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Freebsd1977
07-06-2008, 12:27 PM
Hi Cbb, I'm having a tough time coming up with foods to eat every 3 hours so that I can reach my calorie requirements each day. I'm slowly adding back carbs and fat and got no problems there but I always seem to come short about 1000 calories each day, not good as I'm looking to add lean muscle and very little fat storage. I'm 5'11" and around 3500 calories a day is my goal now, around 75 grams of fat and around 200 grams of carbs. Remember, I'm done with being a pillsbury doughboy, time to grow into a muscular kebbler elf :-) So please post away, my pen is waiting and my notebook is open. Even if it means drinking straight from the olive oil dispenser, I'm ready. Calorie-rich, low fat, low carb, I need 3500/6 = 585 cals.

Thank you in advance.

L3
07-06-2008, 12:52 PM
http://www.science-groove.org/Now/Slide8gc.jpg



Glucose is mainly made from starch such as cornstarch. The basic process is “liquefaction, conversion to the monomer sugar which is glucose, purification, concentration, crystallization (if necessary), and drying”. The procedure is as follows:

Starch is broken up by the enzyme called a-amylase under high temperature (~ 100 C°), so that it becomes a sticky paste.

When glucoamylase is added to the pasty starch, 95% of it becomes glucose.

Then it is cooled down and crystallized, forming a syrup and powder. The syrup is removed and the powder part is taken out and dried.



or you can do like me and leat lots of table sugar

fathead
07-06-2008, 03:37 PM
youre going to have a problem---

low carb/low fat doesnt equate to calorie dense.

If you are going low fat and low carb you are only leaving protein which is NOT calorie dense at all. You are going to need about 250g of protein to get 1000 cals without any carbs/fats/sugars in there

Freebsd1977
07-06-2008, 05:26 PM
youre going to have a problem---

low carb/low fat doesnt equate to calorie dense.

If you are going low fat and low carb you are only leaving protein which is NOT calorie dense at all. You are going to need about 250g of protein to get 1000 cals without any carbs/fats/sugars in there

You are correct, that is why I'm upping my carbs and fat up now. I lost the fat I wanted to lose, now is time to get huge on lean muscles. :yeah

Freebsd1977
07-06-2008, 05:26 PM
http://www.science-groove.org/Now/Slide8gc.jpg




or you can do like me and leat lots of table sugar

Thanks for the tip.

IronRobi
07-06-2008, 05:27 PM
or you can do like me and leat lots of table sugar

He said done with being a doughboy. Pretty sure spooning in table sugar is going to make you very fat very fast.

Maybe add in a 7th meal? This way you don't need as many calories per sitting as you'll have that 1 extra sitting to get your total daily calories. If you eat every 2 hours 7 meals is very easy to do.

Freebsd1977
07-06-2008, 09:36 PM
He said done with being a doughboy. Pretty sure spooning in table sugar is going to make you very fat very fast.

Maybe add in a 7th meal? This way you don't need as many calories per sitting as you'll have that 1 extra sitting to get your total daily calories. If you eat every 2 hours 7 meals is very easy to do.

Great point, thanks.

The Terminator
08-06-2008, 02:12 AM
Thought I'd add this in as well - BodyBuilders Food List (http://www.canadabodybuilding.com/forums/showthread.php?p=33512#post33512)

Matt :)

Gettin'r'round
09-06-2008, 09:26 AM
Omega 3 eggs, fish oil. I'm on an omega 3 mission right now. Keep the omega 6 low and up the 3's.

L3
09-06-2008, 11:02 AM
Omega 3 eggs, fish oil. I'm on an omega 3 mission right now. Keep the omega 6 low and up the 3's.

can you elaborate on why >omega3 and <omega6?

also, most pills come in a 3.6.9 form anyways

ty

bottleneckblooz
09-06-2008, 11:09 AM
You can add almonds. They are high in healthy fats which makes them fairly calorie dense.

Gettin'r'round
09-06-2008, 12:06 PM
Omega 3 and 6 are both used by the body to produce ecoisanoids (also called prostagaldins) that control hundreds of processes within the body. However O3's are 5 times less inflammatory to the body than if an O6 was used. Problem is the enzyme that does the conversion could not care less if an O3, O6 or even O9 is used. Too much O6 in the diet will outcompete the O3's. This is where the problem lies. The Greeks might have low rates of heart disease but it isn't from the O6 in olive oil. They also consume a LOT of fish and wild greens. Both are high in O3. For instance the Israelis consume a tonne of O6 oils but next to no 03. As a consequence they suffer the same rates of heart diease/diabetes that North American's do.
Saturated fat is ok (no trans!) as it doesn't compete with O3. Fun eh? This is cutting edge stuff. You also increase your metabolic rate once enough O3 is taken for long enough. I suck at explaining things so just get the book:

Read-----> http://www.ucpress.edu/books/pages/10264.php

Freebsd1977
09-06-2008, 02:06 PM
Omega 3 eggs, fish oil. I'm on an omega 3 mission right now. Keep the omega 6 low and up the 3's.

Know a great place to buy large packs of omega-3 pills cheap?

Freebsd1977
09-06-2008, 02:08 PM
You can add almonds. They are high in healthy fats which makes them fairly calorie dense.

That's great, I lvoe almonds. WOOT! Thank you. :rulz

Freebsd1977
09-06-2008, 02:08 PM
Omega 3 and 6 are both used by the body to produce ecoisanoids (also called prostagaldins) that control hundreds of processes within the body. However O3's are 5 times less inflammatory to the body than if an O6 was used. Problem is the enzyme that does the conversion could not care less if an O3, O6 or even O9 is used. Too much O6 in the diet will outcompete the O3's. This is where the problem lies. The Greeks might have low rates of heart disease but it isn't from the O6 in olive oil. They also consume a LOT of fish and wild greens. Both are high in O3. For instance the Israelis consume a tonne of O6 oils but next to no 03. As a consequence they suffer the same rates of heart diease/diabetes that North American's do.
Saturated fat is ok (no trans!) as it doesn't compete with O3. Fun eh? This is cutting edge stuff. You also increase your metabolic rate once enough O3 is taken for long enough. I suck at explaining things so just get the book:

Read-----> http://www.ucpress.edu/books/pages/10264.php

Explained very well. :ht

gordi
10-06-2008, 01:22 AM
Totally agree: Up your intake of healthy fats and keep the protein high. I'm crazy about fish oil, and I eat tons of eggs (I also use Omega 3 eggs); nuts are the easiest way to up your calories (try to find raw or dry-roasted. I tend to stay away from peanuts, but I'll mix natural peanut butter into my shakes occasionally. Almonds are probably the easiest to find in raw form. Cashews and walnuts are great, too); olive oil; milled flax seeds; avocados are delicious, full of good fat, and loaded with fibre...

L3
10-06-2008, 10:04 AM
Gettin'r'round: thats great info thanks man

Gettin'r'round
10-06-2008, 10:10 AM
I use lots of flax oil and fish oil. I've also some DHA pills to take at a night shake and whenever I feel I need to counter some O6 i've consumed. Also have milled flax seed and started using some local cold-pressed canola oil (it's got a 2:1 O6:O3 ratio, better than olive 16:1) with some raspberry balsamic for salads/bread dipping..yum Even though i'm on var and winny my bloop lipid profile should be sweet.

BTW forget about pills unless you love gelatin. I've used up 1 350ml bottle of flax, 250ml bottle of fish oil and used some O3 eggs, DHA pills, flax powder all in the last 2 weeks! Probably around 150g of O3 per week or 20g per day. Plus i'm ripped.

BTW Cholestrol makes you smart.

Gettin'r'round
10-06-2008, 10:11 AM
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“The problem [is] that the tissues of Western populations [are] awash in omega-6s, fats that compete with the omega-3s.” THE QUEEN OF FATS, Susan Allport (University of California Press, 2006)

Harvard Study Says: EAT FISH

* * *

The Obesity Connection

A federally-funded study by Harvard Medical and Public Health researchers, led by Dariush Mozaffarian, MD, DrPH, and Eric B. Rimm, ScD, analyzed years of data and concluded that the health benefits of eating fish far exceed the potential risks from contaminants. (Journal of the American Medical Association, October 18, 2006) They determined that the cardiovascular health benefits of wild-salmon consumption, for example, outweigh the cancer risks by 900 to one, while the benefit of farm-raised salmon outweigh the risk by 300 to one. The Harvard review found that people who eat one or two servings of fish per week, especially fatty varieties such as wild salmon, may reduce their risk of death from heart attack by 36% and overall mortality by 17%.

In her book Queen of Fats (University of California Press, 2006), science writer Susan Allport tracks the long and winding road that brought us to this point—it’s a detective story of epic proportions (which she skillfully condenses into less than 200 pages). It starts in the 1970s when Danish physicians Hans Olaf Bang and Jorn Dyerberg went to Greenland to investigate Eskimos who ate large amounts of seal and whale blubber, without suffering from heart disease. Fat was thought to be “the dietary demon that causes this disease.”

I can’t tell the whole story here, of course, but I can whet your appetite with a few of the high points, including the obesity connection.

Blubber Beats Heart Disease

After much research and planning, and a long trip, some of it by sailboat, Bang and Dyerberg persuaded 130 Eskimos, 61 men and 69 women, who lived by fishing and hunting, to allow their blood to be tested. Among other things, the doctors wanted to know if their blood lipids would match their high fat consumption. “If the answer was yes,” Allport writes, “then the power of blood lipid levels to predict heart disease would be put in question; if no, then widely accepted recommendations to reduce intake of fat, especially animal fat, would be undercut.” Bang and Dyerberg would have a scoop either way, given that the Eskimos had a very low incidence of heart disease.

Tests on the spot showed that the Eskimos had low levels of all of the lipoproteins, except HDL. [The specimens were also frozen and taken back to Denmark for further testing.] “This outcome was not surprising, given the Eskimo’s low incidence of heart disease, but it was surprising in light of their diet rich in animal fat and cholesterol,” Allport explains. “Moreover, it seemed to be the result of dietary rather than genetic differences, since Eskimos living in Denmark had lipid profiles resembling those of Danes.”

Their paper in the Lancet reporting these findings, which Dyerberg says was a mere curiosity when published, has since become a nutrition classic-- mainly because it was the first to record high levels of HDL-cholesterol, now known as “good cholesterol,” in people with a low incidence of heart disease.

Even more important, as Allport sees it, was their suggestion that the explanation was “probably the large amount of polyunsaturated fatty acids in the fat tissue of the animals eaten.” At the time, polyunsaturated fatty acids were known to prevent increases in blood cholesterol, but nothing was known about the fats of most fish and marine animals. The suggestion was their "guess" based on the fats in fish that had been analyzed, such as salmon, and on a belief that “the composition of animal fatty tissue changes more and more in the polyunsaturated direction as the temperature of the medium in which the animal lives decreases.”

The Danish researchers didn’t stop there, however. They went on to analyze the 130 frozen samples they had brought back from Greenland to determine the basic building blocks of the lipids in the Eskimos’ blood. Comparing the lipid make-up to that of Danes, they found “a striking difference in the two populations,” Allport writes.

The Eskimo blood contained a very small amount of arachidonic acid--an offspring of linoleic acid, the only fat known at the time to be essential for human health--and a very large amount of a fatty acid they were unable to identify. “The Eskimos had seven times as much of this mystery fat as did Danes, and about one-seventh the amount of arachidonic acid.”

Determined to identify the mystery fat, it was decided that Dyerberg would fly to the United States to consult with Ralph Holman, a world authority on the composition and function of fats. Holman quickly identified the substance as eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA), and a smaller amount of another fatty acid known as docosahexaenoic acid (DHA), which was also present in larger amounts in Eskimos than in Danes.

Dyerberg left Holman’s lab knowing that eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) was important, but it took another chapter in the mystery to determine how important. This time the key player was Ralph Holman. (To give you a hint, arachidonic acid is a member of the omega-6 family, and EPA and DHA belong to the omega-3 family.)

Ralph Saves Shawna

This episode starts with the tragic death of Ralph Holman’s mother. She was hospitalized for a condition that destroyed her bowels in the early days of intravenous feeding. Fat being insoluble in water, the first intravenous solutions were fat free. Patients required to be on them for long periods did not do well.

As noted above, linoleic acid was known to be essential for human health; it could not be produced internally and had to be provided in the diet. Holman suspected that other fatty acids might be critical as well. “His mother’s doctor was receptive to what Holman was telling him about fatty acids (as many doctors at the time were not),” Allport relates, “but neither of them could figure out how to safely provide her with the nutrients she was missing.” A nontoxic fat emulsion was developed shortly thereafter, but it was too late for Holman’s mother.

Driven by the loss, Holman redoubled his efforts to learn more about essential fats and convince the medical profession of their importance. When the next life-or-death situation came along, informed by Bang and Dyerberg’s work with Eskimos and other developments, Holman was ready. (Holman’s mother died in 1962, a decade before Bang and Dyerberg went to Greenland.)

In 1979, Holman was asked to consult in the case of a gunshot victim, a six-year-old girl, who had been accidentally shot in the stomach. “Shawna Renee Strobel was a blond, blue-eyed, healthy kindergartner at the time she suffered the wound that would make her the first human case of omega-3 deficiency ever to be recorded in the scientific literature,” Allport writes.

So much of Shawna’s intestine and colon were removed that she had to be fed intravenously. Unlike the case of Ralph’s mother, linoleic acid was included in the IV. Shawna did well for almost a year, but “then she began having episodes of tingling, numbing, and weakness in her legs, sometimes accompanied by blurred vision and a total inability to walk,” Allport relates. “It was a peculiar array of symptoms that the neurologists treating her had never seen before.”

Fortunately, one of her physicians, Terry Hatch, suspected that her intravenous nutrition might be the problem. Ralph Holman was called in to do a fatty acid analysis of Shawna’s blood.

“Holman never met Shawna or her mother, but he saved the Illinois girl’s life when he determined that the amount of omega-3 fatty acids in the girl’s serum was about one-third that of controls,” Allport writes. Holman also determined that her intravenous preparation was very low in omega-3 fatty acids. He suggested that she be switched to a preparation “based on soybean oil and containing both linoleic and alpha linolenic acids (in a ratio of 6 to 1),” Allport explains. “In twelve weeks, all of her neurological symptoms had disappeared.” (Alpha linolenic acid (ALA) is the parent of the omega-3 family and the precursor of EPA and DHA, which Bang and Dyerberg found in abundance in the blood of Eskimos.)

Dr. Hatch, who in 1982 joined with Holman to publish their findings about the young gunshot victim in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, told Allport he didn’t think the case “made a lot of impact.” Nevertheless, Allport writes, “For Holman and a few other researchers, Shawna’s case brought a sea change in attitudes, a new way of looking at the world.” It meant that omega-3 deficiency could impact, perhaps cause, heart disease and neurological disorders, even obesity.

The Obesity Connection

In Challenge Yourself, I wrote about a study, reported in the December 1996 issue of Metabolism, where Japanese researchers raised mice prone to diabetes and obesity on a variety of diets containing 60% fat, and then measured the change in body weight. All of the diets contained the same number of calories; the only difference was the type of fat consumed. The variation in weight gain was truly startling. According to Artemis P. Simopoulos, MD, author of The Omega Plan (Harper Collins, 1998), the difference in weight between the mice fed soybean oil and those fed fish oil was “comparable to the difference in weight between a 225- and a 150-pound man.” A lard/fish oil comparison produced a weight gain disparity almost as great, according to Dr. Simopoulos.

Simopoulos (who Allport recognizes as an authority on fats) observed that soybean oil and lard are high in omega-6 fats and that fish oil is high in omega-3s, but offered no further explanation for the discrepancies in weight gain. Susan Allport, however, offers a detailed and plausible explanation in Queen of Fats.

The following is my “Cliff Notes” version.

She cites research indicating that there “are profound differences between diets and tissues full of omega-6s and omega-3s, differences that slow our bodies down and speed them up.” To explain this idea, scientists have developed what they call “the pacemaker or the leaky membrane hypothesis.”

Analyzing the tissues of animals with different metabolic rates, researchers have found that “the fats of large, slow mammals were more saturated and contained more omega-6 fatty acids than the fats of small, fast mammals like the mouse, which contains more DHA,” Allport writes. “The fats of high-speed animals like the hummingbird were loaded with DHA.” As noted earlier, DHA is a member of the omega-3 family.

The high amounts of DHA result in leakier cell membranes—membranes that have to work harder to maintain their integrity. “A membrane needs to be cohesive enough to be a barrier, but fluid and disordered enough so that the proteins, enzymes, and receptors that are imbedded in it can move around freely and do the things they need to do,” one of the researchers explained. “They have found it is the DHA concentration of membranes that correlates most closely with an animal’s metabolic rate,” she adds.

Metabolism is controlled by genetic factors, but diet also plays a part, which includes the amount of omega-6s and omega-3s an animal eats.

Allport tells us that obesity expert Leonard Storlien, PhD, was perhaps the first person to see the connection between the pacemaker theory and problems associated with energy balance and obesity. “If you have a person running at a metabolic rate that is 40 percent of someone else,” Storlien told Allport in a phone interview, “you would have a profound predisposition for obesity.”

“Storlien had already found that rats do develop insulin resistance on diets that were rich in either saturated fats or omega-6s,” Allport writes. “But fish oil was different. It protected against both insulin resistance and obesity.” This was true in rats, but what about humans?

Storlien knew that the fish-eating Eskimos studied by Bang and Dyerberg had a very low rate of diabetes, and when he heard about the pacemaker or leaky membrane theory immediately saw the “implications for understanding the cluster of diseases surrounding energy and insulin resistance in humans.”

Storlien and a group of other researchers looked to the Pima Indians of Arizona, who have the highest incidence of type 2 diabetes in the world, for another human example, “and found half the amount of DHA in the phospholipids of their skeletal muscles as in a group of Australian, largely Caucasian, men,” Allport relates. “Skeletal muscle is the major site of glucose uptake in the body, and this difference in DHA content was closely correlated with the Indian’s insulin resistance.”

Insulin resistance causes the Pimas to store fat (glucose that isn't burned by their muscles is deposited as fat), which is a good thing when food is scarce and unpredictable, but detrimental when food is abundant. “This is a transition that the Pima Indians have recently made,” Allport observes. Widespread obesity, regrettably, comes with their newfound abundance.

Unfortunately, neither Storlien nor anyone else has been able to demonstrate improvement in insulin sensitivity among type 2 diabetics after omega-3 fatty acids in their diets are increased. “It’s driven most of us nuts,” Storlien told Allport. “It happens so easily in animals. Why doesn’t it happen in humans?”

The probable reason is that obese people carry huge fat reserves. “It would take years to turn over all of the fats on an obese person [from omega-6 to 3],” Storlien told Allport. “I haven’t been able to run my studies out that far. You don’t get grants to do long-term intervention studies.”

Interestingly, he’s had difficulty publishing a one-year study in which a high omega-3 diet did produce “an impressive improvement in insulin action” and other variables. “This study was rejected by five journals,” Storlien told Allport. “Not because of the science, but because the reviewers said, ‘You couldn’t possibly get theses effects from just changing the fatty acid profile of the diet.’”

Metabolism is not a simple matter, Storlien understands. He acknowledges that activity level and calorie intake and many other factors contribute to diabetes and obesity. “But the pacemaker theory is a matter of a number of mechanisms coming together to push metabolism in a particular direction,” he told Allport, “and it’s time to test it with well-funded, long-term studies.”

In the meantime, Allport agrees with the Harvard researchers: Eat Fish. She also recommends eating lots (and lots) of fruits and vegetables. Green vegetables, she says, are “full of alpha linolenic acid, the parent omega-3 fatty acid.”

The Terminator
11-06-2008, 01:17 AM
Know a great place to buy large packs of omega-3 pills cheap?

Costco - Salmon Oil. ;)

Matt

Freebsd1977
12-06-2008, 05:40 PM
You guys rock, thank you for all the great info.

Musclehead
17-06-2008, 08:11 AM
You want another 1000 cals. I usually have 2 servings of mixed nuts per day of 1/2 cup, totalling 1 cup for about 70g fat or 630 cals and I also have another 2-4tbsp of natty peanut butter for another 14-28g of fat for close to 1000 cals total. In the past I haven't eaten enough fat so I am really trying to add more.

NatPaq
15-07-2008, 10:43 AM
I agree with everyone else. Getting healthy fats from natty pb and flaxseed oil will help. I'm wondering why you're doing so much cardio though if you're trying to bulk up? For one thing, it's catabolic. It may help you increase your weight if you keep it to maybe 2x/week. Try HIIT instead which will not only blast away fat, it's also much more muslce sparing.

Freebsd1977
15-07-2008, 03:28 PM
I agree with everyone else. Getting healthy fats from natty pb and flaxseed oil will help. I'm wondering why you're doing so much cardio though if you're trying to bulk up? For one thing, it's catabolic. It may help you increase your weight if you keep it to maybe 2x/week. Try HIIT instead which will not only blast away fat, it's also much more muslce sparing.

I gotta modify that schedule I have posted. I'm very stressed lately due to the work I do, f'in life! :moon

small_guy
17-07-2008, 08:38 PM
Eggs- one of the best foods.

warlock
17-07-2008, 11:06 PM
almond butter is the best stuff for someone that needs healthy calories.