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Nirus

04-11-2012, 08:11 PM

looking for a little advice on how guys/gals are doing it? I just started this job 3 weeks ago and atm I'm averaging 150 hours a week... and I'm told thats pretty normal, and welcome to the oil industry. wondering how people are getting there workouts in? really considering going at night after I get home but i'm already not getting 8hours of sleep. 6 if i'm lucky. would this be counter productive to go? i have had 3 days off so far and I did 2 a days maken sure I got my whole body in there but I know it's not enough.

GYMBRAT

04-11-2012, 08:18 PM

I used to hit a gym if we were stayin in town every other night/day. Most camps have some sort of weight rooms now days but not back in my days. I used to haul my own lil gym everywhere I went. I always found time after wrk to have my workout b4 supper/breaky.

Its a LONGGGG winter buds, get ready lol I put in 25ish odd yrs ;) but am an Engineer nowa days

3 Days a week will do the trick bro

cog

04-11-2012, 10:25 PM

Get a TRX and check out the YouTube vids.Making it to the gym is not realistic after 12-14 hours of work.Workouts will need to be short,you're going to lose some mass.

Talo

04-11-2012, 10:26 PM

150 hours a week ? that's over 20 hours a day , is that even legal ? If your doing that I wouldn't train , rest would be more important.

I've known guys that will train on the days off and hit it hard when they do so that while away at work they don't need to worry so much about it. Even some body exercises will do while on shift

04-11-2012, 10:57 PM

im guessing 150 hours a week is a massive exaggeration or very poor math. i would just do some calisthetics when you can and try to eat as clean as possible. your motivation now should be making money and avoiding booze and drugs which is what ruins most guys out there. good luck dude.

GYMBRAT

04-11-2012, 11:01 PM

oh and never noticed the 20hr thing lol, rigs are 12 hr shifts. Moving them was 20+ ....well none stop till they were moved basically :/

GYMBRAT

04-11-2012, 11:03 PM

Making it to the gym is not realistic after 12-14 hours of work.Workouts will need to be short,you're going to lose some mass.

Huh?

cog

05-11-2012, 04:58 AM

He doesn't have time to go to the gym.TRX on a door frame.Throw in a few resistance bands and you can get in some kind of workout,better than nothing.

Nirus

05-11-2012, 05:38 AM

I work a service rig for pd and yes company policy is to not put in that many hours but our push says when we work and go home 93.5 rig time hours, 22 shop hours, 36 hours travel. we get paid differently for for travel, shop and rig but I'm still not on my own time for these hours. and not 3 days a week I didn't get any days off my first week got 2 last week and yesturday. 3 days off total. some days I can sleep in vehicle on the way and others I cannot as someone has to stay awake with driver/driller to the lease.

oh and I'm home every-night and my fiance is still helping with lunches so I'm still eating good hitting my macros though I am up to 3 shakes a day

cog

05-11-2012, 08:28 AM

Resistance bands in several sizes.Short short workouts every night.No other way.I work construction,in the summer good workouts only happen on the weekends.A pushup with resistance bands is ok.

steve_d

05-11-2012, 11:52 AM

So in 3 weeks, you've put in 450 hours of paid work hours. Not to be a pessimist, but those kind of work hours to me would simply mean it is impossible to have a hobby, let alone bodybuilding as a hobby! Even if I take away the travel time, you are still physically working over 16 hours a day. The rest should be spent sleeping. So unless you can do chin-ups while travelling, I can't see how you can be working out effectively. I don't really know what a typical day at work looks like, but I can only assume its pretty exhausting. I used to work 8 hours building boats, which was pretty labor intensive. At the time, I biked to work, and back - so add to those 8 hours, 1.5 hours of cycling. At the end of the day there was no way I wanted to be in the gym. I did it anyway, but the workouts were semi-pointless. So, if I had to be working 16 hours, I doubt I could actually workout.

I guess to answer your question, if you're only getting 6 hours of sleep a night, then I can't picture working out being very productive if you have to dip into those hours let along try to workout after working all day.

GYMBRAT

05-11-2012, 04:58 PM

In the Oilfield these hrs are not uncomon. Ilegal ONLY if caught!! THAT my friends is why we make well over 6 figures in less than a year.

OILFIELD = NO LIFE!

Ive lived on 6hrs sleep a night for yrs and yrs and STILL do, any more and I feel like a lazy piece of crap

GYMBRAT

05-11-2012, 05:11 PM

ps: you should get into the drilling side, 12hr shifts and a 14-7 sched

ironwill

05-11-2012, 06:46 PM

Get a TRX and check out the YouTube vids.Making it to the gym is not realistic after 12-14 hours of work.Workouts will need to be short,you're going to lose some mass.

HUH, 12-14 hour days are my norm, no problem still getting in the gym for a quality workout.Did it as a tradesman on tools in construction tough as a job as you can get.., and never had better workouts with my crew...Now i am a manager, so not on tools, but still long ass days and tiring, the gym is where i feel good.......Still gaining mass...:)
20 hours a day, not a chance.....
Are you really working 20 hours per day??

Talo

05-11-2012, 08:51 PM

When i'm on shift I'll do 14-16 with travel , but I can workout at work as we have a cage and lots of weight. IF we didn't I'm sure I would still find time , but maybe only 2 times a week. On my set off there is no issue so I'll put in a bit more days.

Working 20+ I wouldn't even bother, I'd just sleep when I could.

Nirus

06-11-2012, 05:57 AM

atm though it seems like drilling is pretty slow manitoba/sask ( I did apply at alot of companies even in alberta only got a call back from pd), I'm from brandon. and even the work we're doing seems to be alot outside of moosomin area wich is a 2 hour drive each way and 14-16 hour days happen alot add on your 4 hours driving = it hasn't been 150 all three weeks but last week it was and this week is looken the same and even the others have been WAY more then most people work in 2 weeks. and the lack of sleep where i'm worried if it's even beneficial to workout? guna check out the trx, the worst part of this job so far has been the lack of workouts the gym was my thing! lol got my first pday though and I was pretty happy about that lol

cog

06-11-2012, 06:56 AM

HUH, 12-14 hour days are my norm, no problem still getting in the gym for a quality workout.Did it as a tradesman on tools in construction tough as a job as you can get.., and never had better workouts with my crew...Now i am a manager, so not on tools, but still long ass days and tiring, the gym is where i feel good.......Still gaining mass...:)
20 hours a day, not a chance.....
Are you really working 20 hours per day??

I doubt the tools approach prepping concrete IW.Driving wood pegs,installing brackets,raking 40 mm gravel with a concrete rake,rebar..no way.Around 42-43 is when most guys start to slow down.Ive run many a big guy into the ground lol.Finding people is a problem.

ironwill

06-11-2012, 01:43 PM

I doubt the tools approach prepping concrete IW.Driving wood pegs,installing brackets,raking 40 mm gravel with a concrete rake,rebar..no way.Around 42-43 is when most guys start to slow down.Ive run many a big guy into the ground lol.Finding people is a problem.lololol

That is what i did starting out my career, at even more hours per day...No problemo, my position was called labourer,....Thats easy man.....Try following me for a day....lol
BUT, i guarantee you will not work this farm boy into the ground.....LOL, many have tried and said id be crippled at 40 yrs old....I am built to work, german descent....long line of farmers and workers, it was a measure of whom you were, not like being a city boy.......

Im in my 40s now and still getting better...Its in your head bro....Mine is programmed to work and thats how i was raised...Labour work prepping crete was easy compared to being on the farm, where you did all that by building and maintaining your operation, and wrestled cattle, dug out a stuck tractor, harnessed up the horses and head out to the bush to cut a load of wood and skid it out, then had breakfast...No joke...Sometimes that was done before school, then the weekends where when the real work happened, then you got drunk that nite, and the ol man was pounding on the door saying "you wanna dance all nite kid, you can sing all day".
Hittiong the workforce was like a vacation, no joking..

In fact it was always the lazy guys whining that i would be crippled at 40 because there was no way i could work the way i do on the job, then go push weights...
I had a guy tell me the other day i would be fat and crippled by the time i hit 40....lmao, i told him i was well into my 40s, he shit and thought i was in my early 30s, that is common...
So yes i agree 20 hours per day is a lot, to much to do anything in the gym, and not realistic for more than a couple days at a time...
12 -16 hours/day can still have a good workout if calories are there, a PLAN is in place, and the work ethic is there, and one is not a whiner..If you are a whiner, it will not happen...
You either do it or don't, but don't spend time comparing yourselves to others....Because there is always someone better out there..

Danger

06-11-2012, 06:04 PM

12 -16 hours/day can still have a good workout if calories are there, a PLAN is in place, and the work ethic is there, and one is not a whiner..If you are a whiner, it will not happen...
You either do it or don't, but don't spend time comparing yourselves to others....Because there is always someone better out there..

I've tried this, was only workings 12's 7 days a week at the time but man FOOD is probably 10 times more important if your beating your body up with that kinda workday. I found I was literally eating every moment of the day; That I wasent being forced to work and even then I was still hungry as **** all the time.

Trades > Labour, So glad I dont have to deal with that kinda crap anymore. Still long days but better pay and easier work make it alot easier to goto the gym after ;)

cog

06-11-2012, 08:55 PM

lololol

That is what i did starting out my career, at even more hours per day...No problemo, my position was called labourer,....Thats easy man.....Try following me for a day....lol
BUT, i guarantee you will not work this farm boy into the ground.....LOL, many have tried and said id be crippled at 40 yrs old....I am built to work, german descent....long line of farmers and workers, it was a measure of whom you were, not like being a city boy.......

Im in my 40s now and still getting better...Its in your head bro....Mine is programmed to work and thats how i was raised...Labour work prepping crete was easy compared to being on the farm, where you did all that by building and maintaining your operation, and wrestled cattle, dug out a stuck tractor, harnessed up the horses and head out to the bush to cut a load of wood and skid it out, then had breakfast...No joke...Sometimes that was done before school, then the weekends where when the real work happened, then you got drunk that nite, and the ol man was pounding on the door saying "you wanna dance all nite kid, you can sing all day".
Hittiong the workforce was like a vacation, no joking..

In fact it was always the lazy guys whining that i would be crippled at 40 because there was no way i could work the way i do on the job, then go push weights...
I had a guy tell me the other day i would be fat and crippled by the time i hit 40....lmao, i told him i was well into my 40s, he shit and thought i was in my early 30s, that is common...
So yes i agree 20 hours per day is a lot, to much to do anything in the gym, and not realistic for more than a couple days at a time...
12 -16 hours/day can still have a good workout if calories are there, a PLAN is in place, and the work ethic is there, and one is not a whiner..If you are a whiner, it will not happen...
You either do it or don't, but don't spend time comparing yourselves to others....Because there is always someone better out there..
Hahaha.I knew you would take the bait.I know you come from a farm background.So a day that starts at 5,travel,12 hours,travel home,eat,out to the gym doesn't spell 110% workout.The hardest I heard of was the welding Gicantor was doing in vessels,preheating and getting cooked all day.If you can work hard all day as a big guy you're a rarity.

ubcpower

07-11-2012, 12:50 AM

**** I'm glad I got a masters and can make close to 6 figures workings 30 hrs/week with 2.5 months off a year. I'm exhausted reading these posts *yawn......props to u guys

Talo

07-11-2012, 03:32 AM

Just think what you could make if you put in 60 hrs.

Hell I do 84 hours a week and get 6 months off.

zziggzzigg

07-11-2012, 03:50 AM

**** I'm glad I got a masters and can make close to 6 figures workings 30 hrs/week with 2.5 months off a year. I'm exhausted reading these posts *yawn......props to u guys

but it evens out when you add up the tuition and years

ironwill

07-11-2012, 04:14 PM

Hahaha.I knew you would take the bait.I know you come from a farm background.So a day that starts at 5,travel,12 hours,travel home,eat,out to the gym doesn't spell 110% workout.The hardest I heard of was the welding Gicantor was doing in vessels,preheating and getting cooked all day.If you can work hard all day as a big guy you're a rarity.

LOL, no bait taken....I just say stop whining and get it done....Yup:fwave
Man with your thoughts id be a royal freak if i didnt work....

GYMBRAT

07-11-2012, 05:25 PM

LMFAO, same here IDUB!! Like to see someone try wrkn me into the ground NEVER HAPPEN and I can garantee it. I grew up at an early age wrkn my ass off with LONG hrs. Hard work is why I strive in the gym. As I dont wrk hard at wrk anymore ;)

I WISH I coulda grew up with a 5 day a week job and a 8-10hrs a day. Id be in the pro ranks ages ago!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I envy you type guys!

lololol

That is what i did starting out my career, at even more hours per day...No problemo, my position was called labourer,....Thats easy man.....Try following me for a day....lol
BUT, i guarantee you will not work this farm boy into the ground.....LOL, many have tried and said id be crippled at 40 yrs old....I am built to work, german descent....long line of farmers and workers, it was a measure of whom you were, not like being a city boy.......

Im in my 40s now and still getting better...Its in your head bro....Mine is programmed to work and thats how i was raised...Labour work prepping crete was easy compared to being on the farm, where you did all that by building and maintaining your operation, and wrestled cattle, dug out a stuck tractor, harnessed up the horses and head out to the bush to cut a load of wood and skid it out, then had breakfast...No joke...Sometimes that was done before school, then the weekends where when the real work happened, then you got drunk that nite, and the ol man was pounding on the door saying "you wanna dance all nite kid, you can sing all day".
Hittiong the workforce was like a vacation, no joking..

In fact it was always the lazy guys whining that i would be crippled at 40 because there was no way i could work the way i do on the job, then go push weights...
I had a guy tell me the other day i would be fat and crippled by the time i hit 40....lmao, i told him i was well into my 40s, he shit and thought i was in my early 30s, that is common...
So yes i agree 20 hours per day is a lot, to much to do anything in the gym, and not realistic for more than a couple days at a time...
12 -16 hours/day can still have a good workout if calories are there, a PLAN is in place, and the work ethic is there, and one is not a whiner..If you are a whiner, it will not happen...
You either do it or don't, but don't spend time comparing yourselves to others....Because there is always someone better out there..

cog

07-11-2012, 05:48 PM

Wonder what Nirus thinks about this.Maybe you can let him know where to get a red cape.Best gains I ever made in my life came when I was unemployed for a few months in the early 80's.

GYMBRAT

07-11-2012, 05:53 PM

Wonder what Nirus thinks about this.Maybe you can let him know where to get a red cape.Best gains I ever made in my life came when I was unemployed for a few months in the early 80's.

sorry ya lost me at "Nirus" and "Red Cape"

ubcpower

07-11-2012, 06:14 PM

Its about quality of life for me. I'd rather pay a few $ earlier and spend my time studying at the library and dating sorority girls to end up working a job where I don't get dirty , work 830-230 M-F with tons of vacation time and get steady sleep. But to each his own. I'd pussy out one day into this rigging lifestyle

cog

07-11-2012, 07:21 PM

sorry ya lost me at "Nirus" and "Red Cape"

Nirus is the original poster.Superman has a red cape.I seriously doubt you or IW could work the schedule Nirus is right now,getting barely six hours sleep nightly,and feel like working out.He likely eats and crashes out.And there is still the fiancé to keep happy.

zziggzzigg

07-11-2012, 09:34 PM

ubcpower

07-11-2012, 09:46 PM

natenator

07-11-2012, 10:07 PM

Yeah for me luckily, but I had good connections to canada' fastest growing school district and they needed young administrators. I hear what ur saying though, I'm friends with plenty of UBC engineers grads who are 100k in the hole w tuition and have been doing interviews for the last 5 years post grad

So what qualifications as an administrator did you possess prior to acquiring your job? And don't get your Masters because we all knows that's not a qualification lol

ubcpower

07-11-2012, 10:12 PM

4 year Undergrad, 1yr educ diploma, 3yrs teaching contract and 15mnth masters In educ admin .....a lot of useless expensive hoops to jump through but enjoying it now

zziggzzigg

08-11-2012, 03:00 AM

Yeah for me luckily, but I had good connections to canada' fastest growing school district and they needed young administrators. I hear what ur saying though, I'm friends with plenty of UBC engineers grads who are 100k in the hole w tuition and have been doing interviews for the last 5 years post grad

am I reading that right? they have been unemployed for 5 years after graduating? that is depressing

Nirus

08-11-2012, 06:09 AM

natenator

08-11-2012, 06:44 AM

4 year Undergrad, 1yr educ diploma, 3yrs teaching contract and 15mnth masters In educ admin .....a lot of useless expensive hoops to jump through but enjoying it now

so basically just a 3yr teaching gig.

No wonder our school system is as ****ed up as it is

cog

08-11-2012, 07:46 AM

well it usually goes shower, food, fiance, brush my teeth, bed

Sounds realistic.Really short workout with bigger bands is the most you could do.

ubcpower

08-11-2012, 09:33 AM

so basically just a 3yr teaching gig.

No wonder our school system is as ****ed up as it is

In our district there was a log jam of admins in their 50'6 and 60's referred to as the Old Boys...they all are retiring now leaving a huge void so the districts are scrambling. The requirements on paper is 10yrs teaching experience plus the Masters but in certain areas or the feeder schools they have no one to fill the vp and principal jobs. I agree though it is a joke at times, a large inner city high school in our district with 2k kids is actually being run by an ex cop with no classroom experience

ironwill

08-11-2012, 04:40 PM

Nirus is the original poster.Superman has a red cape.I seriously doubt you or IW could work the schedule Nirus is right now,getting barely six hours sleep nightly,and feel like working out.He likely eats and crashes out.And there is still the fiancé to keep happy.

LOl, you are the superhero talking about working guys into the ground, all i am saying is you would cry trying to follow me for a day....Then in the gym, you would cry again....That is all, no biggie...Some of us just do it, some of us dont believe anyone can...
Personally, i do not care...I know GB, and i know he works his butt off, ...
Ive never said i could work anybody into the ground, just said the facts, if you dont believe it, that is not my problem...I am not known to lie, nor exagerrate...I am known for what i do, in the gym, and in my career, and i still have CCs high libido to contend with...
I can send you a paystub , the hours that are on the stub and vids of me at 265 lbs and lean busting out 15 plus reps with 315 on the bench,90 lb dumbell curls with no cheating.. ....LMAO...
No worries, MY motto is do not tell me what you can do, show me...Now i will wait for the whining...

There is a reason my skills are sought after all over the world cog, and it is not because i am a man of no action...Its annoying speaking and turning down so many hi end recruiters....sigh, yawn....lol

PS, i make well into 6 figures a yr, and never had a student loan in my life...CC makes well into 6 figures, and never had a loan in her life...Yes we worked and went to school...crazy concept eh??
BUT, the common denominator is we both came from hard work, and hard working families, there were no such thing as can't, or wimping out...That is life..
CC and i are both under the same roof, big income and lots getting done...
Live in a beutiful place, in one of the nicest lakes in BC, all the toys one could want, trips all over, and i worked my ass for all of it, and its all pd for....So i earned the right to brag, and i am still putting out, and the work and hours are now much easier...Will be working four 10 hour shifts in about a month....boom, get er done!!
Alas, i also realize i could lose it all, if i were to not have my health.....None of it matters, but it sure is fun!!
Dont hate cog, get out there and work man...
BTW, throw up a pic and lets see what your wisdom has provided body wise for you, its about time, you have been on here a long ass time preaching, lets see what you got mr working man!!lol ;^)

ironwill

08-11-2012, 04:45 PM

well it usually goes shower, food, fiance, brush my teeth, bed

You should brush your teeth before fiance...just sayn....lolol..jk nirus

cog

08-11-2012, 06:05 PM

LOl, you are the superhero talking about working guys into the ground, all i am saying is you would cry trying to follow me for a day....Then in the gym, you would cry again....That is all, no biggie...Some of us just do it, some of us dont believe anyone can...
Personally, i do not care...I know GB, and i know he works his butt off, ...
Ive never said i could work anybody into the ground, just said the facts, if you dont believe it, that is not my problem...I am not known to lie, nor exagerrate...I am known for what i do, in the gym, and in my career, and i still have CCs high libido to contend with...
I can send you a paystub , the hours that are on the stub and vids of me at 265 lbs and lean busting out 15 plus reps with 315 on the bench,90 lb dumbell curls with no cheating.. ....LMAO...
No worries, MY motto is do not tell me what you can do, show me...Now i will wait for the whining...

There is a reason my skills are sought after all over the world cog, and it is not because i am a man of no action...Its annoying speaking and turning down so many hi end recruiters....sigh, yawn....lol

PS, i make well into 6 figures a yr, and never had a student loan in my life...CC makes well into 6 figures, and never had a loan in her life...Yes we worked and went to school...crazy concept eh??
BUT, the common denominator is we both came from hard work, and hard working families, there were no such thing as can't, or wimping out...That is life..
CC and i are both under the same roof, big income and lots getting done...
Live in a beutiful place, in one of the nicest lakes in BC, all the toys one could want, trips all over, and i worked my ass for all of it, and its all pd for....So i earned the right to brag, and i am still putting out, and the work and hours are now much easier...Will be working four 10 hour shifts in about a month....boom, get er done!!
Alas, i also realize i could lose it all, if i were to not have my health.....None of it matters, but it sure is fun!!
Dont hate cog, get out there and work man...
BTW, throw up a pic and lets see what your wisdom has provided body wise for you, its about time, you have been on here a long ass time preaching, lets see what you got mr working man!!lol ;^)

Haha.Im not big these days and have never been over 200 in my life and never will.Ive come down 25 pounds in 3 years,about 165 on my 5'7 frame,abs is all I've got.If you worked as hard as you claim you wouldn't be able to get big IW.Anyhoo,thats a lot of bragging about your accomplishments....no children.Try life with some real responsibilities....

natenator

08-11-2012, 06:39 PM

ironwill

08-11-2012, 07:21 PM

Haha.Im not big these days and have never been over 200 in my life and never will.Ive come down 25 pounds in 3 years,about 165 on my 5'7 frame,abs is all I've got.If you worked as hard as you claim you wouldn't be able to get big IW.Anyhoo,thats a lot of bragging about your accomplishments....no children.Try life with some real responsibilities....

Oh yes, and 2 girls, one is 19 yrs old, one is 14...forgot that part...In the process of making another one..Since i feel so good, and look so young, i figured why not, and CC is but a young un...You don't know everything , nor much at all about my life....lol
Well, i guess that you have it all figured out...No-one can get big if they work hard....lololol...Life is really good...
When i start 4-10 hr shifts i should be a masters olympia guy then...
BTW, that wasnt bragging, it was fact stating...If you do it, you can talk about it when asked or challenged...Damn, good thing i didnt tell you about all the trials and tribulations i had to overcome to get here.:lick
Talking will not get you big and buff, that is all i know for sure...Nor will it get you where you want to go in life in general...

Talo

08-11-2012, 07:22 PM

agree with Cog to a point ,but i don't think how busy a person is or how much they work will prevent them from going over 200lb.

ironwill

08-11-2012, 07:25 PM

^^ agree.....Yes i know i look like an ass to some that do not know me, but my point is my point....along with a few examples....lol...

cog

08-11-2012, 07:54 PM

I'm at the right weight for my frame and age.At some point everybody will be smaller.I remember this interview on FHM mag about a dozen years ago.Interviewing three chicks about what kind of guys make the best lovers.First chick says athletes.Second chick says musicians.Third chick says"guys that don't work".Recovery is important....

ironwill

08-11-2012, 08:04 PM

i am just raggin on you coq.....Everyone has different goals, but you should not try and decide who can do what, as one is always surprised at the levels of some folks out there....I get fooled all the damn time...I was an armwrestling champ at one time national level....Made a lot of loot from it at strongman shows etc...The toughest challenges i had were one guy from portage la prairie farm boy, beat me, the only one i ever lost in a competition, he ended up being the world champ of both arms, maybe still is?...farmer/pipefitter, big chubby soft guy...
The second was a skinny little shit that went in an open class, up with us bigger guys, he lost to me, but won against several others, i buggered my arm up for about 3 months afterwards....He was a chiropractor, and did not work out much at all he claimed, but he was a freak...Everyone has different tolerances and body mechanics.. Almost broke my forearm...

GYMBRAT

08-11-2012, 09:31 PM

Ha!!! I agree completely. Its all about the individual. I do MY thing and dont ever look beside me, why? cause I could give 2 shits what others are doing. I just know I give 110% at everything I do. And its paid off through out my life as it did IDUB. Hard work, honesty, commitment WILL get you places. Well good looks too ;) and im gifted in that area as well. Damn i'm a lucky human being :D LOL

Ok whos gotta Coors Light now?

i am just raggin on you coq.....Everyone has different goals, but you should not try and decide who can do what, as one is always surprised at the levels of some folks out there....I get fooled all the damn time...I was an armwrestling champ at one time national level....Made a lot of loot from it at strongman shows etc...The toughest challenges i had were one guy from portage la prairie farm boy, beat me, the only one i ever lost in a competition, he ended up being the world champ of both arms, maybe still is?...farmer/pipefitter, big chubby soft guy...
The second was a skinny little shit that went in an open class, up with us bigger guys, he lost to me, but won against several others, i buggered my arm up for about 3 months afterwards....He was a chiropractor, and did not work out much at all he claimed, but he was a freak...Everyone has different tolerances and body mechanics.. Almost broke my forearm...