-2008, 09:37 AM
"The growth in text messages has been nothing short of phenomenal," Gratton said, noting Canadians send more than 45 million text messages per day. "This volume places tremendous demands on our network and we can't afford to provide this service for free anymore."

Characterizing the annual growth in text traffic on Bell's wireless network as "massive," company spokesperson Jason Laszlo said the result has been greater capacity, licensing and support costs.

They probably realized they weren't collecting their $$$ for all the extra minutes of day time cellphone usage, night-time, and/or weekend since sending a text is SO MUCH FASTER OVER THE LINES than talking to someone is. Gotta make the shareholders happy by gouging the customers somehow...

The Terminator
11-07-2008, 01:21 AM
Take a look at KOODO
www.koodomobile.com

Decent rates and you don't have to give the CRTC that $6.95 every month!!

You mean Telus, right? ;) It's Telus's teen/young adult marketing ploy with a name. So that $6.95 still goes to the CRTC, you just don't see it as it's included in your "package". ;)

Matt

Gettin'r'round
11-07-2008, 02:41 PM
The CRTC get's it's funding from Ottawa. All the fees the carriers charge go into their pockets!

Freebsd1977
11-07-2008, 03:42 PM
$6.95/month, another tax we suckers have too pay.

MuSuLPhReAk
16-07-2008, 03:44 PM
****, they answered me. Here is their answer.


Thank you for taking the time to contact the CRTC. The provision of cellular services, in Canada or anywhere in the world, requires the use of specific wireless frequencies commonly referred to as Spectrum. The Spectrum for use by Wireless Service Providers is a limited national resource, and as such, when cellular Spectrum does become available, it is auctioned by Industry Canada to the highest bidder. Canadian and International Wireless companies are free to bid for the Spectrum in line with the foreign ownership rules set in Law under the Telecommunication Act. The CRTC does not play any role in the Spectrum Auction and does not stop cellular companies from operating in Canada. Industry Canada is currently in the process of completing a Spectrum auction as described above, and has in fact set aside some spectrum for new entrants with the intention of achieving lower prices, better services and more choice for consumers and business, as referred by the Industry Canada Minister in their website below.

http://www.ic.gc.ca/cmb/welcomeic.nsf/261ce500dfcd7259852564820068dc6d/85256a5d006b972085257456004d567b!OpenDocument

Regards, Nancy GauthierClient Services 1-877-249-2782 / télécopieur/facsimile (819) 994-0218 Conseil de la radiodiffusion et des télécommunications canadiennes / Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0N2Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission / Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0N2Gouvernement du Canada / Government of Canada

tephlon
17-07-2008, 06:36 PM
the 15 cents for incoming texts is for pay-as-you-go customers...

IronRobi
19-07-2008, 11:16 AM
the 15 cents for incoming texts is for pay-as-you-go customers...

And regular post paid customers as well