Odysseus
11-03-2013, 09:15 PM
Hi, I have a few questions in regards to dealing with extreme hunger during cutting phases...as well as a few other unrelated questions.
First, I would like to say that I finally started a cutting cycle and diet about 6 weeks ago. Every year, I would tell myself that I'd cut down in order to get visible abs, but I just never did because I was always afraid of losing size when going too low on carbs. I was never lazy with cardio but my appetite has always been ridiculous both on and off cycle. In the past 6 weeks or so, there have been things happening in my life that have really brought me down, and the only way I could deal with them mentally was just by focusing on training and diet. I find that torturing myself and depriving myself of bad foods actually made me feel better about my situation. And I'm finally able to somewhat see my abs. This is a first for me.
I am: 5'7'', currently 168 lbs (was 185-190 before with a good deal of fat along with muscle mass).
I lifted naturally from age 14 all the way up to age 23. My first cycle was var by itself at 30mg/day. I made unbelievable gains on that alone. So then I got lazy and thought that it was all about drugs and nothing else. I gave in to my appetite all the time and basically was never lean. This year, however, I'm finally realizing that diet and training are equally important, and drugs are only a small part of it.
My current cycle is: 250 mg of Test cyp and 200mg of Primobolan per week. That's it. I'm seeing better results on this low dose than I ever have back when I used mega doses and just ate crap all year and trained without much intensity.
My diet is as follows:
Meal 1 - 4 whole Omega-3 eggs and 4 additional egg whites
Meal 2 - 5 oz chicken with handful of almonds
Meal 3 - Protein shake - 40 - 45g protein
Meal 4 - Chicken Caesar salad with grilled chicken
Meal 5 - Protein shake - 40 - 45g protein
Meal 6 - Steak or fish (such as salmon) - it is usually fish but some days it will be steak
Taken March 7th:
34283
My questions:
1) Although this is the FIRST time I've stuck to a diet consistently without cheating (almost done with week 7), I'm having an increasingly hard time dealing with carb cravings. Sometimes when people around me eat pizza or something I want, I would literally dig my nails into my legs in order to stop myself from getting some myself. Is there something I can ADD to my diet that I can eat that will keep me full WITHOUT screwing up my diet?
2) I have read some of your comments on how orals supposedly kill your appetite, but I find that this is NOT the case for me. Back when I ran dbol alone or var alone, my appetite was insane. I was eating 5k calories easily and was still hungry all the time. Do you think there might be some other non-drug related reason why my appetite is so off the charts? I'm even crazy hungry when I'm off cycle. I'M EVEN HUNGRY WHEN I GET SICK WITH THE FLU FOR GOD'S SAKE. (Thank god this hasn't happened in a while).
3) How much cardio should I be doing in a day? And should I change it by increasing it as the cycle draws to an end or keep the amount the same all the way up through the end of the cycle? I am planning on finishing by Mid-May or early June. Right now I am doing 30min of fasted cardio in the morning before my first meal.
4) What do you think I should do about the lack of energy I feel from this low carb diet? Should I increase carbs or just use caffeine/stims? I hate stims and I have not been using them. I also heard (I think from you) that they eventually increase cortisol and in turn make it hard to burn fat after a while.
5) Any other additional suggestions to controlling appetite aside from will power? :o
Thanks!
First, I would like to say that I finally started a cutting cycle and diet about 6 weeks ago. Every year, I would tell myself that I'd cut down in order to get visible abs, but I just never did because I was always afraid of losing size when going too low on carbs. I was never lazy with cardio but my appetite has always been ridiculous both on and off cycle. In the past 6 weeks or so, there have been things happening in my life that have really brought me down, and the only way I could deal with them mentally was just by focusing on training and diet. I find that torturing myself and depriving myself of bad foods actually made me feel better about my situation. And I'm finally able to somewhat see my abs. This is a first for me.
I am: 5'7'', currently 168 lbs (was 185-190 before with a good deal of fat along with muscle mass).
I lifted naturally from age 14 all the way up to age 23. My first cycle was var by itself at 30mg/day. I made unbelievable gains on that alone. So then I got lazy and thought that it was all about drugs and nothing else. I gave in to my appetite all the time and basically was never lean. This year, however, I'm finally realizing that diet and training are equally important, and drugs are only a small part of it.
My current cycle is: 250 mg of Test cyp and 200mg of Primobolan per week. That's it. I'm seeing better results on this low dose than I ever have back when I used mega doses and just ate crap all year and trained without much intensity.
My diet is as follows:
Meal 1 - 4 whole Omega-3 eggs and 4 additional egg whites
Meal 2 - 5 oz chicken with handful of almonds
Meal 3 - Protein shake - 40 - 45g protein
Meal 4 - Chicken Caesar salad with grilled chicken
Meal 5 - Protein shake - 40 - 45g protein
Meal 6 - Steak or fish (such as salmon) - it is usually fish but some days it will be steak
Taken March 7th:
34283
My questions:
1) Although this is the FIRST time I've stuck to a diet consistently without cheating (almost done with week 7), I'm having an increasingly hard time dealing with carb cravings. Sometimes when people around me eat pizza or something I want, I would literally dig my nails into my legs in order to stop myself from getting some myself. Is there something I can ADD to my diet that I can eat that will keep me full WITHOUT screwing up my diet?
2) I have read some of your comments on how orals supposedly kill your appetite, but I find that this is NOT the case for me. Back when I ran dbol alone or var alone, my appetite was insane. I was eating 5k calories easily and was still hungry all the time. Do you think there might be some other non-drug related reason why my appetite is so off the charts? I'm even crazy hungry when I'm off cycle. I'M EVEN HUNGRY WHEN I GET SICK WITH THE FLU FOR GOD'S SAKE. (Thank god this hasn't happened in a while).
3) How much cardio should I be doing in a day? And should I change it by increasing it as the cycle draws to an end or keep the amount the same all the way up through the end of the cycle? I am planning on finishing by Mid-May or early June. Right now I am doing 30min of fasted cardio in the morning before my first meal.
4) What do you think I should do about the lack of energy I feel from this low carb diet? Should I increase carbs or just use caffeine/stims? I hate stims and I have not been using them. I also heard (I think from you) that they eventually increase cortisol and in turn make it hard to burn fat after a while.
5) Any other additional suggestions to controlling appetite aside from will power? :o
Thanks!