Help with planning bulking cycle, gyno prone

[Dirk Diggler]

I'm looking for advice on how to properly plan a bulking cycle. I am gyno prone and recently underwent surgery for the removal of the gland (bilateral excision). This will be my third cycle. In the past I have run the following cycles:


*both of these cycles were a long time ago and I do not remember the exact doses I was taking*

Cycle 1

W 1-6 - Milk thistle
W 1-6 - Anadrol - 25mg ED (i kept the dose low to see how my body would react)
W 1-10 -Test E - 250mg E3D

PCT - clomid + nolva

Halfway through my cycle i began getting sensitive nipples and a small pea sized mass under my left side. I began taking nolva which stopped the sensitivity, but didn't remove the mass. The gyno "went away" during my pct

Cycle 2

W 1-10 - Milk thistle
W 1-10 - Tbol -
W 1-15 - Test E - 500 mg/week
W 10-17 - Anavar - 75mg ED

PCT - clomid + nolva

Once again, the sensitivity and gyno mass came back. I jumped on the nolva and ran it throughout my cycle. During my PCT, the gyno once again "went away"

3 months later, after having no signs of gyno...it returned. Basically overnight. This time bigger and more painful than ever (about the size of a quarter on my left side, and half that size on my right). I tried nolva, letro, and clomid and nothing worked. 7 months after that I had the surgery. Obviously part of this was due to the fact that I didn't run an AI...which I know was very stupid.

So now, after over a year of no gear, I'm looking to run a cycle and seeking advice on how to properly plan it so this does not come back. I have really wanted to run Dbol for over a year now... but since my gyno incidents I am hesitant since it is terrible for gyno. A friend of mine had the surgery done and has run gear without AIs since (including dbol) and has had no problems. I have heard that the best way to prevent gyno if you are gyno sensitive is to run adex for 2 weeks prior to cycle. I was thinking about:

W 1-4: adex - .5mg ED
W 4-14 adex - .5mg EOD
W 2-7: dbol - 25mg ED
W 2-12: test e - 500 mg
W 14-18: nolva - 20mg ED
W 14-18: clomid - 50mgED

Do you think dbol is too risky for me? Any thoughts on a better option? Your input is appreciated.

[blp]

could b prolactin issue , caber cabaser .5 twice a week , you b fine

[Praetorian]

Dbol is one of the worst culprits for gyno...stay far away from it. If you want to run a cycle and prevent any gyno issues stick to non aromatizing compounds and if you are going to run test use prop as it aromatizes much less then long esters such as test e or cyp. You could also run .5mg adex every other day to be safe. I dont see this being a prolactin issues as none of the compounds you took or are taking are progestins.

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[blp]

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By good scientific rationale, I am referring to a logical reason(s) for a given occurrence to take place. Fore example, with progesterone, it is known that the male breast contains receptors for progesterone. This is known by testing of subjects who have clinical gynocomastia from causes other than anabolic steroids. Also, progesterone is meant to sensitize the body’s estrogen receptors to estrogen. Everyone knows that anadrol (a potent progestagenic anabolic steroid) can play a key role in the development of gyno. However we now know as fact that drol cannot aromatize due to its chemical structure. It is impervious to the enzyme aromatase which is the only enzyme that can do this job. And yet, drol can still cause gyno, right? Well, not exactly.

The two reasons why drol can influence gyno have already been said, but have not been grouped together. The reasons are:

1. Anadrol has a potent progestagenic affect.

2. Anadrol may sensitize estrogen receptors to estrogen. With respect to drug potency and effectiveness you can either increase the amount of drug available, or increase the sensitivity of the receptor(s). In the case of anadrol, the drug both acts sufficiently to affect progesterone receptors, and acts to sensitize estrogen to its own estrogen receptors.


brologic here , if nolva dont work , caber or prami will

why i dont know,, but gymrat around hav tried n it had worked

and on myself also ,, anw at my point surgery was th solution n end of this complexity

[Praetorian]

Progesterone is only a problem when in an estrogen dominant environment. You may have higher progesterone caused from a variety of reasons but sides wont manifest unless estrogen is introduced. That is why it is more important to control estrogen.
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[Dirk Diggler]

sorry guys new to this so if i post duplicates i appologized. Thanks for the replies. I should also add that I have a bit of transparent discharge coming from my niiples. The surgeon told me that this is because there is still some breast tissue in there and that it is impossible to remove all of it. He said it should go away within a few months (there is already less then there was immediately after my surgery). I also had my prolactin levels checked before my surgery and everything was ok.

[blp]

whatver i did in past praetorian will give me gyno , everything , even clen n gh haha

specially rebound estrogen,,, even a year after ,, go off was impossible to handle ,,

i had surgery on th worst side , n with low caber n anti e then no more problem with any compounds ,, not long ago i had no knowledge of this

for dirk i think it doable to take all out , it sound like a bad surgeon ,,

[Praetorian]

True if the surgeon didn't take out the entire gland it can come back...i'v known guys who had to go in twice and get it cleaned up.

Never heard of gyno being cause by clen or gh...but you are unique BLP.

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[Dirk Diggler]

What do you guys suggest for an anti e? Do you think 2 weeks of adex before cycle is a good idea? I also have a friend who runs letro all cycle. What would you suggest instead of dbol for gaining size? Everything for bulking aromatizes...

[blp]

True if the surgeon didn't take out the entire gland it can come back...i'v known guys who had to go in twice and get it cleaned up.

Never heard of gyno being cause by clen or gh...but you are unique BLP.

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about everything induce prolaction , gh , peptides , ghrp ,, i was just kidding ,, but by th book if your prone to gyno ,,, you can't win ,, it seem genetically cradle

[Praetorian]

Young guys like Dbol because they put on size quickly however most is water retention from the aromatization. Once they finish and go off they lose most of what they gained. Dbol can also kill appetite which is not good when trying to gain. I would suggest test + an anabolic such as EQ which would give great gains and minimal sides.
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