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TT Eric
12-06-2012, 11:10 PM
I found this site that is really against most EFAs, according to them, fish oil is toxic and should be avoid, as it's easily oxidated. They have plenty of studies about this.

http://www.functionalps.com/blog/2010/12/19/errors-in-nutrition-essential-fatty-acids/

...''Seed Oil Industry
One of the reasons why the concept of EFA continues to exist is marketing and dollars. The supplement industry is big business. It is the goal of the supplement marketer to place the importance of their product in the forefront of the minds of consumers. Is there a better way to market the necessity of a product than by saying that a supplement or food is essential to the human diet?

The faulty premise of EFA became the basis by which a cleverly contrived seed oil industry marketing scheme came about despite it being based largely on a 1920s study and having no basis in scientific reality. Nevertheless, the seed oil biz has done a great job of convincing people that the cheap essential oils are heart protective and better than animal fats which contain cholesterol that clogs your arteries. Whatever the public hears the most, they come to believe as fact. The need for essential fats has been heard so often by the masses and professionals that it is now believed as fact without any question of validity.


Varnish is good for you, right?

Before WWII, seed oils were used as varnishes, paints, and in plastics. The introduction of petroleum into the marketplace quickly left the seed oil industry without a substantial market to sell their product. A new market had to be made and unfortunately it was the supermarket. The same reason why seed oils make good varnishes is the same reason why you should not consume such foods — their propensity to oxidize.(8)

Essential for Something
It turns out that the essential fats are indeed essential but not to the diet but rather for disease.(12-16) You will never hear this other side of the coin expressed in the media. There is too much financial interest at stake. When you view health through that periscope, the rampant disease, chronic fatigue, and obesity that pervades western culture is easy to figure out as the food supply and supplement business is drowning people in destructive polyunsaturated fats (PUFA).

As mentioned earlier, eliciting an EFA deficiency on purpose in an otherwise adequate diet proved beneficial in both human and animal models. A new nutritional paradigm could encourage an intentional EFA and PUFA deficiency as such a state improves our metabolic function, adaptability to stress, resistance to disease, and allows us to synthesize our own unsaturated fats (Mead Acids) from carbohydrate which are anti-inflammatory and protective.

EFA, being polyunsaturated, are prone to oxidation and thus are responsible in many ways for degeneration on a wide scale. Ray Peat, in his article “Membranes, plasma membranes, and surfaces,” says that EFA do the following:

“If you want to use a polyunsaturated oil as a drug, it is worthwhile to remember that the “essential fatty acids” suppress metabolism and promote obesity; are immunosuppressive; cause inflammation and shock; are required for alcoholic liver cirrhosis; sensitize to radiation damage; accelerate formation of aging pigment, cataracts, retinal degeneration; promote free radical damage and excitoxicity; cause cancer and accelerate its growth; are toxic to the heart muscle and promote atherosclerosis; can cause brain edema, diabetes, excessive vascular permeability, precocious puberty, progesterone deficiency, skin wrinkling and other signs of aging.”(17)

At this point, taking the approach of doing the exact opposite of what the public is told regarding nutrition would afford you a better chance of achieving good health and avoiding disease. The current state of nutritional affairs are that bad. Supporting industry and profits are at the heart of nutritional recommendations, never health. Weeding through the piles of dogma preached by industry and special interests is near impossible. The truth is hard to find. Marketing is dominating the thought of the masses by exposing them to cleverly contrived falsehoods.''



http://www.functionalps.com/blog/2011/11/26/fish-oil-toxicity/

http://www.functionalps.com/blog/2012/06/12/10-tips-for-better-sleep/

''Limit PUFA.
Polyunsaturated fats (PUFA) are promoted as the “healthy fats” and “essential fats” yet they are universally toxic to human physiology and poison our energy production at multiple points, suppress immune function, lower the body temperature, harm the brain and heart, inhibit protein digestion, promote estrogen and cancer, shorten lifespan, and negatively affect our detoxification systems. PUFA also serve as the basis by which toxic and inflammatory breakdown products are made such as prostaglandins, isoprostanes, and lipid peroxides. Excess consumption of PUFA will not only degrade sleep quality, but they are silently a figure head in the rise in obesity and chronic disease in the western world.''

About everything we heard is contradicted here.

Eric

steve_d
13-06-2012, 10:16 AM
One key point that stood out to me was this:

"One of the reasons why the concept of EFA continues to exist is marketing and dollars. The supplement industry is big business."

This is true for basically everything. Almost everything humans consume, or supplement with in 1 way or another will benefit someone financially. Makes it hard to really be able to trust anything we read. 20 years ago what may have been safe and effective to treating condition A is no longer favorable because a new product is out there that is 'shown' to be more effective. Until 20 years after that we show that wasn't the case, and so on. We don't always need to be so cynical or 'anti medicine' though...because there are certain products or drugs out there that do work...side effects in some, yes - but as a whole they can be shown to benefit mankind (or at least the benefits outweigh the risk).

I see this type of stuff in my job everyday. And as a bodybuilder, sometimes I laugh when I hear people talking about the NEED to use this or that in their supplement stacks. Will it really make that much a difference? I suppose, placebos can be a very powerful thing. My theory is watch your wallet, and if your lucky enough to have a big wallet, then more importantly watch your health.

cog
13-06-2012, 04:32 PM
Anybody actually gone vegetarian for a period?I have,when you eat meat again you can tell it slows your internal flywheel.

juggies
13-06-2012, 05:35 PM
It's the internet, you can find an opinion supporting damn well anything.

cog
13-06-2012, 08:11 PM
Eric I showed you a link to the site of Udo Erasmus and his opinion of fish oils.

TT Eric
13-06-2012, 09:15 PM
Yes I remember! He's not totally against fish oil, just concerned that it may contain toxins like BPC, which is a real concern for cheap quality products.

At least, as a vendor of course, he's convince that EFA are beneficial to the health, not like the other site.

I never bought any of his stuff so far, but I might give it a try as they are sold at my local Organic Market on York street.

Eric

cog
13-06-2012, 09:36 PM
Erasmus feels it is near impossible to process these oils without altering them as well as the food chain issues.

Praetorian
13-06-2012, 11:37 PM
Be careful when reading this article because it is very misleading. Yes an over abundance of PUFA (omega 6 is not good) what you should strive for is a balance of omega 3 to 6. If PUFA in the proper ratio were a problem then why do they improve lipid profiles, reduce inflammation, improve overall health etc. You need to look at what constitutes PUFA and be wise about your choices...here is what you can do:

Don’t eat toxins: avoid industrial seed oils, improperly prepared cereal grains and legumes and excess sugar (especially fructose)
Nourish your body: emphasize saturated and monounsaturated fat while reducing intake of polyunsaturated fat, favor glucose/starch over fructose, and favor ruminant animal protein and seafood over poultry
Eat real food: eat grass-fed, organic meat and wild fish, and local, organic produce when possible. Avoid processed, refined and packaged food.

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Praetorian
13-06-2012, 11:39 PM
Anybody actually gone vegetarian for a period?I have,when you eat meat again you can tell it slows your internal flywheel.

You are throwing the baby out with the bathwater...its not meat that is the problem...it is the what this "meat" was eating when it was alive that is the problem.
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warlock
14-06-2012, 07:56 PM
You are throwing the baby out with the bathwater...its not meat that is the problem...it is the what this "meat" was eating when it was alive that is the problem.
P

Precisely!

Conventionally raised meat is equivalent of road kill, see what those animal s are fed and treated that can make anyone sick.

If you eat the flesh of a sick animal what should you expect?

cog
14-06-2012, 08:55 PM
Didn't you say that you dont eat dead animals awhile back warlock?

warlock
18-06-2012, 06:21 AM
Didn't you say that you dont eat dead animals awhile back warlock?


Never.

I respect but completely disagree with vegetarianism.