Natural Contest Testing - What do they test?

[JackedJ]

I did a test/deca cycle from feb - may earlier this year (2012) which would only put 13 months between my last deca cycle and the tested competiton (may 2013). Will I fail a drug test for having taken the deca a year before or are they only doing a testosterone:epitestosterone test? I've heard stories about people testing positive for things as miniscule as dandelion stem extract and being banned from competing for 2 years so I want to err on the side of caution here.

Advice?

[natenator]

So you want us to provide you information with which you can use to your benefit in order to further cheat the system for a little trophy?

You're in the wrong sport man. This is a journey about personal accomplishment and cheating the system kind of contradicts that principal.

[JackedJ]

My intention is to be natural for the show, I want to know if something I did a year before is going to effect the test results.

[natenator]

My intention is to be natural for the show, I want to know if something I did a year before is going to effect the test results.

You are not natural. Additionally, most shows have a length limit on how long you much be clean before you're allowed to compete. Some are upwards of 5 years and yes drugs aren't detectable for that long but again, this is about personal accomplishment. If the federation you are competing in has such time limits, regardless of whether the drugs have cleared or not, you are still cheating.

Why do you find a non-tested show to compete at?

[JackedJ]

I've never met anyone who was competitive in a "natural" show that was actually natural for 5 years. I don't believe this show requires you to be clean for that long, and short of starving myself and reducing myself to an anorexic stickman, there is no way to "reset" my physique. The best you can do is not use anything immediately prior to the competition so at the time of the competition, you are natural.

[natenator]

I've never met anyone who was competitive in a "natural" show that was actually natural for 5 years. I don't believe this show requires you to be clean for that long, and short of starving myself and reducing myself to an anorexic stickman, there is no way to "reset" my physique. The best you can do is not use anything immediately prior to the competition so at the time of the competition, you are natural.

Or man up and compete in a tested show. Or are you afraid of getting embarrassed? Think the only way you can be accomplished is if you beat people who aren't sauced up or potentially never been sauced up, while you, at some point recently, were?

We have a word for people like you...

[JackedJ]

The show I want to compete in, and the show I did 10 day ago are within the same organization and essentially all the same competitors. The criteria for the "tested" show and the untested shows are the same. On paper Mr. Olympia is supposed to be "natural". This is no different, I have no intention and no expectation of competing competitively against "natural" competitors at this show, I know who i'd be competing against, and they aren't even close to natural. I want to do this show so I can qualify for provincials. No one is qualifying and competing at the provincial level against guys who just qualified at an untested show.

[tex]

i like the playful banter between you and nate n all but you answered your own question already....youre only 13 months off the deca so it looks like there is a chance you will pop positive....maybe yes, maybe no....try and see and risk a ban?

[JackedJ]

I won't risk a ban if there is any question, was just looking for confirmation. If that 18 month number sounds right I'll wait til the next non-tested show and go from there.

[natenator]

i like the playful banter between you and nate n all but you answered your own question already....youre only 13 months off the deca so it looks like there is a chance you will pop positive....maybe yes, maybe no....try and see and risk a ban?

I have to be playful around here because, god forbid, we're want to call a spade a spade and let loose a can of whoop ass on those most deserving lol

[natenator]

The show I want to compete in, and the show I did 10 day ago are within the same organization and essentially all the same competitors. The criteria for the "tested" show and the untested shows are the same. On paper Mr. Olympia is supposed to be "natural". This is no different, I have no intention and no expectation of competing competitively against "natural" competitors at this show, I know who i'd be competing against, and they aren't even close to natural. I want to do this show so I can qualify for provincials. No one is qualifying and competing at the provincial level against guys who just qualified at an untested show.

Sounds like a lot of rationalization and justification going on in your head. More proof that you cant simply man up about what you're trying to do: cheat. At least admit it for gods sake. We (not me) might have an ounce of respect for you if you did so.

[ironwill]

I have to be playful around here because, god forbid, we're want to call a spade a spade and let loose a can of whoop ass on those most deserving lol

MEH, the reason we enjoy your posts are because you say it like it is...As do i...Some hate it, some love it...**** em, be yourself i say!!
Work hard, have integrity, if you see bullshit, or a cheater, or a goof, just call them out...
If they do not like it, it is generally the demons in their head, that they know to be true...

I would personally never take credit for being in a tested event, and cheating...I think one would have to be a real loser to walk around and brag about a trophy, one cheated to get...But that is me, im kind of ol school like that..

The good ol daze..

[JackedJ]

Sounds like a lot of rationalization and justification going on in your head. More proof that you cant simply man up about what you're trying to do: cheat. At least admit it for gods sake. We (not me) might have an ounce of respect for you if you did so.

If I honestly believed I was competing in a natural show with men who never used gear. I'm a cheater.

[Delt King]

Success in bodybuilding isn't determined by saucing or not saucing. GENETICS, DIET AND TRAINING are what seperate the champs from the chumps. On a further note, unless you are privy to the hidden lives of your competition then just saying this guy or that guy can't be clean because he looks jacked is an assanine assumption. I've personally coached guys who you'd swear on your mothers grave were juicing if you saw them in the gym but in reality were not.

Anyway the point is...compete as a personal goal to achieve your best. (not the best placing) but your best physique. Whatever the placing is will be up to the judges. And if you're not clean, don't compete with clean guys.

[Andre Gregoire]

So you want us to provide you information with which you can use to your benefit in order to further cheat the system for a little trophy?

You're in the wrong sport man. This is a journey about personal accomplishment and cheating the system kind of contradicts that principal.

I love this man!!!

[TT Eric]

I did the contrary, I'm a natty and competed in non-natty competitions.

You made a choice at a point in your life, you can't undo this. IMO if you really want to be compete with the naturals, wait 5 years to be clean, this is enough time to grow even bigger.

Eric

[IronRobi]

If I honestly believed I was competing in a natural show with men who never used gear. I'm a cheater.

I know many who compete in natural shows who are completely natural. My best friend competes regularly and I will attest that he never has touched a drop of anything. Then there's guys like you who are cycling and try to cheat the system.

You want to compete in the natural shows to qualify for the provincials. Which means you don't think you can get there otherwise. But really, who the hell do you think you'll be up against at the provincial level???? Be a man and leave the natural shows for the naturals. If you pretend to be retarded are you going to enter the special olympics to win a gold medal because you know you can't do it on the big stage?

[Danger]

No one likes a cheater, even if everyone else is cheating; cheating is still cheating... ask Lance Armstrong.

[JackedJ]

I obviously lack a certain level of understanding regarding eticate surrounding tested and untested shows. I will pass on the tested show and keep the bulk going til next year and do the unteste show again. Apologies. I had no intention of entering a natural show and cheating. I thought it was expected that everyone was "on" as long as they could be for these shows. Now I know.

[natenator]

I obviously lack a certain level of understanding regarding eticate surrounding tested and untested shows. I will pass on the tested show and keep the bulk going til next year and do the unteste show again. Apologies. I had no intention of entering a natural show and cheating. I thought it was expected that everyone was "on" as long as they could be for these shows. Now I know.

The playing field is never level but it's that way because people choose actions which make uneven in the first place. Kudo's to you for recognizing that participating in a tested show as a non-natural athlete makes you part of the problem. Glad to hear you're reconsidering!

[tex]

love this shit....this is how the board used to be :) a bunch of alphas (some for real some pretend) talking shit and sharing knowledge....

[tex]

I have to be playful around here because, god forbid, we're want to call a spade a spade and let loose a can of whoop ass on those most deserving lol <3

[Skailes]

I've never met anyone who was competitive in a "natural" show that was actually natural for 5 years. I don't believe this show requires you to be clean for that long, and short of starving myself and reducing myself to an anorexic stickman, there is no way to "reset" my physique. The best you can do is not use anything immediately prior to the competition so at the time of the competition, you are natural.Really I was when I turned pro in the WNSO at 210 ripped pounds and then took second in their pro championship. If you're going to compete in a natty show then you need to be clean and if you decide to use then go compete in an untested show.

[Skailes]

Success in bodybuilding isn't determined by saucing or not saucing. GENETICS, DIET AND TRAINING are what seperate the champs from the chumps. On a further note, unless you are privy to the hidden lives of your competition then just saying this guy or that guy can't be clean because he looks jacked is an assanine assumption. I've personally coached guys who you'd swear on your mothers grave were juicing if you saw them in the gym but in reality were not.

Anyway the point is...compete as a personal goal to achieve your best. (not the best placing) but your best physique. Whatever the placing is will be up to the judges. And if you're not clean, don't compete with clean guys.Totally agree on all points.

[Skailes]

The show I want to compete in, and the show I did 10 day ago are within the same organization and essentially all the same competitors. The criteria for the "tested" show and the untested shows are the same. On paper Mr. Olympia is supposed to be "natural". This is no different, I have no intention and no expectation of competing competitively against "natural" competitors at this show, I know who i'd be competing against, and they aren't even close to natural. I want to do this show so I can qualify for provincials. No one is qualifying and competing at the provincial level against guys who just qualified at an untested show.The guys in the Olympia are NOT tested and the one time they were you could see the difference, but if there were a tested Olympia I seriously doubt you'd see Branch, Jay, Phil etc in the show except to maybe guest pose. If you're going to compete as a natty then play by those rules and if not then go compete in an untested show.....

[O-Train]

I agree with everyone...cheaters suck. I'm even seeing ads for UFE and the top guys in that look like they've used in the past. I can understand that guys cheat and compete in tested shows after juicing because I've seen and competed against the type of physiques that enter "natural" shows. What I really don't understand is the use of deca by someone who is expecting to compete in a tested show. I'm a complete AAS novice (correct me if I'm wrong) but isn't deca the absolute last compound you would want to take given this scenario?

[natenator]

love this shit....this is how the board used to be :) a bunch of alphas (some for real some pretend) talking shit and sharing knowledge....

Then the pussification of society happened.

[GYMBRAT]

The guys in the Olympia are NOT tested and the one time they were you could see the difference, but if there were a tested Olympia I seriously doubt you'd see Branch, Jay, Phil etc in the show except to maybe guest pose. If you're going to compete as a natty then play by those rules and if not then go compete in an untested show.....

Well said as always Pat!!!!!

[faller]

Yes they do test at the Olympia, Drug Testing Procedure as taken from the IFBB Handbook...

"Judge: Do you take steroids?
Ronnie: No, they're bad for you.
Judge: Good enough for me."

I wasn't aware that they ever had a tested event,, looks like it was 1990. I'm going to have a look see how much different the contestants look.

[TT Eric]

I wasn't aware that they ever had a tested event,, looks like it was 1990. I'm going to have a look see how much different the contestants look.

Yeah probably 1990. A funny note, that year at the Qc's provincial show in September, they told they were gonna test and nobody seems to gave a F that day, cause all guys that won 1st places in every categories have been tested positive, so they had to move up everyone, so all 2nd places became 1st places, etc... THAT is because they only had budget to test the winners of every categories. LOL

Eric

[Blitz-Test]

I know the answer you seek, however I wouldn't tell you.. It's one thing to claim natural when you're not, but to compete against naturals when you're not is an entirely different thing... This is how steroids get a bad image, if you did steroids don't compete against naturals...