first cycle

[swole44]

hey buds. current stats are 6'3'' 215 lbs. training for over a year natty. diet is down patt. stick to it, only one cheat a week. im going to do this starting in august:

400mg Test E 1-12
novla 40/30/20/20

ive had slight gyno my whole life so im going to run some a-dex.

look good?

[BIGPOPPAPUMP]

Looks Good!

[The Terminator]

Looks good for a first cycle, but I would invest more time naturally if I were you. ;)

Also, take a read through this - So You Wanna Be Huge... (http://www.canadabodybuilding.com/forums/showthread.php?p=33583#post33583)

As well, how old are you?

Matt

[swole44]

im 21.

at any point in this cycle will i have libido problems? dont want the girl friend to get pissed off lol

[tex]

^^ training for 1 year.....i'm not here to bust yor balls bro.....but you need more than that before you jump into a cycle......I am 30 and just doing my 1st cycle......i say up your protein and train heavier.......try 5x5 or HIT or DC........then in 2 years think about running some gear........

[The Terminator]

^^ training for 1 year.....i'm not here to bust yor balls bro.....but you need more than that before you jump into a cycle......I am 30 and just doing my 1st cycle......i say up your protein and train heavier.......try 5x5 or HIT or DC........then in 2 years think about running some gear........

x2.

As well, you're at the peak levels of Test right now. If you're not gaining, then you're not eating or training correctly. Not saying that's the truth, but it's possible. Most males peak in test levels in the late teens/early twenties when they're still growing.

I'm 26, just finishing my first cycle. Training for 14 years. A few periods where I was off for a year or two at a time, but I've always come back to my passion. I've been working hard for the last 4.5 years now, and seeing good results. ;)

If you're looking for something to make sure you do not piss a girl off while in bed, Test is Best. It's going to keep the stick off the ice, if you know what I mean. :D

But still, I'd recommend waiting another 4 years till you're 25 or so, when the endocrine system has matured so you do not do any damage to yourself.

Matt

[tarnow]

I agree that you're a little too young, but I'm sure you'll go ahead with it anyway regardless of the advice given here so I'll put in my 2 cents.
Cycle looks almost perfect for a first, except that I would add HCG at 500IU e5d throughout the cycle starting around week 3. Good luck.

[KINE]

21 and training for over a year? Sorry to crumble your cookie but I'v seen this so many times before....guy with little experience goes on gets a bit stronger a bit bigger, but when they come off it disappears so fast and its so obvious. Try some winni tabs if you must.

[The Terminator]

21 and training for over a year? Sorry to crumble your cookie but I'v seen this so many times before....guy with little experience goes on gets a bit stronger a bit bigger, but when they come off it disappears so fast and its so obvious. Try some winni tabs if you must.

Not even. First cycle Test is always a great idea, he should be an AAS virgin and wait. :D At least until he's ready, I doubt he's hit genetic peak yet, especially after a year of training.

Matt

[swole44]

thanks for the input guys. but im set on doing it. im 21 one why not take advantage of the fact that i can still grow like crazy and add a lil test :D. ive done plenty of research. ive gone from 175 to 215 in a year and im still at 11% BF. im still making gains but i wanna go to the dark side

[The Terminator]

That's the point. If you're still making gains then you're going to make gains. Why waste what you have now?

Also muscle maturity (if you read the link that I posted) has a lot to do with your ability to keep the muscle post cycle.

If it were me I'd save the AAS for when it's time since you are still growing, but I'm still going to help, as I'm sure everyone else will, with what you're wanting to do.

Matt

[DirtyWhiteBoy]

That's the point. If you're still making gains then you're going to make gains. Why waste what you have now?

Also muscle maturity (if you read the link that I posted) has a lot to do with your ability to keep the muscle post cycle.

If it were me I'd save the AAS for when it's time since you are still growing, but I'm still going to help, as I'm sure everyone else will, with what you're wanting to do.

MattActually from many years experience I can say that article isnt completely true, although I have seen that many times with many guys, it isnt just newbies that lose alot of their gains, I have seen many older experienced guys lose it quickly too. My experience has taught me that short test only cycle gains can be hard to hold onto and many guys loose the desire to train and eat properly once the cycle ends, this is the real killer, training naturally can be a real drag once you have been on the gear for a while, it can actually "ruin" it for you so enter into it with both eyes wide open. It can and most likely will happen to you too and once there you can never come back to the way it was before the first cycle, just something to think about I think Matt has your best interest at heart. All that being said I have found that the typical cycle is too short and that a longer cycle at a moderate dose will produce gains that stay with you much more than a short cycle that gives large gains in a short period but falls away within a few months, my experience has been the longer I am on cycle the more permanent the gains are, the longer your body is at the larger size the more it accepts that is the size it is supposed to be, but you must be eating accordingly. Remember if you are 210 now and want to get to 250 you must eat for the weight you want to be at, not the weight you are currently at, also I would run the cycle at least a month longer even two months longer while slowly lowering the dose very slightly each week for the last 4 weeks, you want to come off it very slowly not just have it end one day and jump into pct, I have found this to be the most effective way for me anyways to avoid the "crash" that causes one to lose the desire to train clean. My advice is lengthen the cycle with something else other than just test and keep the dosages moderate to low over a longer period of time, that will help give you gains that are better quality and that last.

[frenchy]

cycle looks good, a little test is best to start. Not sure about the hcg though. Your body will take a long time to shut down being your first cycle and it will recover faster once you stop taking test. I keep hcg for long cycles of heavy compounds. The main thing is is to listen to what your body is telling you. Everyone reacts differently to steroids.
If you find that your testicles have all but dissapeared after 6 weeks of test and your sperm is down by half then maybe you go for the hcg. I found on my first test cycle that my testicles went into hyperdrive. Same with my sexdrive, so for me hcg which sends a signal to your testes to produce more sperm would not have been needed. Now if your like some guys and want to take that cycle for lets say 52 weeks then ya eventually hcg will be needed.

[Bigr]

I would run the cycle at least a month longer even two months longer while slowly lowering the dose very slightly each week for the last 4 weeks, you want to come off it very slowly not just have it end one day and jump into pct.

Hey DWB. I read your thoughts above and thought I'd comment. I hope it’s not out of line for me to do so. I realize you're voicing an opinion that works for you, so I mean no offense by my comments.

Based on the research that I've read, it's my understanding that that "step-down" method of discontinuation is not as effective as other PCT protocols...

Although I have seen support for tapering down, the opinions I have read are derived from Armory, et al. (2001) and Masumoto (1990) who described only partial LH suppression at levels of 100mg/wk Test-enth. Many conclude from these studies that tapering down to 100mg will somehow allow reinitiation of HPA functioning without interrupting gains from a cycle. However, it’s important to remember that the subjects in these studies were NOT using any external androgens before the study.

The research I’ve read suggests: (1) Levels of Test typically used on cycle (500mg+) will result in a near-complete shut down of natural test production and, (2) once shut down, the body’s natural production will stay suppressed until presence of external androgens stop. So we need to get those foreign androgens out of the body before starting PCT.

My advice is to run 2-4 weeks of test-prop at the end of your cycle, rather than tapering test-e. Test-p has a much shorter acting ester, so injections will need to be done once every 2 days, but it will also clear your system much faster than Test-e. This allows PCT to start sooner that with Test-e. Furthermore, the 2-4 weeks off test-e during this time will allow levels to drop (taper)so as not to interfere with the gains you've made.

So, based on my understanding, your cycle might look like this:

400mg Test E 1-12
100mg Test-P 13-14 EOD
novla 40/30/20/20

Please keep in mind that I have only read a small portion of the available research and, therefore, it could well be that there is information that supports the taper down method that I am not aware of. I'm also not referring to cycles that use higher dosages of test (i.e., 750mg+). That's an area I have no expertise in.

[swole44]

any pieces of advice? starting in a month or so. getting the BF down a little bit more first

[Blitz-Test]

hey buds. current stats are 6'3'' 215 lbs. training for over a year natty. diet is down patt. stick to it, only one cheat a week. im going to do this starting in august:

400mg Test E 1-12
novla 40/30/20/20

ive had slight gyno my whole life so im going to run some a-dex.

look good?

Adex will take away the estrogen, but a serm will be much better for the defence against gyno, Nolvadex 20mg/ed once gyno appears will be much more effective...

[swole44]

Adex will take away the estrogen, but a serm will be much better for the defence against gyno, Nolvadex 20mg/ed once gyno appears will be much more effective...

what if i already have gyno? no the kind with the lump tho. nipples look fine when cold. lol

[Houstonbc]

the only gyno i know of is "the kind with the lump" under the nipple maybe you just have big nipples lol

[swole44]

the only gyno i know of is "the kind with the lump" under the nipple maybe you just have big nipples lol

lol this could be true.