hcg use

[scottlove]

Hey Praetorian, you seem like one of the guys to ask on this site, I've been using Test for about 9 months now, (very low dosage) and was starting to experience some shrinkage in the ballsack area. I've got some HCG but am wondering about the proper amounts and how frequently to inject. I'd appreciate any direction you can give me. Thanks.

[Praetorian]

Have you stopped using the test? Why a very low dosage?
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[scottlove]

No, I haven't come off because I'm still seeing consistent gains. I only use 2cc of Enathate 250/week and have got myself into the 285 lb range still with my abs and quite vascular. I've kept the dosage low because I just wanted a little extra kick. I've toyed with the idea of throwing some extra's in, have a real good connection for Gh, but don't want to get hooked on something that's going to cost me big money. I've got 2 good friends who have won Mr. Canada and they think I'd go well over 300lbs. with the "right program", but I'm honestly happy with where I'm headed with what i've been doing. Maybe when I stop seeing gains I'll throw something in or up the dosage. I'd like to stay on the Test while I use the HCG, is there a difference in how I administer it?

[Praetorian]

So 500mg test weekly...is that correct? If you are making decent gains on that then there is no reason to up the dosage. Also for the sake of health and longevity I would suggest running 16 week cycles maximum and then running proper PCT and an off period before hitting aas again. Taking hcg now while on will not improve things as you are already in a negative feedback loop...and your endogenous test is shut down. Being that you have been on for awhile why not take a break run HCG and clomid and aromasin or arimidex and clean out...then hit it again and your gains will be that much better.
Wait two weeks after your last shot of test and start HCG 2000iu every third day for a total of five shots(10,000iu) concurrently run clomid at 50mg twice daily 12 hours apart and aromasin(12.5mg) or arimidex(.5mg) every other day. One the HCG is finished continue the clomid for two more weeks then wait two weeks and get blood work done.
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[scottlove]

o.k. that's great. Yes, 500mg. test/week is what I've been running but at 47 years old I feel like it's just putting me back at a decent level of test in my body to make me feel and look much better than my age would suggest. Thanks for your help P.

[Praetorian]

You could bump the dosage to 750mg weekly without issue. I am 44 so i know what you mean.
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[scottlove]

It's nice to not feel your age, ain't it? My wife is only 31 so any bit of extra testosterone I can add keeps her a little bit happier.

[RagingRandy]

It's nice to not feel your age, ain't it? My wife is only 31 so any bit of extra testosterone I can add keeps her a little bit happier.
My wife is 20 years youger than me. I know what you mean.:)

[Praetorian]

Mine is 35....agreed :o)
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[TT Eric]

42 vs 38 years here, been mary for near 18 years, still in love, as a natty I try to keep up so far! Hehe.

Eric

[Repmeister]

Hi Prae
I thought the standard protocol was to start the HCG immediately after the last shot (next day) and run for about 14 days and then start PCT?? The idea being that the HCG is suppressive and waiting two weeks and doing it with Clomid/Nolva is slowing down recovery. The Testes are supposed to be full before starting PCT. Has there been a change to the recommended protocol? If so, how does the new protocol work? I am coming off a VERY long cycle (about 10 months) and want to get this clarified. Thanks for any input. My plan was to run 2500 iu HCG every other day during the two weeks between the last shot and start of PCT. I don't have arimidex so I was going to run 20 mg Nolva per day split dosage while running the HCG. Then run a base of Clomid 100/100/50/50 for four weeks for PCT (after HCG) and add in 40/40/20/20 of Nolva during that same time period. I know some say that Nolva and Clomid is not necessary but I have read various articles and texts that say they work slightly differently and work well synergistically.

I would really appreciate your comments and clarification.

Thanks

[Praetorian]

You want to wait two weeks after your last shot of test if it is a long ester test...or taper it down for a few weeks. This is due to the extended half life of a long ester. Even after two weeks you will still have plenty of test in your system and you arent going to crash but it will be reduced enough to reduce the negative feedback loop by the HPTA. If you start HCG immediately after your last shot your blood levels of test will be very high and wont drop for at least two weeks....thus a strong negative feedback loop is created and when you take HCG to tell the testes to kick in the negative feedback loop is telling them to shut down. This is counterproductive to recovery.

Once you start the HCG you can use nolvadex instead of an AI but you cant stop it and youll have to run it after the HCG for 3-4 weeks. Nolvadex is a SERM and doesnt stop the conversion of test to estrogen and thus you may have plenty of free estrogen floating around. The nolvadex will block the estrogen from attaching to the receptors but if you stop it and allow the estrogen to attach it could prevent recovery.
Once finished the HCG continue the nolvadex at 20mg daily and run the clomid at 50mg twice daily for 3-4 weeks. It does appear that running both clomid and nolvadex after HCG does tend to work better then either one on their own.

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[dngerfield]

prae, at approximately what dosage can someone over forty usually run testosterone at a safe level yr round (250mg/wk max perhaps) and still see solid gains but not risk their long-term health?

[Praetorian]

A TRT dosage would be the safest to run year round. That would be anywhere from 150-200mg every week to 10 days. 250mg weekly would probably be safe year round...you may have to deal with some estrogen issues but it depends on the individual.
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[Sean Summers]

Common HRT is 100mg of Cyp 1 x week. Puts me dead center of range.

[GYMBRAT]

250mgs a week for me, and im happy

[Praetorian]

Hormones are tricky...some feel great at 100mg weekly some will see symptoms of low test....its very individualistic. Endocrinologists however love to go by absolute numbers which IMO and many others much more qualified than myself think is too simplistic.
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[dngerfield]

Hormones are tricky...some feel great at 100mg weekly some will see symptoms of low test....its very individualistic. Endocrinologists however love to go by absolute numbers which IMO and many others much more qualified than myself think is too simplistic.
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i am one of those people you speak of with symptoms of low test.....i was on 100mg a week with still low test levels and endo bumped me up to 150 and i don't feel that much better....i can see he's hesitant whenever he bumps me up...it's taken him 2yrs to get me to 150mg and i don't think we're done just yet.