Second Cycle

[jmaker]

Looking to start my second cycle in less then 2 weeks. I'm down to 184 lbs. 5'11.

My goal is to put on mass.

Weeks 1 - 4 100mg Anadrol 50
Weeks 1 - 12 750mg Test E

PCT - Nolva, Letro (if needed)


My one concern is weither or not to throw in some deca this time around. I ran Dbol and Omnadren for my first cycle. What do you suggest guys?

[The Terminator]

Looking to start my second cycle in less then 2 weeks. I'm down to 190 lbs. 5'11.

My goal is to put on mass.

Weeks 1 - 4 100mg Anadrol 50
Weeks 1 - 12 750mg Test E

PCT - Nolva, Letro (if needed)


My one concern is weither or not to throw in some deca this time around. I ran Dbol and Omnadren for my first cycle. What do you suggest guys?

I would do, Especially if adding in the Deca....

Week 1 - 10 750mg/week Test E
Week 1 - 9 300 to 400mg/ Week Deca
Either Weeks 5 to 8 or 9 to 12 with your Anadrol 50

PCT 4 weeks from 13 to 16. Nolva 40/30/20/20

Matt :)

[IronRobi]

Since you have experience with test already and know how you react to it, adding deca to the mix shouldn't hurt anything at all.

[jmaker]

Would I make considerable more gains with the deca? Or would I still make great gains with 750mg of test E a week without the deca? My diet is good, I'll be taking in about 250 grams of protein daily.

[spankmonkey]

Deca and Test tried and true mass builder and probably one of the most popular.:hu

[The Terminator]

Deca is 2.4 times as anabolic as Test, hence why there is the old fashioned (and outdated) bread and butter stack of Deca/Dbol. So saying Test and Deca will make you grow is like saying chickens lay eggs, have beaks, and feathers. :D

Matt

[Bowlcut]

I personally think Nandrolone is among the most overrated compounds out there.
Shuts one down the hardest, gives some bloat, and can make some get nice oily skin.

I would suggest EQ. It is summer time so if you want to stay and have the lean look then go with it and boldenone will not shut you down as much as deca will.
With deca hCG during the cycle is a wise choice, but that is just more money to spend which can be used on protein or real food which are the real determining factors in gaining size.

[jmaker]

Thanks guys, your a big help. I'm still trying to map this all out. Wanna do this right. This is a revised version based on feedback from this forum and another forum:

week 1 - 10 eq 300mg/week
week 1 - 10 testE 500/week
week 1 - 4 Dbol 40mg/day

Bowlcut, others have made similar suggestions about the eq as opposed to Deca. Hoping you can all throw in your .02 cents about which has proven better for size and ability to keep them with a solid pct regiment.

The Test E is a definite. How would you pin 500mg a week. Would you break it up or can you just do 500mg all at once every week?

[bigdaddydrew123]

I personally think Nandrolone is among the most overrated compounds out there.
Shuts one down the hardest, gives some bloat, and can make some get nice oily skin.

I would suggest EQ. It is summer time so if you want to stay and have the lean look then go with it and boldenone will not shut you down as much as deca will.
With deca hCG during the cycle is a wise choice, but that is just more money to spend which can be used on protein or real food which are the real determining factors in gaining size.
eq has the added benefit of increasing appetite if your looking to add size. if i was going to use either deca or eq id go longer than 9 weeks id do at least 12 which means you gotta do a longer cycle. and yes i think you could do really well on just test at 750/ week. i still get good gains on test only and usually dont go past 1000. i usually do 800/ week

[The Terminator]

Thanks guys, your a big help. I'm still trying to map this all out. Wanna do this right. This is a revised version based on feedback from this forum and another forum:

week 1 - 10 eq 300mg/week
week 1 - 10 testE 500/week
week 1 - 4 Dbol 40mg/day

Bowlcut, others have made similar suggestions about the eq as opposed to Deca. Hoping you can all throw in your .02 cents about which has proven better for size and ability to keep them with a solid pct regiment.

The Test E is a definite. How would you pin 500mg a week. Would you break it up or can you just do 500mg all at once every week?

500mg Test is 250mg every 4th day. Calendar it, put it into your cell phone, whatever you have to do. You can do it once a week, but then your blood androgen levels would be all over the map. The goal is to keep it as level as possible, so E4D is good for Test E.

Matt

[Bowlcut]

I have only been on EQ for about 2 weeks so not too much to say about it as yet. I would recommend a front load of 600mg/week for 3-4 weeks, and then drop to 300 from there.
I would also run the cycle out longer. Around 15 weeks or so. You need to buy 2 vials of t-400 anyways, so might as well use it all, and an extra vial of EQ is pennies in the long run (roleplaying here we know you are not going to actually buy any).


Dbol is your choice. For me I need to run an AI or else it gives me gyno above 20mg/day. If you have the cash Var gets great reviews around here, or at least consider giving winny a try. You could always run dbol at the beginning but throw some winny on the end if you want to get a harder look.

I am doing a cycle similar to the one you are considering so I am not recommending something I would not personally try. I am just looking to get up to 215 and then drop down to HRT dose.

[jmaker]

Bowlcut, I PM'd you.

[RJ*]

npp> deca
but id go with eq as well

[DaFreak]

Am I then only one who noticed he is eating only 250g of protein a day??? For these drugs to give you any effect you have to eat at least 400g of protein a day. Anything below that and you're wasting time, money and health.

[jmaker]

I've never read that, and I've done a ton of reading. Not saying your wrong, I just never read that 400 grams of protein is necessary to see any results at all. I had already decided that I am gonna try to push 300 grams a day. I can't see why I won't make great gains with this.

[The Terminator]

I've never read that, and I've done a ton of reading. Not saying your wrong, I just never read that 400 grams of protein is necessary to see any results at all. I had already decided that I am gonna try to push 300 grams a day. I can't see why I won't make great gains with this.

x2, remembering that everyone's physiology is different. If he's growing, it's working.

Matt

[Blitz-Test]

Looking to start my second cycle in less then 2 weeks. I'm down to 190 lbs. 5'11.

My goal is to put on mass.

Weeks 1 - 4 100mg Anadrol 50
Weeks 1 - 12 750mg Test E

PCT - Nolva, Letro (if needed)


My one concern is weither or not to throw in some deca this time around. I ran Dbol and Omnadren for my first cycle. What do you suggest guys?

In my opinion I would not use deca this time around... Anadrol is harsh enough for a second cycle, using a dht progestin and and 19-nor heavy prolactin is just asking for trouble.

If you do decide to run Test/Deca/Drol, it is a good combo, but I would pick up some Cabergoline to have on hand...

[Houstonbc]

on my 1st run of eq im in week 9 of 500mg/ week and wow i can finally feel it kicking in now i NEED to eat every 1.5 hours
comparing it to deca i think i will stick with eq from now on deca gave me back acne and lots of water retention
go with the eq bro its a perfect addition to test imo

[swole44]

does EQ give "deca dick" as ive heard deca does?

[The Terminator]

does EQ give "deca dick" as ive heard deca does?

No.

Matt

[jmaker]

So after some time to get it all sorted out, I've got my gear on the way. I've decided on DBol, EQ and Test E. Decided against Deca and also replaced the Anadrol with Dbol. Heard too many bad things about Abombs. Not that I wont try it, just not yet. I'll wait till I'm a little more seasoned.
Still thinking of only going for 10 weeks though. What do you think...

[gsxr750]

10 weeks seems a bit short for a long ester. DBOL really serves no purpose from what i've read other than to jump start the impatient ;) Do you really keep any of the gains from DBOL and isn't it mostly just water weight anyways? What's the point? I would just drop the DBOL and invest in extending your test cycle to at least 12 weeks.

[fathead]

Am I then only one who noticed he is eating only 250g of protein a day??? For these drugs to give you any effect you have to eat at least 400g of protein a day. Anything below that and you're wasting time, money and health.

this is absurd

[The Terminator]

this is absurd

Agreed.

Matt

[jmaker]

Just a quick update, I'm coming up on 4 weeks into my cycle. My weight has increased to 197 from 184. So far I'm enjoying this cycle alot more then my first which was omnadren and dbol. I don't feel all bloated up like I did then. My pumps are really starting to get intense in the gym. I was doing shoulders last week and the pumps in my delts were almost too much. I've been trying to get more taurine to help with the painful pumps.

A couple other things, first, my appetite is taking a beating. Not sure whats doing it. Gotta force the food down. And I'm tired as hell within an hour of taking a dbol. Anyone else get this. I've read that its fairly common.

Anyways, this is where I'm at bro's...

[Canadian Bodybuilding]

Congrats on the weight gain so far. The best is yet to come. Keep forcing yourself to eat and when the EQ really kicks in, you'll have a huge appetite.

Dbol makes me snooooooooooze.

[jmaker]

Appetite still taking a shit kicking. I've decided to drop the dbol and will start it again during the last 2 - 3 weeks of my cycle. Weight still climbing at a steady pace (199.5). My strength and endurance are up as well. Working my ass off in the gym and seeing good results so far.

[gsxr750]

Good stuff. Keep us updated!

[gustavo77]

Appetite still taking a shit kicking. I've decided to drop the dbol and will start it again during the last 2 - 3 weeks of my cycle. Weight still climbing at a steady pace (199.5). My strength and endurance are up as well. Working my ass off in the gym and seeing good results so far.

D-bol kills my appetite also..4 weeks is enough on d-bol anyway IMO...good thinking on dropping d-bol, you should notice your appetite increasing over the next few days.

[Big D]

good work man, keep it up