Oral Helios?

[simon85]

Anyone ever tried it? I'm cutting right now. Test/tren/mast/t3. My diet is from Dave Palumbo(keto style). I'm looking for an extra boost.

Helios or simply clen?

What's a normal dosage for helios?

Mine contains:

Yohimbine 5mg
Nicotine 1mg
Caffeine 100mg,
Albuterol 5mg

[Kilburn]

do you smoke? because after you run that sht you might start.

[Xplode]

do you smoke? because after you run that sht you might start.

I was wondering about that...I smoked for almost 10 years and quit a few years back. Would 1 mg of nicotine be enough to get you addicted? Quitting cigs was a mother****er and I would hate to see anyone get addicted to any type of nicotine.

[Musclehead]

I don't think he'd get addicted to smoking since he's taking it in a completely different way.

Anyways, if you need energy asside from using EFA's, BCAA's and ECA...you'll probably just have to suck it up really....ECA was the only thing that helped me, and even then when you get used to them you don't get the same energy rush...although that does not mean they aren't effective at burning fat either.

[simon85]

I'm taking 50mcg of cytomel in the morning. I was wondering if I should up the dosage to 75mcg or continue at 50mcg with adding clen.

I'm suppose to change the supplements and the cardio length before I reduce my cals.

I'm already doing 45min PWO and 60min on non training-days

[Xplode]

I'm taking 50mcg of cytomel in the morning. I was wondering if I should up the dosage to 75mcg or continue at 50mcg with adding clen.

I'm suppose to change the supplements and the cardio length before I reduce my cals.

I'm already doing 45min PWO and 60min on non training-days

If you are going to go hard on the cardio, watch the clen. A lot of people's cardio goes down when on Clenbuterol, mine does. Remember you heart rate and blood pressure are going to be/can be much higher when using clen, so your body is essentially running harder than it normally would be, doing nothing.

I have cycled clen (2 wks on 3 wks off) continuously for about 4 years now and I have to do a shit load of cardio to maintain a lower body weight, but I always notice a difference when on.

I'm probably telling you things you already know...have you used clenbuterol before? and what did you notice if so?

[simon85]

If you are going to go hard on the cardio, watch the clen. A lot of people's cardio goes down when on Clenbuterol, mine does. Remember you heart rate and blood pressure are going to be/can be much higher when using clen, so your body is essentially running harder than it normally would be, doing nothing.

I have cycled clen (2 wks on 3 wks off) continuously for about 4 years now and I have to do a shit load of cardio to maintain a lower body weight, but I always notice a difference when on.

I'm probably telling you things you already know...have you used clenbuterol before? and what did you notice if so?

I'm doing low intensity cardio(130bpm). I can't really go higher because it's not recommended with my diet(very low carbs 25-30g/daily).


I never used clen before. I don't know if it will make a difference or not. I hear stories about insomnia and I don't want to go through this.

Also, some say the ECA stack is better than clen.


Right now, I'm drinking 4-6l of water per day.


my diet:

Meal 1 6 whole Omega-3 eggs

Meal 2 8oz chicken with 60g of walnuts

Meal 3 50g whey isolate with 2 tbsp of PB

Meal 4 8oz of steak with 1 cup asparagus with 1 tablespoon of olive oil

Meal 5 50g whey isolate with 2 tbsp of PB

Meal 6 6 whole Omega-3 eggs


my cycle:

1-8 prop 150mg eod
1-8 tren ace 75mg eod
1-8 mast 100mg eod
1-8 cytomel 50mcg in the morning
1-8 aromasin 25mg eod


Do you think 75mcg of t3 will be too much with the low amount of anabolics I'm running?

[Xplode]

Honestly, I would go with 50 mcg T3 and add the clen as you were thinking. Adding the clen will have much less side effects than running too much T3. If you are worried about insomnia do not take it very late in the day and don't take it before a workout and it shouldn't hurt your cardio too much.

BTW very nice diet...but I wouldn't want to be in a car with you for a very long time with all those eggs and asparagus :)

EDIT: Too late in the day for me is 3 pm and if you workout in the AM and PM I would take the clen after your AM workout. You may have to suffer for the PM workout with the effected cardio :)

[Kilburn]

I don't think he'd get addicted to smoking since he's taking it in a completely different way.

Anyways, if you need energy asside from using EFA's, BCAA's and ECA...you'll probably just have to suck it up really....ECA was the only thing that helped me, and even then when you get used to them you don't get the same energy rush...although that does not mean they aren't effective at burning fat either.

dumb post. chewing tabaco i taken in a different way too. it all still effects you.

[canadianmuscle0803]

the oral helios you speak of is very good.. you could stack both clen and helios as long as you can handle the sides..

p.s. i used to be a smoker so naturally i was worried about getting addicted again while taking helios.. i was fine though.. i think its the actual smoking thats the biggest mind **** addiction..

[physique]

dumb post. chewing tabaco i taken in a different way too. it all still effects you.

you guys need to do some research on nicotine for the purpose of bodybuilding and fatloss.

heres some info for ya, that i have saved.

Most people are aware of the fact that the drug nicotine is found in cigarettes and other tobacco products and is the substance primarily responsible for their addictive nature. But what exactly is nicotine, where does it come from, what are the real effects, and are there any possible uses for the average bodybuilder? We are always looking for novel ways to use existing drugs aside from the intended medical use, a fact which is clearly apparent when considering certain Prescription Only Medicines (POMs).

What is Nicotine?
Nicotine is an organic alkaloid which is found more notably in the tobacco plant in quantities of around 5% of the plant's dry weight. Although a poison in higher quantities, it acts as a pleasure stimulant in lower concentrations. There is approximately 0.8-1.0mg of nicotine in a single cigarette.

What are the effects of use?
It acts as an agonist of the nicotinic acetylcholine receptors, stimulating their activity which leads to increased amount of the hormone adrenaline to be released. As a result, an increase in blood pressure and heart rate is seen, as well as a rise in blood glucose. Chronic use often provides a relaxing effect, though this is in all probability due to the cessation of short term withdrawal effects which include irritability, headaches and anxiety, amongst others. Aside from its effects on adrenaline, nicotine also increases levels of dopamine in the brain, resulting in a feeling of pleasure; a trait that is primarily responsible for the addictive qualities of the drug.

Benefits to the Bodybuilder
As you would expect from a stimulant, particularly in reference to its effect on adrenaline release, nicotine appears to hold some promise for those wishing to reduce bodyfat. There is evidence to suggest that nicotine supplementation of just 1mg per dose could be beneficial in increasing total calorie expenditure, through increases in metabolic rate and thermogenisis (1,2,3,4,5,6). Furthermore, it has been shown that the conjunctional ingestion of 50mg caffeine results in an approximate 100% increase in thermic response over nicotine alone, with no reported side effects. There is also a notion that nicotine may result in reductions in insulin secretion which may lead to an increase in the utilisation of fat, protein and glycogen (7,8,9) together with a reduction in preference for sugary foods.

Also, nicotine clearly acts as an appetite suppressant (10,11,12,13). This fact is proven from many accounts of ex-smokers who find themselves gaining weight (14).

Further noteworthy effects are that nicotine appears to decrease lipolysis, resulting in lower storage of adipose tissue (15). It may also act as a stimulus of Uncoupling Protein 1 (UCP1) in adipose tissue (16,17). As we know, UCP1 acts within the mitochondria making the conversion of adenosine triphosphate (ATP) less efficient, with a resultant generation of heat. The mitochondria therefore need to work much harder to produce the same level of energy (ATP), thus increasing metabolic rate. This same process is seen (albeit to a much greater degree) from the use of the drug 2, 4-Dinitrophenol (DNP) which is used for weight loss.

Looks very promising doesn't it?! If nicotine is indeed benficial for those looking to shed fat, would I advocate that one should starting puffing 20 cigarettes a day? I would hope that everyone would agree that doing so would not be a sensible choice. Nowadays however, there are products available such as nasal sprays, inhalators, chewing gum or tablets that dissolve under the tongue, which are designed to deliver the drug in a much safer, more controlled manner, without the negative consequences associated with tobacco smoke.

For our purpose, the best such product would be chewing gums such as Nicotinell™ and Nicorette™. Nicotine from these products is actually delivered through the mucous membrane lining of the mouth, with the user lodging it between the gum and cheek, chewing only occasionally. Swallowing the nicotine is futile as it is destroyed by the liver. Chewing gums are manufactured in two strengths; 2mg and 4mg, though it is worth pointing out that only about 50% of the stated dose is actually absorbed. This would make the 2mg option ideal given the research with 1mg dosages (1), though it would be more cost effective to use the higher strength gums and splitting over two dosages. It is worth avoiding drinking acidic beverages or coffee immediately prior or during chewing, as this negatively affects potency.

What are the risks of supplementation?
Due to the effects on blood pressure, it would be wise to monitor this closely so that supplementation can be stopped should it rise to abnormal levels. Some users may experience nausea, or even vomiting, something which is also sometimes endured by new smokers. Although not thought to be directly carcinogenic, nicotine does interfere with apoptosis, which is one of the means used by the body to destroy unwanted cells (programmed cell death). Since apoptosis helps remove mutated or damaged cells that may evolve into cancerous tissue, its inhibition by nicotine creates more favourable conditions for cancer to develop once the initial mutations have occurred. Risk of birth defects associated with nicotine appear very small, but would nontheless be worthy of consideration for pregnant females and nursing mothers.

But what about addiction? It's true that chronic smoking can often lead to the addiction of nicotine, so is it possible that dependance may occur from using other sources such as chewing gum? Well the incidences are very slight indeed, with less that 1% of gum users becoming dependant upon it. Addiction appears to depend largely on the speed of absorbtion. Nicotine from smoking reaches the brain within 7 seconds, with maximum blood concentrations of around 22ng/ml reached after only 5 minutes. In comparison, chewing gum will yield a maximum blood concentration of around 7ng/ml, this level being reached 30 minutes after chewing begins.

So is it worth it?
It is clear that this drug holds some promise as an aid to fat loss and may be a worthy addition to the arsenal of products used, though the relative high cost, and perhaps the stigma that is attached to smoking and thus nicotine, means that we're unlikely to see it becoming a feature in legitimate supplement formulations.

[Xplode]

Swallowing the nicotine is futile as it is destroyed by the liver

So what does this mean in regards to nicotine in oral Helios?

[simon85]

Cool guys.

I'll stick to 50mcg of t3.

I will use clen until the end of my cycle with no break. I will use 2mg of ketotifen before sleeping. So that way, I can use it for a long time.

[St]

Just finish some Helios over a week ago and did very good on it,but i still like Clen way more,but that is just me,most of the people that i talked with love Helios.As for t-3 just one cap at 50mcg for a month with a month off.

[simon85]

I just ordered 3gr of yohimbine HCL for 9.99$

Let see if it go through customs...


I will use 25mg of yohimbine with clen and ketotifen

[ergie]

I've taken oral helios before and you absolutely can feel the effects of the Nicotene. I'm with Smart ass Tony though, clen seems to work better but I do find it has more sides.

[gsxr750]

Kind of a thread jack but, what do you guys find works best for killing your interest in food.. ECA, Aboleo, Helios, etc.

[simon85]

Kind of a thread jack but, what do you guys find works best for killing your interest in food.. ECA, Aboleo, Helios, etc.

As for myself, it's diet soda. I'm on keto(25-30g of carbs per day). So when I'm craving for carbs, diet soda always save me.

[gsxr750]

Thanks Simon, also thank you for posting that diet I must say i'm a fan of it.. seems pretty easy to prepare as well. I may try it out myself :)

I was trying to figure out where your workouts fall into that layout.. but I guess your diet doesn't incorporate any PWO simple carbs right?

[simon85]

Thanks Simon, also thank you for posting that diet I must say i'm a fan of it.. seems pretty easy to prepare as well. I may try it out myself :)

I was trying to figure out where your workouts fall into that layout.. but I guess your diet doesn't incorporate any PWO simple carbs right?

No you don't need any if you're dieting. Just try to take one of the shakes with the peanut butter PWO.

Also don't forget, the diet is to preserve muscle mass during the cut, not to build. So that's why there's no simple carbs.

If you're looking to bulk, carbs are important.

You should eat around 50g of proteins, 50g of carbs and 25g of fat in each meals, 8-10 times a day. That's what Dave said. If you're injecting insulin PWO(10iu), you may have more carbs only for this time(100g of carbs).

[simon85]

I just ordered 3gr of yohimbine HCL for 9.99$

Let see if it go through customs...


I will use 25mg of yohimbine with clen and ketotifen

My order went through!

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/8468/photo104copyka9.jpg

I just need to mix it with everclear(95% alcohol) and I'm good to go!

[gsxr750]

Good score.. where'd you order from? PM me I want to give it a try!