Cycle Advice

[Diesel_250]

My next cycle is gonna be 500-750mgs/wk of sustanon250 (cyctaho's) I have 40 amps so it will either be 20 weeks at 500mgs or 12 weeks at 750mg. How should I lay out my PCT? My last cycle I used a taper method that was outlined on another board. I had pretty decent results with it, I did feel a bit of a crash and days where I was a bit more irritable/emotional. Any advice will be appreciated.

Oh and I always have nolva on hand, I am a little proned to gyno and throw in 20-30mgs of nolva after about week 3 or 4.

[thelittleguy]

you should never taper. your natural test is supressed while your on. all tapering accomplishes is lowering your test dose. stick to a proper pct. whether it involve nolva, chlomid, adex or hcg etc.

[DirtyWhiteBoy]

My next cycle is gonna be 500-750mgs/wk of sustanon250 (cyctaho's) I have 40 amps so it will either be 20 weeks at 500mgs or 12 weeks at 750mg. How should I lay out my PCT? My last cycle I used a taper method that was outlined on another board. I had pretty decent results with it, I did feel a bit of a crash and days where I was a bit more irritable/emotional. Any advice will be appreciated.

Oh and I always have nolva on hand, I am a little proned to gyno and throw in 20-30mgs of nolva after about week 3 or 4.I tried three amps of karachi's a week , the EOD as they recommend, too much for me gave me slight gyno in my left nip, Id be carefull two amps a week should be good enough

[St]

I grow better off a moderate dose of 500mg of sus for 20weeks back in 1998,then 12weeks of 750 oman's for 12 week back in 1997 as it gave me bad gyno,and pimples,with a lower dose it had less sides effects.So i would go with 500mg a week for 20 weeks.BTW i did 750mg of sus and it gave me bad gyno,but at 500mg a week it took long before i got gyno.So 20mg a day for nolva's is fine.

[The Terminator]

I tried three amps of karachi's a week , the EOD as they recommend, too much for me gave me slight gyno in my left nip, Id be carefull two amps a week should be good enough


This isn't an issue with the Sust or EOD shots, but an issue with too much Testosterone aromatizing into estrogen.

You could still do EOD shots, but less total mg's. Or, you could always prevent the aromatization with and Aromatase Inhibitor like Arimidex. Or (again :D ) you could just block the estrogen receptors in the breast tissue with Nolvadex.

So many options, but they're more due to aromatase activiy than EOD injections. ;)

Matt

[The Terminator]

My next cycle is gonna be 500-750mgs/wk of sustanon250 (cyctaho's) I have 40 amps so it will either be 20 weeks at 500mgs or 12 weeks at 750mg. How should I lay out my PCT? My last cycle I used a taper method that was outlined on another board. I had pretty decent results with it, I did feel a bit of a crash and days where I was a bit more irritable/emotional. Any advice will be appreciated.

Oh and I always have nolva on hand, I am a little proned to gyno and throw in 20-30mgs of nolva after about week 3 or 4.

EOD injections will keep you level. It's the rising and falling of blood androgen levels that will cause the irritability and such.

Just because an amp has 250mg/mL in it, and there's one mL there (give or take) doesn't mean that you have to inject all of it. In fact, for you, 200mg (or .8mL) EOD might be the better of the two choices. This would give you about 700mg/week.

And tapering is an old school idea that is far outdated. It's about as outdated as the Deca/Dbol stack of old.

Matt

[Diesel_250]

thanks for the imput boys. with PCT would I wait about 2 weeks after my last shot and start nolvadex 40/30/20/10/10? I am proned to some gyno sides so I will be using 20-30mgs of nolvadex for most of the cycle.

[The Terminator]

40/30/20/20 will be fine for your PCT. PCT would be about 18 to 21 days after last shot due to the decanoate ester in the Sust.

Matt

[DirtyWhiteBoy]

This isn't an issue with the Sust or EOD shots, but an issue with too much Testosterone aromatizing into estrogen.

You could still do EOD shots, but less total mg's. Or, you could always prevent the aromatization with and Aromatase Inhibitor like Arimidex. Or (again :D ) you could just block the estrogen receptors in the breast tissue with Nolvadex.

So many options, but they're more due to aromatase activiy than EOD injections. ;)

MattSure you can just block it, or run ari and prevent the conversion, but if aromatization is happening there is too much test, why not use less of it seeing as your body cant use it as is? I dont see the logic in using more test than your body can use only to block the effect of too much, just seems like a waste of money to me
750 of sust a week is alot, period. Not only did that dose cause me slight gyno but I was too jakked up, felt kinda cool till the gyno appeared and something like lifting a pencil off a table caused me to sweat like I just finished a set of heavy squats although I have never felt that strong or had rock hard pumps as I did at that dose. I had a semi-pro tell me once a few years back "at a gram a week the magic starts" but i personally couldnt handle that much, I would have had a "rack" by the time the cycle was finished.

[Blitz-Test]

Sustanon because of the short esters in my honest opinion should be shot eod, I would do the 750mg/week over the 20 week cycle only because testosterone gains will level after while and their is no need to be shut down for 20 weeks on such a basic cycle...

Sustanon250: 215mg/eod 1-12

Nolva: 40/40/20/20/20eod
Week: 15/16/17/18/19

The typical 2 weeks do not work with sustanon because the long esters will hang around to long

[The Terminator]

Sure you can just block it, or run ari and prevent the conversion, but if aromatization is happening there is too much test, why not use less of it seeing as your body cant use it as is? I dont see the logic in using more test than your body can use only to block the effect of too much, just seems like a waste of money to me
750 of sust a week is alot, period. Not only did that dose cause me slight gyno but I was too jakked up, felt kinda cool till the gyno appeared and something like lifting a pencil off a table caused me to sweat like I just finished a set of heavy squats although I have never felt that strong or had rock hard pumps as I did at that dose. I had a semi-pro tell me once a few years back "at a gram a week the magic starts" but i personally couldnt handle that much, I would have had a "rack" by the time the cycle was finished.

I agree. All you're looking to do is saturate the androgen receptor. However, some people look to overdo it and take too much. It's like any sensor in the body - more is not always better.

My first cycle was the standard 500mg/week Test E. I had no sides other than greatness. I'm 10 weeks out from jumping into my second cycle, which is far more advanced. I'll be running Test E at 600mg/week for 12 weeks, Tren Ace for the first 8 weeks at 200 to 250mg/week, and dbol at 20 to 30 mg/day for the last 6 weeks.

Not advanced dosages, but Tren is not something most people want to jump into right off the bat.

The point? Know your limit. Both genetically, what you can handle for sides and dosages, as well as how t ocontrol them. For some people, 1 gram of Test is the norm. For some, they have no need to go over 500mg/week Test. There really is no right answer except that everyone's physiology is different.

Matt