View Full Version : RIP Sergio Oliva
TT Eric
13-11-2012, 09:57 AM
What a sad news this morning. One of the icon of the bbing as past away. One of my favorite or all times.
Kidney failure.
http://www.flexonline.com/general-news/rip-3x-mr-olympia-sergio-oliva
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Eric
massabsamurai
13-11-2012, 10:43 AM
A legend. R.I.P
Hosehead
13-11-2012, 11:14 AM
Along with Serge Nubret he had the best genetics in pro bodybuilding history IMO. Sad.
GYMBRAT
13-11-2012, 11:42 AM
VERY SAD R.I.P to one of my heros
First guy really built top to bottom.Larry Scott knew he would never beat him.Really great genetics I agree Hosehead.
He gave some outrageous interviews.
diesel_3
13-11-2012, 07:55 PM
Wow, was just reading about him in Arnold's book.
RIP.
Skailes
14-11-2012, 02:46 PM
A toss up between Sergio and Haney as to who was the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time. Just recently we've lost Serge, Reg Park and now Sergio....I hope there's one hell of a great gym where they went.....RIP Myth!
Hosehead
14-11-2012, 06:50 PM
A toss up between Sergio and Haney as to who was the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time. Just recently we've lost Serge, Reg Park and now Sergio....I hope there's one hell of a great gym where they went.....RIP Myth!
We think alike. Haney and Sergio IMO were the best Mr Olympia winners.
But Haney doesn't really get the respect Sergio did.Anybody remember what Joe Gold insinuated about Haneys face?It would never make print these days.
Hosehead
14-11-2012, 08:35 PM
But Haney doesn't really get the respect Sergio did.Anybody remember what Joe Gold insinuated about Haneys face?It would never make print these days.
What did he say ?
He didn't mention his name directly,but you knew exactly who he was talking about.Joe Gold said something along the lines of a champion should be handsome,and not have a face that resembled "the south side of a mule".I thought that this was a really nasty thing to be printed in a major musclemag.
Did you read any of Sergio's interviews where he mentioned Arnold and "his sawed off sidekick with the golf ball biceps"?Or the one where he talks about Bertil in the bathroom stall busy with something clinking and challenges him to come out?Then he goes on to say that he is certain his penis is bigger than Bertil's.Quite a character.
Hosehead
14-11-2012, 09:06 PM
He didn't mention his name directly,but you knew exactly who he was talking about.Joe Gold said something along the lines of a champion should be handsome,and not have a face that resembled "the south side of a mule".I thought that this was a really nasty thing to be printed in a major musclemag.
Joe Gold is a small Jewish man , he should keep his mouth shut when talking about a big black man. No wonder he didn't mention names. That said, Lee isn't a particularly ugly dude.
Joe Gold is a small Jewish man , he should keep his mouth shut when talking about a big black man. No wonder he didn't mention names. That said, Lee isn't a particularly ugly dude.
.Joe Gold must have had the approval of a buddy...
jack steam
15-11-2012, 02:07 AM
RIP to great icon in the bodybuilding world
Skailes
16-11-2012, 12:58 PM
Guys Joe Gold and Vince Gironda came from a different era and generally said what they thought and felt about a person or a subject and didn't give a rats ass if they hurt someone feelings....Society was different back then and if you didn't like what someone said you confronted them face to face and delt with it....Sure they may have been bullies by today's standards but then people were generally tougher back then with thicker skin and didn't have Facebook, twitter or any social media to hide behind....so Joe might have been an asshole but he was also ready to back up his opinions and statements....
Hosehead
17-11-2012, 03:00 AM
Guys Joe Gold and Vince Gironda came from a different era and generally said what they thought and felt about a person or a subject and didn't give a rats ass if they hurt someone feelings....Society was different back then and if you didn't like what someone said you confronted them face to face and delt with it....Sure they may have been bullies by today's standards but then people were generally tougher back then with thicker skin and didn't have Facebook, twitter or any social media to hide behind....so Joe might have been an asshole but he was also ready to back up his opinions and statements....
While I agree with the gist of what you are saying I think any comment about a guy's face is uncalled for. Pro bodybuilding has nothing to do with the face. I am the least politically correct **** I know but I wouldn't make that comment , regardless of what I thought. Not because of the guy's race , simply because it's outside of the realm that matters. If he had of said " this guy's arms suck " or " this guy has shit legs " the fine. But saying the guy is ugly ?! **** Joe Gold. Like I said , in my politically incorrect manner, he is a small Jewish man who didn't have the balls to name the guy he alluded to as being ugly. Probably because he was 252 lbs and would squash him. That is the epitome of a chickenshit , it has nothing to do with speaking one's mind. If you are going to make a statement then go all the way and name names. I think Joe was an asshole in this instance (and generally a well liked guy 99.9% of the time) but he WAS NOT ready to back up his opinion here because he didn't name names and his argument was mute anyhow. Like I said , **** Joe Goldstein.
dustyrustee
17-11-2012, 08:04 PM
Joe Gold is a small Jewish man , he should keep his mouth shut when talking about a big black man. No wonder he didn't mention names. That said, Lee isn't a particularly ugly dude.
yes hosehead, you are politically incorrect. Your comment reeks of racism. Joe Gold's religion is immaterial. I am trying to figure out what you mean when you refer to him as
a small 'jewish' man. What do you mean? I think a comment of your type would be better suited to 'the storm front' or some other racially biased site rather than here. Surprises me that you didn't use the 'N' word rather than big black man. Why didn't you?
Beyond all that, this thread pertains to honouring the loss of Oliva....you do know that don't you?
Hosehead
17-11-2012, 10:11 PM
yes hosehead, you are politically incorrect. Your comment reeks of racism. Joe Gold's religion is immaterial. I am trying to figure out what you mean when you refer to him as
a small 'jewish' man. What do you mean? I think a comment of your type would be better suited to 'the storm front' or some other racially biased site rather than here. Surprises me that you didn't use the 'N' word rather than big black man. Why didn't you?
Beyond all that, this thread pertains to honouring the loss of Oliva....you do know that don't you?
You couldn't be more wrong. I have black friends and Jewish friends, gay and lesbian friends. I abhor racism, especially organized racism and groups like the KKK and Heritage Front or whatever they call themselves now. It's the lowest form of life and quite frankly utterly ridiculous. I'm just pointing out that when you come from people who have been fighting their whole existence to survive and have been the target of the worst massacre of human life in history you probably shouldn't be pointing out the shortcomings of another group of people who have endured the same fate for no reason other than their race. It is my understanding that Gold's view of Haney's face was racially referenced. I'm surprised and dismayed that he'd do that and pointed out the obvious - that he'd never say that to Lee Haney's face. I would think that a common experience shared bewtween these two people would not necessitate a (possibly) racially motivated comment.
If that's what you got from my post then so be it. I don't know who the **** you are and have never read one of your posts. You have no ****ing clue who I am and if you want to pass judgement then fine. It's the internet and I could give a shit less. But since you called me on it and I do care what other members here think I feel I have explained what I was talking about. I am far from being politically correct but that has nothing to do with racism or predjudice IMO. I call it as a I see it and some people nowadays don't like that. But racist ? No dude, you are talking to the wrong guy.
And FYI Jews are not a race, they are those who follow Judaism. Not bound by race or ethnicity, only bound by Jewish law and faith. I happen to hold the Jewish people in high praise. Anyone who has been surrounded and attacked for as long as they have and have survived and succeeded all the while are tough mother****ers. They always pull through and it has nothing to do with the USA. They can hold their own. And yes, I know what the thread is about . I was one of the first to respond to it as a great loss. Sergio was one of my heroes. Some times threads get sidetracked. It happens.
My fault for getting the thread off track.
Hosehead
18-11-2012, 12:35 AM
My fault for getting the thread off track.
LOL. My fault dude.
dustyrustee
18-11-2012, 01:53 AM
You couldn't be more wrong. I have black friends and Jewish friends, gay and lesbian friends. I abhor racism, especially organized racism and groups like the KKK and Heritage Front or whatever they call themselves now. It's the lowest form of life and quite frankly utterly ridiculous. I'm just pointing out that when you come from people who have been fighting their whole existence to survive and have been the target of the worst massacre of human life in history you probably shouldn't be pointing out the shortcomings of another group of people who have endured the same fate for no reason other than their race. It is my understanding that Gold's view of Haney's face was racially referenced. I'm surprised and dismayed that he'd do that and pointed out the obvious - that he'd never say that to Lee Haney's face. I would think that a common experience shared bewtween these two people would not necessitate a (possibly) racially motivated comment.
If that's what you got from my post then so be it. I don't know who the **** you are and have never read one of your posts. You have no ****ing clue who I am and if you want to pass judgement then fine. It's the internet and I could give a shit less. But since you called me on it and I do care what other members here think I feel I have explained what I was talking about. I am far from being politically correct but that has nothing to do with racism or predjudice IMO. I call it as a I see it and some people nowadays don't like that. But racist ? No dude, you are talking to the wrong guy.
And FYI Jews are not a race, they are those who follow Judaism. Not bound by race or ethnicity, only bound by Jewish law and faith. I happen to hold the Jewish people in high praise. Anyone who has been surrounded and attacked for as long as they have and have survived and succeeded all the while are tough mother****ers. They always pull through and it has nothing to do with the USA. They can hold their own. And yes, I know what the thread is about . I was one of the first to respond to it as a great loss. Sergio was one of my heroes. Some times threads get sidetracked. It happens.
Hosehead; OK by all appearances you now speak from the heart and you have also surprised me with what you have said; your rebutal; these are admirable words; they reflect the truth of the jewish people. If this represents how you feel deep in your heart then you are a good man. Thank you for making yourself clear. I am likely older than you and maybe a fair bit older. Sergio was headline news at a time when I was lifting weights. yeah, he was a remarkable bodybuilder in any generation. A hero for many too. 71 is hardly a ripe old age these days; a shame.
Hosehead
18-11-2012, 12:36 PM
Hosehead; OK by all appearances you now speak from the heart and you have also surprised me with what you have said; your rebutal; these are admirable words; they reflect the truth of the jewish people. If this represents how you feel deep in your heart then you are a good man. Thank you for making yourself clear. I am likely older than you and maybe a fair bit older. Sergio was headline news at a time when I was lifting weights. yeah, he was a remarkable bodybuilder in any generation. A hero for many too. 71 is hardly a ripe old age these days; a shame.
Thank you. At first read my post did look bad. I have been known to be crass if nothing else. I am 43 , dunno if I'm younger than you.
Edit: just saw that were training in 1973/74. Yup , you got me in years :)
Hosehead
18-11-2012, 02:08 PM
http://muscleandbrawn.com/sergio-oliva-training-routine/
Cool.
Supersets.Anybody know why he apparently used to wear a butchers apron during his workouts in the early days?
Hosehead
18-11-2012, 07:04 PM
Supersets.Anybody know why he apparently used to wear a butchers apron during his workouts in the early days?
To wipe off sweaty hands ?
It was leather.Must have been to shield his thighs from resting barbells against his thighs?
TT Eric
19-11-2012, 09:56 AM
Because of Sergio I'm doing reverse chin-ups or reverse pulldowns regularly, I've read supposedly from someone that was training with him for a while that Sergio was using this exercises as a staple to build his wide back and huge arms. Since arms are my weaknesses and his were as big as his head, I decided to do them regularly.
Who hasn't been stuck looking at those pics for (many) minutes amazed by the size of his arms ?
http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/attachments/professional-muscle-forum/18776d1212358624-sergio-oliva-jr-sergiore.jpg
http://tnation.t-nation.com/forum_images/a/7/a7ab7-SergioOliva35.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa229/haggy0927/SergioOliva7-1.jpg
http://www.highintensitybodybuilding.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Sergio-Oliva.jpg
Eric
Awesome forearms as well.
scottlove
19-11-2012, 05:44 PM
Because of Sergio I'm doing reverse chin-ups or reverse pulldowns regularly, I've read supposedly from someone that was training with him for a while that Sergio was using this exercises as a staple to build his wide back and huge arms. Since arms are my weaknesses and his were as big as his head, I decided to do them regularly.
Who hasn't been stuck looking at those pics for (many) minutes amazed by the size of his arms ?
http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/attachments/professional-muscle-forum/18776d1212358624-sergio-oliva-jr-sergiore.jpg
http://tnation.t-nation.com/forum_images/a/7/a7ab7-SergioOliva35.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa229/haggy0927/SergioOliva7-1.jpg
http://www.highintensitybodybuilding.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Sergio-Oliva.jpg
Eric I remember reading that he was the first bodybuilder with 20" arms but I would say they were a hell of alot bigger than that in these photos.
I just noticed how thick his low back really looks.
TT Eric
19-11-2012, 07:19 PM
The 2 first pic I posted were set up in 1971 by Arthur Jones, he got Sergio's arms measured at 20 1/8 cold (5'10'', 233 lbs). Arthur was very strict when measuring, no diagonal, no slack, just straight tight measurement. So you can be sure they were at least 20 1/8, maybe much more if it would have been measured by someone else.
Those picture have been taken after he went through Arthur Jones HIT, he also said you will not find any pictures of Sergio prior to this HIT blitz that show Sergio with arms that are literally larger then his head (height between biceps's peak and bottom of the triceps that is greater then the height of his face from chin to crown).
He also measured his forearms at 15 9/16.
As for comparison with others he also measured :
Ray Mentzer's forearms at 15 9/16 (even with Sergio)
Casey Viator 15 7/16
Arnold 13 15/16
Franco 13 1/4
He measured Arnold's arms in 70 at 19 1/2.
Eric
scottlove
19-11-2012, 07:21 PM
Can't imagine what he would look like on the pharmaceuticals of today.
Sergio said he had tried drugs but that he didn't need them.
The 2 first pic I posted were set up in 1971 by Arthur Jones, he got Sergio's arms measured at 20 1/8 cold (5'10'', 233 lbs). Arthur was very strict when measuring, no diagonal, no slack, just straight tight measurement. So you can be sure they were at least 20 1/8, maybe much more if it would have been measured by someone else.
Those picture have been taken after he went through Arthur Jones HIT, he also said you will not find any pictures of Sergio prior to this HIT blitz that show Sergio with arms that are literally larger then his head (height between biceps's peak and bottom of the triceps that is greater then the height of his face from chin to crown).
He also measured his forearms at 15 9/16.
As for comparison with others he also measured :
Ray Mentzer's forearms at 15 9/16 (even with Sergio)
Casey Viator 15 7/16
Arnold 13 15/16
Franco 13 1/4
He measured Arnold's arms in 70 at 19 1/2.
Eric
There was a Norwegian bb in m&f in the 80's,had the most brutal forearms ever.IIRC,they taped out at 18 1/4 and 18 1/2.He pinched a nerve in his upper back and had to retire.Guy loved whiskey and big cigars.
scottlove
19-11-2012, 08:29 PM
Sergio said he had tried drugs but that he didn't need them. I would love to believe that, not saying I don't, but I would be flabergasted if he built a body like that without drugs.
TT Eric
19-11-2012, 09:42 PM
I would love to believe that, not saying I don't, but I would be flabergasted if he built a body like that without drugs.
According to Arthur Jones again, he was taking steroids, Arthur was not very tolerant for this when he was training someone (like for Casey, he was supposedly natty, if it would have been found on gear he would have kicked him out), except for Sergio, he said he made an exception and tolerated him on drugs.
Eric
Maybe all the old timers purposely understated their usage.
faller
20-11-2012, 01:13 AM
Found this on another board, guys like Arnold, Rick Wayne, Frank Zane, Cory Everson, Mike Katz and even Clarence Bass paying their respects to the Myth..
http://www.ironmanmagazine.com/sergio-oliva-tribute/
Thanks for the link.Where the flack have you been lately?
faller
20-11-2012, 11:18 AM
Thanks for the link.Where the flack have you been lately?
Here and there lol.
Missed me did ya :)
Only IW has really felt like arguing lately.What is ORS security?
Skailes
20-11-2012, 02:55 PM
There was a Norwegian bb in m&f in the 80's,had the most brutal forearms ever.IIRC,they taped out at 18 1/4 and 18 1/2.He pinched a nerve in his upper back and had to retire.Guy loved whiskey and big cigars.I believe you're thinking of Gunnar Rosbo as he had massive forearms as did Lance Dreher and a few others as well from back in the day....
Skailes
20-11-2012, 02:59 PM
The 2 first pic I posted were set up in 1971 by Arthur Jones, he got Sergio's arms measured at 20 1/8 cold (5'10'', 233 lbs). Arthur was very strict when measuring, no diagonal, no slack, just straight tight measurement. So you can be sure they were at least 20 1/8, maybe much more if it would have been measured by someone else.
Those picture have been taken after he went through Arthur Jones HIT, he also said you will not find any pictures of Sergio prior to this HIT blitz that show Sergio with arms that are literally larger then his head (height between biceps's peak and bottom of the triceps that is greater then the height of his face from chin to crown).
He also measured his forearms at 15 9/16.
As for comparison with others he also measured :
Ray Mentzer's forearms at 15 9/16 (even with Sergio)
Casey Viator 15 7/16
Arnold 13 15/16
Franco 13 1/4
He measured Arnold's arms in 70 at 19 1/2.
EricIf Sergio did follow Arthur Jones HIT training it was only for a very short period of time as Sergio used to train for up to 3 hours per workout and did loads of high rep sets. Do not believe everything that Jones said like that stupid Colorado Experiment he did with Casey. If you go onto Casey's web site he explains how the study was conducted and that it was mostly BS.
TT Eric
20-11-2012, 04:10 PM
True he did not train that way for long. And true also 'M. Nautilus' had his way of turning everything to his advantage, nevertheless he was still supposedly very brilliant and intuitive, borderline genius. Many of the training equipment people use today came from his development.
IIRC Sergio said about HIT that it was probably the best method of training he tried, but he did not do it for long cause it was also too hard/demanding, anyway to be done properly. Ellington Darden reported that Sergio was giving so much when doing legs that after the last sets he would just stay on the ground for a very long period like a dead man.
Eric
I believe you're thinking of Gunnar Rosbo as he had massive forearms as did Lance Dreher and a few others as well from back in the day....
Yeah Gunnar.
ironwill
20-11-2012, 04:59 PM
Only IW has really felt like arguing lately.What is ORS security?
Not arguing, just telling you that your fantasy world has many a flaw..When it comes to a mans world and working...
Back to the post at hand....Sergio did drugs...lol...He has talked about it, and claims like every other ol timer, that it was nothing compared to today??But who really knows...
RIP, to a forever legend in this sport...IMO...
faller
20-11-2012, 05:50 PM
Only IW has really felt like arguing lately.What is ORS security?
I've mellowed out with age, lol.
ORS... Hard to explain, basically its a venue for exposing scammers, harbours of scammers and such. The D-reds, harley c, ronus's, big fish's, etc etc etc. Has it been effective?, nope, will it have an impact on the boards?, nope. The sheeple want what they want and the majority of the boards will head down the kiddy road because thats where the money is..
There's a few boards that have stayed the course, this board being one of them. I guess maybe thats why i'm back.. :)
Haven't checked the outlaw board in some time...
Skailes
21-11-2012, 01:45 PM
True he did not train that way for long. And true also 'M. Nautilus' had his way of turning everything to his advantage, nevertheless he was still supposedly very brilliant and intuitive, borderline genius. Many of the training equipment people use today came from his development.
IIRC Sergio said about HIT that it was probably the best method of training he tried, but he did not do it for long cause it was also too hard/demanding, anyway to be done properly. Ellington Darden reported that Sergio was giving so much when doing legs that after the last sets he would just stay on the ground for a very long period like a dead man.
EricOh I'm not saying for one second that Art wasn't a genius 'cause IMO he was and created some of the greatest equipment ever made, but he was also a business man and as such he was very good at marketing and manipulating facts and figures to his benefit...much the same as Joe Weider was with his supplements and training equipment. And both men helped make BBing a household name at a time when it was at best a cult sport.....
TT Eric
21-11-2012, 07:05 PM
Oh I'm not saying for one second that Art wasn't a genius 'cause IMO he was and created some of the greatest equipment ever made, but he was also a business man and as such he was very good at marketing and manipulating facts and figures to his benefit...much the same as Joe Weider was with his supplements and training equipment. And both men helped make BBing a household name at a time when it was at best a cult sport.....
Totally agree!
Eric
I used to like the Nautilus pullover machine.The trap neck machine as well.
TT Eric
21-11-2012, 10:32 PM
Where I was a trainer in the 80s, we had the whole set of real Nautilus machine at the gym, they were so expensive, lots of them would still be of be considered high quality today. IIRC those machines were like in 7-8000$ each, that is 25+years ago.
Eric
Yeah there was a Nautilus gym at 13 ave and 1st sw in Calgary,trainer/manager was skinny as a rail and thought he knew it all.Wasnt busy at all around 80,81 or so.
faller
22-11-2012, 01:03 PM
Back in the early 80's we went on a holiday to Long Beach California, the only gym close to where we were staying had nothing but Nautilus equipment. We had no idea how you were supposed to train on them so we just got on the equipment and started doing our usual 4-5 sets. We couldn't figure out why we were getting these hostile stares, was pretty funny looking back.
TT Eric
25-11-2012, 11:18 AM
LOL yeah, at 1st we were supposed to instruct people to do 1 set on 10-20 machines out of the 20 we had. At that time, I was manager of the weight room and thought it was a sh!tty way to use those machines, first nobody would use them in the real way they were intend to (HIT) and I was not believing that HIT with those machine were really good either (to be efficient IMO HIT had to be done properly in the weight room with compound exercises in a near death experience) so despite the instructions I was only sensing people to use a very limited selected machines and with multiples sets, almost every trainers followed me on this, and lots of machines were barely used at all.
What amazed me is that 25 years later GL still use this principle, 20 machines, 1 set of each with one minute between sets.
Eric
sharkwhistle
10-01-2013, 10:59 PM
Rest in peace iron brother.
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