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Vitamin S
07-12-2012, 05:55 PM
I normally do fasted cardio when i can, but this article has me re-thinking?? what do you say?

For years I had the typical bodybuilding more-is-better frame of mind when it came to using cardio to get in shape. That type of thinking caused me to lose precious muscle size and fullness in the final stages of contest prep. One reason I had to do up to two hours of cardio a day to see results was that I was already doing too much in the off-season in an attempt to neutralize my overindulgence in junk food—just so I could have my cake and eat it too without getting obese

I averaged four to five cardio sessions of 45 minutes a day in the off-season when what I should have been doing all along was eating cleaner. Once I started dieting, my body was already so accustomed to doing a fairly substantial amount of cardio that to see further effects, I had no choice but to do longer, more intense sessions to What did I burn along with the fat? Well, if you said muscle mass, give yourself 10 points. The simple solution turned out to be exercising more self-control and saving the bad stuff for the occasional cheat meal instead of stuffing my piehole every night

Another critical issue regarding cardio and how to make sure it burns fat and not muscle is the empty-stomach debate. For many years we believed that the most effective way to perform cardio for maximum was to do it first thing in the morning on a totally empty stomach. The rationale was that muscle glycogen—what the carbs we eat are converted to in the liver and then stored in the skeletal muscles as—is depleted after an overnight fast, so our bodies would not have that as an option to use for fuel and would turn immediately to bodyfat stores instead. Recent research has challenged that theory, and a growing number of bodybuilders feel that they burn just as much bodyfat doing cardio after a full breakfast that includes carbs.

I stopped doing cardio on a totally empty stomach several years ago, as instinctively I felt it was catabolic, or muscle-wasting. I felt that having a shake—or at the very least some BCAAs—was called for to preserve lean muscle tissue. I came to that conclusion after several contest preps in which I did empty-stomach cardio and ended up losing more size than I should have.

Hany “the Pro Creator” Rambod, who coaches athletes like Jay Cutler and Phil Heath, doesn’t advise his many clients to do cardio on an empty stomach. If they are very large individuals like Jay who don’t lose mass easily, they take some type of anticatabolic supplement that includes a heavy dose of the branched-chain amino acid leucine. If they’re smaller and, as he has observed, at high risk of losing muscle when they diet, he has them eat a proteinonly solid meal first, such as egg whites and lean ground beef or steak

To that I would add, if you’re doing cardio after weights, getting some BCAAs before the cardio rather than waiting until the entire gym session is over to have your shake or meal would be a great idea

I hope some of this can be of use to you as you follow your own path to Cardio should burn away your bodyfat—but not your hard-earned muscle

Praetorian
07-12-2012, 07:43 PM
You will NOT lose muscle doing fasted cardio...as long as it is specific for the type of energy source you are using. ie you dont want to do fasted HIIT cardio if you are on a keto diet. If you are carb cycling than its fine...you will still have plenty of glycogen even after sleeping. Also I wouldnt base anything including cardio on what Jay Cutler or Phil Heath are doing...unless of course you think you have the same genetic potential as them...thats just plain dumb. I have had hundreds of clients do both morning fasted cardio and cardio post training without taking any BCAA's and have zero issues with maintaining muscle.
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Skailes
08-12-2012, 01:37 PM
I fully agree with Praetorian on this. Also when it comes to cardio, nutrition and training no two people are exactly the same so some who have a more catabolic metabolism may need minimal cardio to dial into a show but have a hell of a time putting on muscle and others who have a more anabolic type of metabolism may need quite a bit of cardio as they can put on both muscle and BF rather easily and may have troubles losing BF. There's just so many variables to take into consideration that some one off article that states that fasted AM cardio is bad is not very accurate and the studies that are referred to may or may not use similar body types or other parameters to make this an effective or accurate study for what we do.

One area of concern is that allowing oneself to gain to much BF in the off season will just make the whole fat loss process much harder with a greater chance of losing muscle tissue, and as one does adapt to cardio very easily (look at all the fat aerobic instructors as an example) doing to much in the off season to off set poor eating habits is going to be counter productive in the long run, so sure a little cardio is always good but if you overdo it you'll adapt and good luck getting lean unless you like doing many many hours on a machine.

Oh and never ever look to what the pro's do as an example of what you need for muscle growth or fat loss, as these athlete's have genetics that are far superior to most any of us in the real world, and you also don't know what "supplements" they may be using to expedite fat loss and muscle retention....and no I'm not talking about some ECA stack either......

Vitamin S
10-12-2012, 01:15 AM
thanks to both p, and skailes. makes more sense now.

Praetorian
10-12-2012, 12:43 PM
I fully agree with Praetorian on this. Also when it comes to cardio, nutrition and training no two people are exactly the same so some who have a more catabolic metabolism may need minimal cardio to dial into a show but have a hell of a time putting on muscle and others who have a more anabolic type of metabolism may need quite a bit of cardio as they can put on both muscle and BF rather easily and may have troubles losing BF. There's just so many variables to take into consideration that some one off article that states that fasted AM cardio is bad is not very accurate and the studies that are referred to may or may not use similar body types or other parameters to make this an effective or accurate study for what we do.

One area of concern is that allowing oneself to gain to much BF in the off season will just make the whole fat loss process much harder with a greater chance of losing muscle tissue, and as one does adapt to cardio very easily (look at all the fat aerobic instructors as an example) doing to much in the off season to off set poor eating habits is going to be counter productive in the long run, so sure a little cardio is always good but if you overdo it you'll adapt and good luck getting lean unless you like doing many many hours on a machine.

Oh and never ever look to what the pro's do as an example of what you need for muscle growth or fat loss, as these athlete's have genetics that are far superior to most any of us in the real world, and you also don't know what "supplements" they may be using to expedite fat loss and muscle retention....and no I'm not talking about some ECA stack either......


Damn those pros anyways! ;o)
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Skailes
13-12-2012, 01:45 PM
Damn those pros anyways! ;o)
PYa damned genetic mutants!! They shouldn't be allowed to give nutritional or training advice....LOL!!

GYMBRAT
13-12-2012, 02:31 PM
Damn happy im gifted WHEW

Skailes
15-12-2012, 01:54 PM
Damn happy im gifted WHEW So when you say gifted are you refering to your genetics or that you get to ride the short yellow bus.....I find that most "gifted" people are generally happy though....and yes I'm well aware I'm an asshole...LOL!

GYMBRAT
15-12-2012, 03:14 PM
So when you say gifted are you refering to your genetics or that you get to ride the short yellow bus.....I find that most "gifted" people are generally happy though....and yes I'm well aware I'm an asshole...LOL!

LMFAO, ya dick!!!!! Though I am a generally happy guy :/ hmmm