Roid gut?

[Kilburn]

this dude i talk to at the gym is in his 40s and he's been cycling for ages, probably since his late 20s. he stays on for 16 weeks at a time, sometimes longer. his cycle is always test and deca.

dude is fuking ripped yet he has a massive distended gut. no GH, no slin, just roids. can roids alone cause this?

[The Terminator]

Possibly...
- eating a large amount of food with great frequency?
- Heavy exercises (squats, deads) - exercises that push the abdominal wall out?
- Not practicing vacuum poses?

Just guesses.

Matt

[bigdaddydrew123]

my guess is he uses gh , just doesnt want you to know

[MassNutrition]

I totally agree with BDD... there is no way the dude is ripped off of Test and Deca. Everyone is bound to hold some kind of water retention or fat accumulation when using those 2 compounds together. I don't give a shit what his diet is like or what his cardio regime is...

...I've managed to stay fairly lean off of cycles that contain Test Prop over the years, but never ripped. My best guess is that he's on a peptide...

[Freebsd1977]

Possibly...
- eating a large amount of food with great frequency?
- Heavy exercises (squats, deads) - exercises that push the abdominal wall out?
- Not practicing vacuum poses?

Just guesses.

Matt

Hi Matt, by vacuum poses, do you mean the ones that Arnold shows in his bb encyclopedia book? Suck your stomach in and bend forward type thing.

[The Terminator]

Hi Matt, by vacuum poses, do you mean the ones that Arnold shows in his bb encyclopedia book? Suck your stomach in and bend forward type thing.

Yessir. :) We can still do them today, MD had an article on it recently as well. In my opinion, a lot of todays pro's could really stand to add this back in, might make them all look less pregnant.

Matt

[The Terminator]

there is no way the dude is ripped off of Test and Deca.

GH causes water retention too, just an FYI. ;) Diet leans one out, not the drugs they are on. While drugs and certain forms of AAS can help, they do not dictate how much water one carries, diet does.

The other option is that he might be using a SERM to dry him out, as excess estrogen (such as aromatization from Test and Deca) causes a bit of a water bloat depending on body fat and genetics.

If he's being straight up about the Test and Deca, why would he lie about GH? ;)

Matt

[Freebsd1977]

Yessir. :) We can still do them today, MD had an article on it recently as well. In my opinion, a lot of todays pro's could really stand to add this back in, might make them all look less pregnant.

Matt

Well said, gone are the days where Mr.Olympia has a huge top and small midsection. Jay Cutler for example, is HUGGGGEEEE around the stomach area.

[bigdaddydrew123]

Well said, gone are the days where Mr.Olympia has a huge top and small midsection. Jay Cutler for example, is HUGGGGEEEE around the stomach area.
itd be hard to suck in 80 lbs of intestines.

[fathead]

1) you can be shredded on deca/test if youre diet is in check and you control sides. I know guys who have competed with deca in the program right up to a show

2) I agree totally with above. I think distended guts have a lot more to do with massive food intake and less to do with peptides than people claim. If you are pounding massive amounts of food regularly you (or at least I) get that mid section that pushes itself out. I find that when im a fat boat and eating tonnes I get a belly like that, as soon as i go into clean eating, most of that goes away very quickly, well before i lean up. And if im really lean and have a massive cheat day, I will look completely shredded AND pregnant at the same time just from the food intake expanding my mid section.

Sure, 10ius of gh a day for years is going to contribute, but i think people overlook the food intake of these guys

[MassNutrition]

GH causes water retention too, just an FYI. ;) Diet leans one out, not the drugs they are on. While drugs and certain forms of AAS can help, they do not dictate how much water one carries, diet does...

Matt

Of course GH makes you retain water, but only at higher dosages. I personally have never had this problem... I keep my GH dosages in check.

And yes, diet is the main key to body composition, but don't DARE say drugs don't lean you out. Test and Deca are hormones... but don't count out the stimulants... 'cause then I'll just be off my ****ing rocker for taking all this Clen and T3.

[Freebsd1977]

itd be hard to suck in 80 lbs of intestines.

Great pic of Arnold in his heyday. Look at that midsection, perfection.
http://gymsanity.files.wordpress.com/2007/01/arnold-lats.jpg

[Mr Ontario]

You are either predispositioned to get that gut using roids or not.

[The Terminator]

Of course GH makes you retain water, but only at higher dosages. I personally have never had this problem... I keep my GH dosages in check.

And o you think that any pro going into a show these days is using low dose GH (under 6IU/day)? I think not.


And yes, diet is the main key to body composition, but don't DARE say drugs don't lean you out. Test and Deca are hormones... but don't count out the stimulants... 'cause then I'll just be off my ****ing rocker for taking all this Clen and T3.

Oh, drugs help. But, they do not "create" the leanness. Diet has to be in check first, right? ;)

Matt

[Felinecougar]

Maybe he has been sucking back the rum and cokes or Buds all these years too.

Some old school men only want size and the large gut is nothing they are ashamed of in a bar brawl...to look big is their goal.

[MassNutrition]

And o you think that any pro going into a show these days is using low dose GH (under 6IU/day)? I think not...

Matt

Who's talking about Pros here?! We're talking about a facking dude in his 40s at the gym who possibly denies taking GH... stick to the topic!

[Mr Ontario]

thinking about it again being in his 40's and used regular juice...he more then likely used GH before....in turn probably didn't help with the gut especially if predisposition to have that look.

[The Terminator]

Who's talking about Pros here?! We're talking about a facking dude in his 40s at the gym who possibly denies taking GH... stick to the topic!

Topics evolve, but that's another topic in itself...

My point is that I don't know anyone who would be spending 1000+ a month for 3 or more kits to run 10IU's a day, unless they are pro, or going pro. It doesn't make sense for a rec user to drop that amount of money, and then lie about it.

Not saying it wouldn't happen, but...it's less likely.

Now relax, would you? :) That clen and T3 have you on the edge of your seat it seems. ;)

Matt

[MassNutrition]

Topics evolve, but that's another topic in itself...

My point is that I don't know anyone who would be spending 1000+ a month for 3 or more kits to run 10IU's a day, unless they are pro, or going pro. It doesn't make sense for a rec user to drop that amount of money, and then lie about it.

Not saying it wouldn't happen, but...it's less likely.

Now relax, would you? :) That clen and T3 have you on the edge of your seat it seems. ;)

Matt

No one says he needs to take 10IUs per day to get the results he has. Chances are, if his diet is in check (and we BOTH agree on that), then he can get away with 2 to 3IUs per day to achieve those results. As mentioned, he could have a predisposition for GH gut, even at that low of a dosage...

...and by the way, it's not the Clen and T3 that are making me irritable. Chances are, it's the Tren, Cyp, Prop, EQ, and Masteron... :ht

[The Terminator]

No one says he needs to take 10IUs per day to get the results he has. Chances are, if his diet is in check (and we BOTH agree on that), then he can get away with 2 to 3IUs per dy to achieve those results. As mentioned, he could have a predisposition for GH gut, even at that low of a dosage...

...and by the way, it's not the Clen and T3 that are making me irritable. Chances are, it's the Tren, Cyp, Prop, EQ, and Masteron... :ht

LOL! Cheers bro. :D You made me laugh with the last part. I'm going to be doing a Tren conversion in the near future, so I'll be feeling that pain.

And you're right on the pre-disposition to the so call GH gut. The only thing is the circumstantial evidence shows that GH gut is dose dependent, at least if we're comparing most pro's to national level competitors, down to amateur's. After all, the more serious one is, the more money they are likely to put in to get the bigger payoff (hopefully).

I think we should have also mentioned that a large but cut gut could be caused by improper IGF administration. That's a whole other topic though. :D

Matt

[grindtight]

You are either predispositioned to get that gut using roids or not.

aka abdominal distention.....

[Freebsd1977]

Maybe he has been sucking back the rum and cokes or Buds all these years too.

Some old school men only want size and the large gut is nothing they are ashamed of in a bar brawl...to look big is their goal.

Very true Felinecougar. My parents country of origin, a large gut is a thing of pride. We want to flex our biceps, old country folk flex their abs outward. :wtf

[Kilburn]

i was thinking maybe it's from all the test.

arnold and those guys mostly used deca/primo/dbol and no one had a gut. just a theory.

[MassNutrition]

i was thinking maybe it's from all the test.

arnold and those guys mostly used deca/primo/dbol and no one had a gut. just a theory.

No one had a gut back then because synthetic GH wasn't around! They only discovered they could extract it from dead fackers AFTER the days of Arnold, and even then GH use was unheard of...

[bigdaddydrew123]

even in the days of haney there were alot fewer guts, something got out of hand in the coleman era.

[DaFreak]

You have to realize that your abdomen is made in a certain shape - either more oval that protrudes to the front, or wider that goes to the side. Compare Jay Cutler and Ronnie Coleman - Cutler looked great from the side while Coleman was fine from the front. Cutler has a wide waist, Coleman has a small waist that protrudes to the front.

BTW it's only a question of intra-intestinal water retention (caused by the GH if it's cut out close to a show) and the ENORMOUS quantity of food these guys have to eat while carbing up. Unless you are a real big man carbing up for a show, having that big distended belly year round is only indication you are eating too much food - be it too much food altogether, too frequent large feedings or 2-3 BIG meals a day.

To go back to the basic topic, apparently the guy only eats a couple times daily and eats too much, or he doesn't control his abdomen at all while working out, or he doesn't do any abs work. Using GH does NOT give you a big abdomen - eating WAY too much does. And insulin doesn't give you a belly unless you eat massive amount of food.

[DaFreak]

No one had a gut back then because synthetic GH wasn't around! They only discovered they could extract it from dead fackers AFTER the days of Arnold, and even then GH use was unheard of...

GH existed in the 70s, no doubt about it. Nobody knows what these guys used, but GH was already around. Remember Caverject!

[MassNutrition]

GH existed in the 70s, no doubt about it. Nobody knows what these guys used, but GH was already around. Remember Caverject!

Hell yes, I remember Caverject. But no one touched the shit. Heck, no one could FIND IT! This stuff was so rare. My point was about synthetic GH. There was no synthetic back then, NOR the abundance that you see today. Do you really think that the boys back then who COULD find Caverject and KNEW what the hell to do with it actually punched over 10IUs a day?! Heckkkk noooooo....

[Kilburn]

bull ****ing shit that eatting lots of food makes your gut get permanently big. i can't believe people keep saying that because it's ****ing retarded.

ya, eatting a giant meal will make it swell afterwards, BUT IT GOES AWAY. have you seen some of those asian guys who do eatting competitions and eat like 50 hotdogs or whatever? they are ripped, no gut whatsoever.

look at old and new pics of ronnie. his waist used to be tiny. the whole fuking thing clearly got ALOT bigger. it's pulomboisim and i'm thinking that large ammounts of test must be a factor.

[bigdaddydrew123]

back in the 60s and 70s bulking like crazy was alot more popular, but guys didnt have huge guts on stage. could be test, but i think its huge amounts of gh that caused it.even in the haney era guts didnt stick out like this era.so its gotta be an increase of something and i dont buy that overeating crap either.if you diet down below 5 to 6 %bf a normal gut doesnt prtrude like coleman .

[Blitz-Test]

ahh killburn...

Anyways, could be genetic, could be he doesnt want to admit to you what he has really taken...

[tony_canuck]

i gotta agree with the guys who say gh+insulin use/abuse has changed the look. no one 30 years ago was using the amount of gh+insulin as today, but they ate a lot back then too. And someone mentioned the young ronnie, i'm sure his diet didn't increase by 200%, but once he started making more money and sponsors he could get more gh.....in my opinion of course

[warlock]

when takinga workshop with Charle sPoliquin he stated that the comsumption of oral steroids will give you a gut...

[dainbramaged]

when takinga workshop with Charle sPoliquin he stated that the comsumption of oral steroids will give you a gut...

I could sort of see that, especially when looking at all the younger guys in the gym who're too afraid to use a needle but still have roid guts starting..