Is CSIS Mining Communications Data?

[cog]

You may have heard that the American NSA is mining all electronic communications data.I really want to know if Canada is doing the same.Andre might know but he can't tell.I can't see Canadians voting Harper back in if he's involved.

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Was reading about it last night. Pretty advanced stuff when they can data mine at the level they are doing it.

Read more about PRISM here
http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-intelligence-mining-data-from-nine-us-internet-companies-in-broad-secret-program/2013/06/06/3a0c0da8-cebf-11e2-8845-d970ccb04497_story.html

Note it's 4 pages long so don't forget to click on the links. Note also that the title of the article is SECRET PROGRAM. If CSIS does it or doing it, they would try to keep it a secret too in
my opinion.

To note in that article
"The NSA prides itself on stealing secrets and breaking codes, and it is accustomed to corporate partnerships that help it divert data traffic or sidestep barriers."

Equally unusual is the way the NSA extracts what it wants, according to the document: “Collection directly from the servers of these U.S. Service Providers: Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, Facebook, PalTalk, AOL, Skype, YouTube, Apple.”

[cog]

Certainly shows why the U.S wants to retain control of the net,never mind the editing of history and removing unsavory facts as they come to light.If Harper is involved he's in trouble.

[natenator]

Harper the corrupt and incompetent is in trouble anyway

[cog]

Harper the corrupt and incompetent is in trouble anyway

Yes he is in trouble,I'm right upset with this boy,not voting for a dictator.Iggy would have been the same crap though.

[Durk]

Do you think Justin, or the Imagination land party (NDP) would be any better?

[cog]

Do you think Justin, or the Imagination land party (NDP) would be any better?

Due to his youth,I would certainly hope he is different.In fact I'm sure he is much different just looking at the people around him.Harper is a complete and total control freak,thanks but no thanks.This is just the beginning.

[tiramisu]

The technology is in place and providers are required to be able to provide information on demand but there's no rumour of the canadian government actively hoovering up all the transaction records and deep scanning the packets. In quite a few instances with the data being routed through the U.S. it's quite possible that the NSA could provide CSIS with Canadian data through sharing of intelligence agreements without breaking any laws on spying on it's own citizens. After all facebook, google, etc and much of the packets route through US networks and servers.

[MuSuLPhReAk]

A story about this referring directly to Canada.
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/06/08/nsa-spying-canada_n_3408662.html

[tiramisu]

I believe the "sharing" of data between us, canada, uk, australia and new zealand falls under the Echelon program... Five Eyes

[cog]

Remember when we thought Russians and East Germans had it bad.These tools can be turned against any person or group that opposes the party line.

[Durk]

Kinda like that whole IRS tea party thing.

[cog]

Kinda like that whole IRS tea party thing.


Except that everybody has to submit tax info,certainly partisan though.We had the same sort of scenario here in Calgary after Harper first got in here,directed by the mainly liberal civil service,they actually asked us how we voted!

[tiramisu]

Signal to Noise ratio on this kind of wide band data storage has to be insane. Using it after the fact as evidence seems pretty easy but using it as actionable intelligence is close to miraculous. Real bad guys will use proxies and encryption leaving the stupid and the honest as data sources. Business intelligence seems like an important item for organizations like the CIA that are really more about global financial and political movements than they are about things like crime. The kind of data that supports financial/political movement is going to be found on government/banking/fortune 500 networks. The fringe/minor criminal element seems almost irrelevant to the kind of espionage that these guys are interested in.

Water boarding seems a lot more effective.

[cog]

My understanding is that proxies and encryption can be beat,but maybe not in real time.For selected interests,these tools the gov has could be effective dealing with people suddenly deemed to be undesirable or breaking new laws or interpretations of them.

[cog]

Globe and Mail reports that Defence Minister McKay renewed metadata surveillance Nov 21,2011.

[warlock]

The is not such a thing as internet privacy