2012 CBBF Bodybuilding Nationals OFFICIAL THREAD

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Date: August 18, 2012
Location: Edmonton, Alberta
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This thread will be for all discussions of the Nationals up until the show to keep it organized. The results will be posted in a separate thread on the day of the show. Updates, pics, news etc, to be posted here.
Also the first post will have a list that we update when we know someone will be attending the nationals this year. If you or someone you know will be competing, post it up in this thread and I will update the first post with the competitor name so we can all learn about them before the show takes place.


Men
Ron Partlow - AB
Jagjit Athwal - BC - Super-Heavyweight
Glen Brown - BC - Light-Heavyweight
Mark Loo - BC
Steve Didoshack - BC
Riley Mueller - BC
Rowan Vrooman - BC
Tyron Ashmeade - BC
Gordon Nelson - BC
Matt Tsinkorang - BC
Jason Eggleston - MB
Greg Doucette - NS
Mike Lynds - NS
Tony Searle - ON
Jason Green - ON
Jerome Bravo - ON
John Aiello - ON
Baron Lappa - ON
Mark Richman - ON
Baron Lappa - ON
Benoit Lapierre - QC
Alexandre Raymond - QC
Mathieu Langlois - QC
Antoine Vaillant - QC
Loutfi Ajaoun - QC
Andre Longchamp - QC

Women
Carmen Tocheniuk - AB
Nancy Clark - BC
Dawn Alison - BC
Stephanie Green - BC
Carol Hanley - ON
Joanne Williams - ON

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[MuSuLPhReAk]

A few updates have been posted.

[dangit]

Last I heard Greg D was competing... Mike Lynds is in full contest prep with his sponser (Beyond), I've been trying to get going, but been hitting freaking road blocks left right and center.

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Thanks. Updated the list.

[phatkid77]

Pretty sure tony Searle and Jason green

[phatkid77]

Oh. AND BLP.

[razorsedge]

Looks like the Mens HW and SHW wll be an outright throwdown from the names there already...lineup shaping up nicely

[blp]

i trained with jerome bravo few days ago , quads n double biceps back ,, pro level ,, he' doing it ,, prep by sammer ,,

[Prisoner#22]

You can add me to the list also :).

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Thanks. Updated the list.

[MuscleRush]

I will be competing as well . Men's Bodybuilding - Heavyweight Class
You can add me to the list .. Maher AlAsfar

[Andre]

My good buddy who manages one of my gyms, Christopher Wong is doing the Nationals for super heavy and Masters (he's 45!)... He did the Ontario's over the weekend to get some practice on stage... 10.5 weeks to go... Here's are some pics from the weekend... He's the asian dude in pics... nice improvement from last year when he decided to step on step on stage for the 1st time in 20 years with 6 weeks of prep!

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[SupermanAramini]

Add me to the list. (First national appearance)


~
Aaron Aramini - MB

[Stoneco|d]

Christopher Wong is an aesthetics beast for super heavyweight, killed it at the Supershow

[blp]

khaled doin it in light heavy , wonderful bber


.,, king kong wong is awesom ,,

[blp]

larry vinette doing it ,, he 40 ,, unsure ,, if he go open or master ,,

he look incredible ,, well ,, as always ,

[Andre]

Chris 10 weeks out 22" shredded arms!!
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/539985_10150874175336297_1078321251_n.jpg

[jacknare]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_-gwrnOUk8&feature=plcp

[fitfanatik]

...well, there's 7.5 weeks to go with no Facebook Events Page!?

Here's a link to one I started>>>> THE 2012 CANADIAN BODYBUILDING CHAMPIONSHIPS!!!! (https://www.facebook.com/events/439500006090084/)

SEE YOU THERE!

Make sure and fill out the "POLL" for who the next IFBB PROS will be!!!

72 hours to the BCABBA Provincials!!!

:beer Last day of cal. restriction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[dangit]

Might as well throw me in for Masters... Diet is still going pretty good and not dead yet :) 7 more weeks to rip it up.

[JonnyO]

Might as well throw me in for Masters... Diet is still going pretty good and not dead yet :) 7 more weeks to rip it up.

Kick butt brother!

[jacknare]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCVaCw4DUUU

[Andre]

Chris Wong @ 7 weeks out... just shy of 260lbs...

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/582179_10150916356316297_1325674213_n.jpg

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/182126_10150916429011297_674832195_n.jpg

[blp]

7 weeks out - 242

[jacknare]

Chris Wong @ 7 weeks out... just shy of 260lbs...

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/582179_10150916356316297_1325674213_n.jpg

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/182126_10150916429011297_674832195_n.jpgWoW

[Andre]

5 weeks out 258lbs!!!
http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/524025_10150951083266297_1295795896_n.jpg
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/602509_10150943360111297_807025088_n.jpg
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/578929_10150951120656297_2146203184_n.jpg

[jacknare]

Larry Vinette 2.5 weeks out33434334353343633437

[Delt King]

i wonder if he's moving up to heavyweight? sure looks like it.

Larry Vinette 2.5 weeks out33434334353343633437

[Big_Papa_B]

does anyone have a line on good tickets for the nationals?

[razorsedge]

does anyone have a line on good tickets for the nationals?

How many do you want

[Andre]

I need 2 for both morning and night... please let me know asap :-D

[dangit]

Is Larry Vinette doing masters as well? He looks ready now. Damn.

[steve_d]

I'm looking for a ticket if anyone has 1 for sale... I looked online and there are only blocks of 2 left and won't let me leave empty seats. I will end up booking in the terrace section if nothing shows up but figured I'd ask if anyone has an extra ticket or know where I can get 1!

[steve_d]

^ ended up finding someone else who just needed 1 and was able to book a 2 seat spot... Looked like the tickets were almost sold out at this point. Will be a good show! I know a lot of people competing from both Ontario and Nova Scotia.

1 week until weigh ins!

[blp]

how do we get trainer pass?

[Sexxxton]

If anyone has a ticket, please PM me. Thanks. Just need 1.

[razorsedge]

If anyone has a ticket, please PM me. Thanks. Just need 1.

PM ed you

[steve_d]

Hey again... Have a ticket for sale. Just trying to get rid of it. Its not the best seat - row x, but it is on the end of the row so easy to get to. Just looking to sell. Paid 96$, but selling for 50$. PM me

[razorsedge]

Also have ticket for sale...one for PJ...row F center so primo seat...49.00 and....

one row G center for night show...again primo...90.00...PM me as on road..will be at host hotel by dinner Thursday

[SteveKing]

20 Superheavies... should be an awesome show

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Saw a few pics. Can't wait to see who the new pros will be.
Prejudging should be starting just about now. Good luck to everyone!!

[SteveKing]

Lots of big strong classes. LHW was nuts... about 30 guys. My opinion after prejudging is that Greg Doucette is the must polished guy in the show. Looks amazing. Some classes there was an easy winner.... but most it is VERY close. There is no clear winner in HW or SHW in my opinion. The top 3 in supers are Ron, Jerome, and Antoine. Mark Richman is in the mix for HW with a couple guys too (Leon Eastman included).

[budguy]

Any more updates in HW?

[SteveKing]

I will half ass this,
Masters men's middle
3 ken French
2 Lawson
1 Ryan wayward. Ab

[SteveKing]

I will half ass this,
Masters men's middle
3 ken French
2 Lawson
1 Ryan wayward. Ab

[SteveKing]

Masters heavy
3 Leon Eastman
2 Danny garon from ns
1 Larry vinette

Crowd booing . Want Chris Wong in top 3

[SteveKing]

Masters and overall procard to Larry vinitte

[Big_Papa_B]

Masters heavy
3 Leon Eastman
2 Danny garon from ns
1 Larry vinette

Crowd booing . Want Chris Wong in top 3

crowd should boo....didn't understand that call at at....Wong easy top 3

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Women Masters Overall and Pro Card - Nancy Clark

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[MuSuLPhReAk]

Women Physique Pro Cards
- Nicole Fedeluk (http://www.canadabodybuilding.com/showthread.php?16159-Nicole-Boyne-Fedeluk-IFBB-Pro) (Nicole Boyne)
- Keashia Wester

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[SteveKing]

WomeN heavy
3 Clark
2 Sharon somebody
3 Joanne somebody from ontario

[MuSuLPhReAk]

^^
2 Sharon Mould

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1 Joanne Williams

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[SteveKing]

Women's bbing overall and pro card - Joanne Williams

I will leave the rest to you mp. Lol

[MuSuLPhReAk]

I will leave the rest to you mo. Lol

Actually if you continue as you do, I will fill in the blanks as I don't have any eyes there this year but I know a good majority of the competitors.

[SuperQT]

Women's bbing overall is joanne

I will leave the rest to you mp. Lol

She won her pro card? If so that's awesome

[SteveKing]

Pro Card 2 to Sharon Mould

[chordz]

Women's bbing overall is joanne

I will leave the rest to you mp. Lol


Congrats to Joanne.

[SteveKing]

9:30 and just starting bantam weight. Fml. This needs to be a 2 day show

[SuperQT]

Women Physique Pro Cards
- Nicole Fedeluk (http://www.canadabodybuilding.com/showthread.php?16159-Nicole-Boyne-Fedeluk-IFBB-Pro) (Nicole Boyne)
- Keashia Wester

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How many woman did physique? Any word on the placings in each class?

[MuSuLPhReAk]

What I know right now is that it should have been 2 classes Short/Tall.

Short
1 - Nicole Fedeluk
2 - Keashia Wester

Tall
1 - Cynthia Jansen
2 -
3 - Cheryl Hrytzak
4 - Linda Vickers

[SteveKing]

Men bantam
2 mike mazar
1 Tun Tun Thant from sask
3 Paul Deshara ?

[SteveKing]

Lw
3 josh Ontario
2 roger from ab
1 Phillipe Kosmas ab

[SteveKing]

Sorry bout names

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Don't sweat it. I'll go back and edit what I can.

[SteveKing]

Welter
3 lemieux
2 Dustin somebody
1 Steve marsh ? From Manitoba

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Steve Marsh is correct. Found him winning the overall in the 2007 MABBA Provincials.

Almost there :)

[SteveKing]

Phone is dead. Sorry last post
Middleweight
3 ed McLean
2 Danny Cicerillio from Ontario
1 Mahmoud Al Durrah From quebec

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Thanks Steve.

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Light-Heavyweight

3 - Paul Teixeira ?
2 - Tony Searle
1 - Greg Doucette

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Heavyweight

3 - Danny Garon
2 - Mark Richman
1 - Zane Watson

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Super-Heavyweight

5 - Marlon John ?
4 - Christopher Wong ?
3 - Jerome Bravo
2 - Ron Partlow
1 - Antoine Vaillant

[MuSuLPhReAk]

2 New IFBB Pros coming up.

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Antoine Vaillant Mr. Canada 2012 and NEW IFBB PRO

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Greg Doucette is also a NEW IFBB PRO!

[MuSuLPhReAk]

2011 Mr. Canada Mike Johnson taking a pic with 2012 Mr. Canada Antoine Vaillant.

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[razorsedge]

Women Masters Overall and Pro Card - Nancy Clark

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Yep...that's my girl. Big props to JonnyO for engineering another project. JO did the technical end while I did the grunt end in the gym and was the eyes and ears on the project which worked awesome for all involved. Great day...met lots of great people....pretty proud of my honey every day but tonite was special!!

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Congrats to Nancy, you and JohnnyO. Quite an accomplishment.

Also I just saw an update on Cynthia Jansen's FB page and she also got a pro card. She came in 1st in the Physique Tall Division. So for Physique, they gave out 3 pro cards.

[Delt King]

Huge congratulations to Greg! awesome

Also shout out to Dangit on a 2nd in masters and 3rd place in heavy. I see a masters Pro card next yr for you.

[Andre]

I posted almost 300 pics I took over the weekend in this album...
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10151014171211297.415152.584311296&type=1

My good buddy Christopher Wong came in 4th in SH and 4th in Masters Heavy... I think he got robbed in the Masters class, but that's just my 2 cents... his colouring didn't work out as planned as was much darker at the Toronto show... it's still pretty impressive for a 45 year old who up until last year in Sudbury hasn't competed since since his 20's and made to the National stage top 5 in his 1st National show...
http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/409589_4113379407087_1086560460_n.jpg

[dangit]

Christopher Wong looked incredible! Get to this guy up close and your jaw just drops! HUGE and ripped!

[JonnyO]

Yes WOng should have been top 3 in the Masters heavy, that Leon guy was 8 months preggo and had a nice hernia going on. That stuff should be marked down for it was disgusting. My other guy Rowan Vrooman was top 5 in that class with Wong, he's very impressive.

[Andre]

This speaks for itself... the judges who scored Leon ahead need to get an eye examination!!!
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/201711_10151022435206297_97663743_o.jpg

[blp]

very ugly even me i was wtf ,,

[dangit]

Here's a vid for the overalls.


http://youtu.be/WudWIqwuPy4

[JMP]

Wow , this certainly shows your correct , im presuming back double bi shots look very simular ( wasnt at the show) .....





This speaks for itself... the judges who scored Leon ahead need to get an eye examination!!!
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/201711_10151022435206297_97663743_o.jpg

[steve_d]

I'm working on getting all my videos up for youtube. I have a good one of the masters heavy that I am rendering as we speak. Will upload to youtube tonight. I've also got another for the light heavies with greg, larry and tony.


http://youtu.be/49NgBNjovww

I've got another for superheavies. I'll also post up Danny's routine. I also have a good one of the overall. thank god I have a really good camera with image stabilization!@! I was on the phone with Ange at 3am her time with my cell phone in 1 hand, video cam in the other, hands shaking like a mofo! I REALLY think greg had it in the bag - he truly was the most polished in this show. Antoine was just massive and dropped just enough water from morning to night to pull off the overall win. Greg was incredibly please about winning the light heavies, and of course the 2nd pro card!

I was glad I was able to be there to see it all happen!

[Andre]

I was there and Greg looked real good... he obviously was smaller than Antoine, but he was better conditioned and more symmetrical... the last time I checked the definition of body building this should have put Greg ahead of Antoine... the photos don't lie!

[Andre]

4th place masters heavy on the left vs 1st place masters heavy and PROCARD winner on the right... who do you think looks more like a pro?!?!? I do admit that Larry Vinette has more pro tan! lol
http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/553844_10151024139806297_193645191_n.jpg

[Andre]

Here's what the CBBF had to say... what a stupid fugin sport this can sometimes!!!
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/546625_10151024162551297_939157505_n.jpg

[Andre]

double post...

[JonnyO]

Its politics, that Leon guy has looked like this for a long time now and hes always placed. I thought they were to be marked down for guts? Nothing against him but he looked like a train wreck.

And Andre, looking at your Avatar I remember seeing you there at the show but didnt know it was you or else Id of said hello.

[Andre]

Yup... it was me! lol

Here's the official word from the IFBB...
7.Abdominals and Thighs Pose:

Facing the judges and audience, the bodybuilder will place the two arms behind the head and will extend one leg forward. He will also contract the abdominal muscles by bending slightly the trunk forward. At the same time, he will contract the muscles of the thigh placed ahead. The abdominal muscles must be fully flexed and the stomach should not be distended.

Its important to note that the one-arm variation of the abdominal pose isn't considered and official pose, unless the Head Judge asks for the specific pose.

http://www.ifbbpro.com/wp-content/uploads/image/2009/results/2009mrolympia/2009mro_cutler7.jpg


Its politics, that Leon guy has looked like this for a long time now and hes always placed. I thought they were to be marked down for guts? Nothing against him but he looked like a train wreck.

And Andre, looking at your Avatar I remember seeing you there at the show but didnt know it was you or else Id of said hello.

[Praetorian]

I definitely had Leon lower...same thing happened to me in 2010 they placed him higher...no offense but his physique is a mess. Chris should have been higher in Masters and he most likely would have but he still needs better conditioning. He doesn't have the detail in his legs and he needs to dry out more. Size and shape wise hes all there...if he can come in sliced and dry he will clean up...even in the SHW class.
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[Andre]

I definitely had Leon lower...same thing happened to me in 2010 they placed him higher...no offense but his physique is a mess. Chris should have been higher in Masters and he most likely would have but he still needs better conditioning. He doesn't have the detail in his legs and he needs to dry out more. Size and shape wise hes all there...if he can come in sliced and dry he will clean up...even in the SHW class.
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Thanks for the positive constructive criticism... I will pass it along to Chris... he was so upset that he said he's done with the sport... hopefully I can get him to reconsider as I really believe in the guy! And it would be a shame to see his potential go to waste!!!

[Hosehead]

Thanks for the positive constructive criticism... I will pass it along to Chris... he was so upset that he said he's done with the sport... hopefully I can get him to reconsider as I really believe in the guy! And it would be a shame to see his potential go to waste!!!

I was just about to post something along the lines of competitive bbing being as legitimate as professional wrestling until you mentioned it as being a 'sport'. I've always had a problem with this. IMO it's not a sport. It's an athletic endeavour. A beauty contest that involves physical punishment. And as long as decisions like this are made I can't take the whole thing too seriously. It is painfully obvious that the guy has 'business interests' with the people who placed him ina spot where he had no right being. saying it's politics is a PC way of saying there is crooked shit going on. He should retire from competition and so should the turds who placed him ahead of Chris. It's a disgrace.

[natenator]

Thanks for the positive constructive criticism... I will pass it along to Chris... he was so upset that he said he's done with the sport... hopefully I can get him to reconsider as I really believe in the guy! And it would be a shame to see his potential go to waste!!!

Not trying to be a dick here but what potential? Dude is 45 and looks fantastic for any age let alone 45 but what potential are you talking about? IFBB Pro staus potential? Not likely.

[steve_d]

I was going to keep out of this because of the unpopular response I will get, but I just have to add in my 2 cents. I had Leon ahead of Chris. The thing is, we can't simply take a still image of Leon out of his pose and a pic of Chris in his pose and make a comparison. When you see the video, you will notice yes, Leon got a distended gut, but he can in fact hit the abs pose, and when he does get into position, it actually doesn't look that bad. He's definitely cut. Even if that wasn't the case , a thigh and abdominal is 1 body part, 1 pose.

I will agree with everyone that Leon haas a distended gut. However, that is 1 flaw. Chris had no cuts in his legs from the side poses, and no width in his hams (again, from the side poses). He is massive yes, and has potential to imrpove and do even better on the national stage despite his age. But again, both competitors had flaws, while both had strengths. The most notable distinction between the two was legs. Leon's legs trumps the other bodyparts that Chris may have had on Leon. Overall conditioning would probably go to Leon, Symmetry was actually a toss up depending what you favor. Leon's gut = bad. Chris's legs need improvement. Plus, it isn't judged on whoever wins best 2 out of 3 in symmetry, mass, conditioning. It goes much deeper than that and you simply have to trust the judges.

Overall if you ask anyone, they would probably rather have chris's look... so in that sense chris wins on symmetry. Pose for pose, cuts for cuts, mass for mass...I honestly had Leon ahead, with Chris not too far behind. On the National stage legs are highly favored. Just look at any of the classes. It's legs that one the show. Antoine beat ron IMO only because his legs were bigger. Zane beat richman because of legs. Greg beat Tony because of legs. Danny Garon was up there in all classes because of his legs.

That said, all chris needs is bigger legs, and he will put guys like Leon to shame.

I will post the video's soon (they are taking longer to upload to youtube than I thought, so I'll do it overnight when I am home from work). I will not disagree with anyone who believes Chris should have been 3rd in the masters. I think there is a justification either way depending what you favor. However same can be said for Leon taking 3rd in the masters. 1 thing I will never agree on though... There is no comparison between Larry and Chris... Larry won the masters hands down without question.

[Andre]

That's the great thing about this sport Steve... everyone can have an opinion... Here are some other comparison shots of Chris vs. Leon... I also believe (my opinion obviously lol) that Chris could have taken 3rd in the open SH instead of Jerome... not sure what what up with Jerome's legs...
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/210794_10151026247926297_1097021866_o.jpg

[natenator]

Jerome looked like crap. I can't stand his attitude as he thinks he is gods gift to bodybuilding but he has all the tools to get the job done on stage but he just can't seem to get there for some reason.

If he'd stop going for size and instead worry about condition I think he'd have a pro card by now.

[Andre]

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/321976_10151026248961297_937589292_o.jpg
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/479426_10151026248261297_153528689_o.jpg
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/326621_10151026248461297_457717053_o.jpg
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/456480_10151026248691297_1864497990_o.jpg

[steve_d]

That's the great thing about this sport Steve... everyone can have an opinion... Here are some other comparison shots of Chris vs. Leon... I also believe (my opinion obviously lol) that Chris could have taken 3rd in the open SH instead of Jerome... not sure what what up with Jerome's legs...
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/210794_10151026247926297_1097021866_o.jpg

Yeah, also you have to make note that Leon and Chris actually tied for 3rd. A tie breaker gave it to Leon, so its not like it was cut and dry... They were definitely close! Also, in the SHW, it was close, only 2 points seperated, so there would definitely be some judges who had chris ahead of bravo.

In my mind, Ron had the SHW division in the bag. Antoine was soft, he was much drier at night, as he always is - but in the morning, it was Ron's IMO. Judges obviously didn't see it that way as it was nearly unanimous for Antoine. Nationals has basically been decided on conditioning 9 times out of 10 in any/every class... Same as the overall - Much smaller guys have won on conditioning alone when the SHW showed up soft. (ex. Mike johnson, vince warwyck, santana). I am biased but I thought my bro had the overall. I wasn't shocked that he didn't win it though... That's bodybuilding! I would have however been extremely shocked if he didn't get the 2nd card.


What I want to see is a guy like Marlon John show up in out of this world mind blowing condition... This sport is difficult, because you have guys like that who would easily take an overall win any year if only they could just shred it up some!

[Andre]

I had Ron ahead of Antoine as well...

[Andre]

As I revisit the photos of the show, I have to say that Chris's colour really hurt him!!!

[Praetorian]

I agree Andre...he looked pale...added colour could have moved him up a placing. Looking at both Chris and Leon (again for the tenth time) there is no comparison...easily Chris. I didnt think he was better than Jerome...but he does have the potential. He needs to work on a few things....details...bring the legs up, get grainy conditioning, get a nice dark colour, really work on polishing the physique. He doesn't need to get much bigger he just needs to bring up some weak points and present a better overall package.

I also had Ron ahead of Antoine...the show is judged in the morning so not sure what happened there.

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[Praetorian]

Jerome looked like crap. I can't stand his attitude as he thinks he is gods gift to bodybuilding but he has all the tools to get the job done on stage but he just can't seem to get there for some reason.

If he'd stop going for size and instead worry about condition I think he'd have a pro card by now.

Jerome followed a prep guys advice which backfired on him. He is doing the NA in a week so we will see how he looked doing it himself.
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[natenator]

Jerome followed a prep guys advice which backfired on him. He is doing the NA in a week so we will see how he looked doing it himself.
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Mile van wick? Lol

[Big_Papa_B]

Just for the record this is what Chris Wong had to say about this whole thing....

I just want to speak for myself on the outcome of my placement. I started my prep 18 weeks from this show. I promised myself to bring the best package I can bring for Nationals. It was a long road but I feel I set out and accomplished what I planned. I am not the only one that made that decision. Everyone that competed put their lives on hold to do the same. When I was backstage looking around everyone did their homework and there was not one person I saw that didn't belong there. So I would like to congratulate every competitor there. This is a competition and it's judged by the finest in Canada. We all know that these kinds of competitions can be subjective but that is part of it.
I went there to have fun and to see how I can place among the finest athletes that Canada has. Just for the record, "I am happy with my placement." There is the opinions of others that may feel differently but please understand that everyone is entitled to their own opinions.
The best part of this journey is that I have meet some amazing people along the way that share the same intrest and that means more to me than first place.
So I want to congratulate everyone that made it to the National Stage this past weekend.

Your Friend,
Chris "King Kong" Wong

[TT Eric]

Great speech from C.W. Props.

Eric

[natenator]

Wish we could "like" on here :)


Just for the record this is what Chris Wong had to say about this whole thing....

I just want to speak for myself on the outcome of my placement. I started my prep 18 weeks from this show. I promised myself to bring the best package I can bring for Nationals. It was a long road but I feel I set out and accomplished what I planned. I am not the only one that made that decision. Everyone that competed put their lives on hold to do the same. When I was backstage looking around everyone did their homework and there was not one person I saw that didn't belong there. So I would like to congratulate every competitor there. This is a competition and it's judged by the finest in Canada. We all know that these kinds of competitions can be subjective but that is part of it.
I went there to have fun and to see how I can place among the finest athletes that Canada has. Just for the record, "I am happy with my placement." There is the opinions of others that may feel differently but please understand that everyone is entitled to their own opinions.
The best part of this journey is that I have meet some amazing people along the way that share the same intrest and that means more to me than first place.
So I want to congratulate everyone that made it to the National Stage this past weekend.

Your Friend,
Chris "King Kong" Wong

[blp]

jerome couldnt flex is legs ,,,, jerome goin madrid brazil arnola classic amateur against lekusov ,,

no guru backfire on jerome , he still on with sammer n mike ,,

sammer has peculiar view , some had work , some has not ,, it part of th game ,,

bravo did not break anything n was a gentlemen ,.... loosing is part of growing ,,

[steve_d]

Just for the record this is what Chris Wong had to say about this whole thing....

I just want to speak for myself on the outcome of my placement. I started my prep 18 weeks from this show. I promised myself to bring the best package I can bring for Nationals. It was a long road but I feel I set out and accomplished what I planned. I am not the only one that made that decision. Everyone that competed put their lives on hold to do the same. When I was backstage looking around everyone did their homework and there was not one person I saw that didn't belong there. So I would like to congratulate every competitor there. This is a competition and it's judged by the finest in Canada. We all know that these kinds of competitions can be subjective but that is part of it.
I went there to have fun and to see how I can place among the finest athletes that Canada has. Just for the record, "I am happy with my placement." There is the opinions of others that may feel differently but please understand that everyone is entitled to their own opinions.
The best part of this journey is that I have meet some amazing people along the way that share the same intrest and that means more to me than first place.
So I want to congratulate everyone that made it to the National Stage this past weekend.

Your Friend,
Chris "King Kong" Wong

Awesome - hope to see him back. He really did improve from his first show (what was it just within the past year or two?)... Another year and who knows... a masters overall win is NOT out of the question. I think its quite possible actually

[razorsedge]

[QUOTE=steve_d;435406] I am biased but I thought my bro had the overall. /QUOTE]


Without a doubt!!! Best in show..........

[Andre]

Awesome - hope to see him back. He really did improve from his first show (what was it just within the past year or two?)... Another year and who knows... a masters overall win is NOT out of the question. I think its quite possible actually

His 1st show in 20 years was last year Sudbury...
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/210768_10151028634801297_1293730640_o.jpg

[Andre]

It's hard to understand how big of a man Chris is lol... his forearms are like tree trunks... his biceps are over 22" on stage lol
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/326567_10151018387301297_669338390_o.jpg

[Hosehead]

It's hard to understand how big of a man Chris is lol... his forearms are like tree trunks... his biceps are over 22" on stage lol
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/326567_10151018387301297_669338390_o.jpg

From this shot it appears as though his midsection has a better taper than Antoine's. Legs could come up some, as mentioned previously. Arms are ridiculous.

[Andre]

Video of Chris on the road to the Nationals :D


http://youtu.be/5qwnMLdlzw0

[Praetorian]

Mile van wick? Lol

No Mike helped him with his training but diet wise it was a different guy.
P

[Praetorian]

jerome couldnt flex is legs ,,,, jerome goin madrid brazil arnola classic amateur against lekusov ,,

no guru backfire on jerome , he still on with sammer n mike ,,

sammer has peculiar view , some had work , some has not ,, it part of th game ,,

bravo did not break anything n was a gentlemen ,.... loosing is part of growing ,,

His words not mine...hes doing NA on his own.
P

[steve_d]

Finally!! My videos have been uploaded: Crank up the HD on youtube if you want full quality.

Men's Overall


http://youtu.be/DtOKLYgVC0I

[steve_d]

Men's Master Overall


http://youtu.be/UEhRvjH7-sM

[steve_d]

Light Heavy top 5 / posedown


http://youtu.be/8aboeUT02CQ

[steve_d]

Super Heavy First call out. I may have zoomed the top 3 only here.


http://youtu.be/-pqoQgYs114

[steve_d]

Masters Heavy first call out


http://youtu.be/bzk1pCm9Rec

[steve_d]

Masters Heavy top 4


http://youtu.be/kUico4I10qA

[steve_d]

Heavy weight first call out


http://youtu.be/hdoNNoEwZsA

[steve_d]

My brother's Routine


http://youtu.be/u-AFDDH6LFc

[fitbody]

i would like to congratulate all the women from 2012 Canadian Nationals who got their pro cards

bbing...
Nancy Clark (overall masters champ)
Joanne Williams (overall womens open)
Sharon Mould

physique....
Danielle MacPherson
Keashia Wester

[dangit]

Man, It's like night and day how I looked two hours later with a bit of salt and extra food in me. I was cramping up bad in the Masters and couldn't pose at all. Once I got out, I got a bit of salt in me, a few reeses pieces, couple of twix bars, flat coke and wammo... I was a new man and felt like I could pose all day long. Plus I didn't bother pumping for the Heavy Open. Just made a huge difference. Thanks Steve for putting up those vids :)

[steve_d]

Man, It's like night and day how I looked two hours later with a bit of salt and extra food in me. I was cramping up bad in the Masters and couldn't pose at all. Once I got out, I got a bit of salt in me, a few reeses pieces, couple of twix bars, flat coke and wammo... I was a new man and felt like I could pose all day long. Plus I didn't bother pumping for the Heavy Open. Just made a huge difference. Thanks Steve for putting up those vids :)

I got your routine too if you want me to upload it. Just say the word

[dangit]

Yeah... might as well. You were at a way better spot than Janelle. My routine wasn't really a routine though :) haha... Just me throwing poses together. I kept putting it off, was always too run down and then last minute forgot what I had sort of set up so I really winged it. Was fun though :) Not as fun as the posedowns. I'm glad I wasn't in the overalls posedown. Greg must have been beat after that. They really milked it. Was a blast to watch.

[steve_d]

here it is!


http://youtu.be/YKD85V4bjyc

[Hosehead]

here it is!


http://youtu.be/YKD85V4bjyc

Good routine , great build, shit music. You have a dramatic build, worthy of dramatic music. It's hard for me to be objective because I hate that mindless droning shit BUT even still it's not dramatic. There is no climax or build up to each pose. It's that garbage one would here in a club while looking at pussy, not a massive bodybuilder. The music doesn't say I lift heavy weights. I don't what it says but IMO it doesn't give your body credit for what it is. You are thick as ****, choose some music that reflects that. Your whole package was BIG, bring some BIG music next time. Not what you like , what compliments your body. But again, let me congratulate you on your hard work. Nothing missing IMO !

[BigGuns21]

Light Heavy top 5 / posedown


http://youtu.be/8aboeUT02CQ

Now that i've had time to review pics and videos. I can say with certainty that I had 4th place beat. I had a ton of people tell me that at the show but it's hard to tell until you can see comparisons. But all in all it was a great showing for my first Nat's and I walked away as the new Mutant sponsored athlete, so I'm very happy how it all went down.

[steve_d]

you can't say anything with certainty from pictures or videos - at least unless you were standing side by side with him in the pics and vids. I don't remember, but was he (or the 5th place guy) at least in your group during the initial comparisons? It's the only way to really know. I was crazy impressed with Rob 4.0 - like a totally new you from sudbury and then more recently provincials. But I dunno - that top 5 lineup was pretty insane. the 4th and 5th weren't even that far off larry tony and greg.

Even still, in most classes the 6th place finisher is better than the 5th place finisher. So I don't doubt for a second you could have been properly placed higher. 6th means you won the 2nd callout. generally its tough to get the first call out perfectly accurate. In a perfect world, with unlimited time, the 6th place would then be compared with the lower half of the first call out. Often this would change placings. This should only be used as added fuel. Next time at nationals you should be coming home with a top 3 finish - or better.

Ange just pointed something I completely forgot about and probably a good reason to be bummed about coming 6th...This means you need to requalify. Oh well, like I said - overall mr. ontario is a pretty fun title to have before moving to bigger things!

[Mtl Muscle Machine]

Funny Andre, I didn't know that height was a critiria for a pro card, lol.

[Andre]

Did I ever say it was? lol

[Mtl Muscle Machine]

Andre, I'm commenting on the pic you posted of me (Larry) and Chris implying he deserved the pro card more than me. Aside from being taller, I don't see how you can make such a claim, sorry.

[Andre]

Larry, with all due respect... the great thing about this sport is that everyone is entitled to an opinion... and my opinion is that Chris looks way more like a 'pro' bodybuilder than you do... that's only my 2 cents from the peanut gallery lol

[Mtl Muscle Machine]

Fair enough Andre.

[steve_d]

I'm sorry, but I have to jump in here (everyone has a right to an opinion right?) ... Opinions aren't always just opinions. They can be right and they can be wrong. For example, if it was my opinion that 5 year olds are on average taller than 7 years olds, I would be wrong. Even if that opinion was based on the fact that I know some tall 5 year olds.

All this to say that there is no way that if someone were to know the criteria for judging a bodybuilding show they would say chris looks more like a pro than larry. It was not even close to be honest, and not 1 judge would have said otherwise. I know you like Chris from the various posts promoting him as a bodybuilder - and perhaps he has potential to be a pro with improvements in the right areas, but the more you post about how chris deserved to win, etc, the more you start seeming you don't know what the judging criteria actually is.

Bodybuilding is subjective - yes, I can accept that, however there is a fair amount of objectivity involved in this sport as a judged sport. it isn't just a matter of striclty preference of (for example) what one might favor in a bodybuilder. Often you will see a picture of two guys - one huge and ripped, the other smaller and ripped. You'll get people who detest the look of a huge bodybuilder. Just the other day, I saw a pic on facebook of fouad - 2011 vs. 2001 or something. Started seeing comments of 'i prefer the 2001 version'... doesn't mean some judges can say he was a better bodybuilder in 2001. (well, they can say it, but they'd be wrong).

So anyway, I don't usually voice myself on people's opinions, but as I've judged some shows, I had to pipe up. I hope that you understand why he didn't win, and you can accept the decisions made.

[razorsedge]

Chris was great...a big man with good size and potential to turn pro with better conditioning and prob more size for his frame....Larry...well he was awesome and looked like a pro NOW,,,,full package...great muscularity, lines, symmetry and conditioned like a pro...since we are giving opinions

[natenator]

I wasn't there and pics don't really transfer that well from actually being there but from pics, Larry, as razor said, israel material now.

[Prisoner#22]

I'm sorry, but I have to jump in here (everyone has a right to an opinion right?) ... Opinions aren't always just opinions. They can be right and they can be wrong. For example, if it was my opinion that 5 year olds are on average taller than 7 years olds, I would be wrong. Even if that opinion was based on the fact that I know some tall 5 year olds.

All this to say that there is no way that if someone were to know the criteria for judging a bodybuilding show they would say chris looks more like a pro than larry. It was not even close to be honest, and not 1 judge would have said otherwise. I know you like Chris from the various posts promoting him as a bodybuilder - and perhaps he has potential to be a pro with improvements in the right areas, but the more you post about how chris deserved to win, etc, the more you start seeming you don't know what the judging criteria actually is.

Bodybuilding is subjective - yes, I can accept that, however there is a fair amount of objectivity involved in this sport as a judged sport. it isn't just a matter of striclty preference of (for example) what one might favor in a bodybuilder. Often you will see a picture of two guys - one huge and ripped, the other smaller and ripped. You'll get people who detest the look of a huge bodybuilder. Just the other day, I saw a pic on facebook of fouad - 2011 vs. 2001 or something. Started seeing comments of 'i prefer the 2001 version'... doesn't mean some judges can say he was a better bodybuilder in 2001. (well, they can say it, but they'd be wrong).

So anyway, I don't usually voice myself on people's opinions, but as I've judged some shows, I had to pipe up. I hope that you understand why he didn't win, and you can accept the decisions made.

Then please go ahead and try to justify my placing at this year's nationals, or for that matter the placing of the entire HW line up!! and why did Mark not win?

Unfortunately there is absolutely no accountability, and it's a travesty of what the sport is suppose to be.

[steve_d]

Then please go ahead and try to justify my placing at this year's nationals, or for that matter the placing of the entire HW line up!! and why did Mark not win?

Unfortunately there is absolutely no accountability, and it's a travesty of what the sport is suppose to be.

I certainly can't justify your placings... You wouldn't have even had a place if it were not for someone noticing you didn't get called out yet. Obviously someone goofed big time there. Those things shouldn't happen, but they happen even at the pro stage. They should really have systems in place to prevent that from happening - even if it means making the pre-judging take longer. For example, all judges should have a say on all call outs ... not just the head judge.

I agree with mark coming 2nd though. I liked zane better and understand how the majority would have agreed. I liked mark best when he won the heavies a few years ago. He's made changes to his physique, but not necessarily favorable - still a great bodybuilder and I expect to see him win a pro card at some point in his career - . Zane was off though, and I think a guy like that could really come in shape and have a commanding win. I don't always agree with judges decisions... But I back them up when I do. I can accept someone saying a guy like you didn't deserve practically last place. Or someone like rob graham saying he perhaps deserved a 1st call out. But I can't agree with saying chris deserved to turn pro and beat a guy like larry.

[Nicknroll]

and you are right !!!Chris was soft in the morning....i mean ...very soft.....nobody can win a national and turn pro with this condition (morning) at night he was better...but still have to improve .....BUT yes he got an incredible physique and can turn pro sooner then later......As for Mark....sorry guys but he got a gut like samer zebib.....its going to be very hard for him to win if he doesnt choose to drop some weights and get rid of this stomach......BUT again.....he got everything to win a national....but he looked like he try hard to go for the size even if the conditionning was very very good.....in this show 2 guy had a flawless condionning and it was Larry and Greg......Antoine won the show cause of his overall physique and incredible unbeatable legs.....he still got to work on conditionning a bit but hes very close from his goal....

[razorsedge]

and you are right !!!Chris was soft in the morning....i mean ...very soft.....nobody can win a national and turn pro with this condition (morning) at night he was better...but still have to improve .....BUT yes he got an incredible physique and can turn pro sooner then later......As for Mark....sorry guys but he got a gut like samer zebib.....its going to be very hard for him to win if he doesnt choose to drop some weights and get rid of this stomach......BUT again.....he got everything to win a national....but he looked like he try hard to go for the size even if the conditionning was very very good.....in this show 2 guy had a flawless condionning and it was Larry and Greg......Antoine won the show cause of his overall physique and incredible unbeatable legs.....he still got to work on conditionning a bit but hes very close from his goal....

You are absolutely dead on here bro...nice post!!

[Prisoner#22]

I certainly can't justify your placings... You wouldn't have even had a place if it were not for someone noticing you didn't get called out yet. Obviously someone goofed big time there. Those things shouldn't happen, but they happen even at the pro stage. They should really have systems in place to prevent that from happening - even if it means making the pre-judging take longer. For example, all judges should have a say on all call outs ... not just the head judge.

I agree with mark coming 2nd though. I liked zane better and understand how the majority would have agreed. I liked mark best when he won the heavies a few years ago. He's made changes to his physique, but not necessarily favorable - still a great bodybuilder and I expect to see him win a pro card at some point in his career - . Zane was off though, and I think a guy like that could really come in shape and have a commanding win. I don't always agree with judges decisions... But I back them up when I do. I can accept someone saying a guy like you didn't deserve practically last place. Or someone like rob graham saying he perhaps deserved a 1st call out. But I can't agree with saying chris deserved to turn pro and beat a guy like larry.

Well Zane does have an impressive physique in the lower body, it is also because he as very short legs and a long torso. Richman may need to think about comming in a few lbs lighter and harder to really be noticed but he was in better condition than Zane was. Zane's arms and delts at this contest looked very provincial I must say, and his legs did not look as impressive when viewing the sweep from the side. Richman has the upperbody mass Zane is Lacking. C'mon are people winning contest now because they are all legs? I believe you have to have decent leg developement but you better have exceptional upperbody developement.

[Hosehead]

Well Zane does have an impressive physique in the lower body, it is also because he as very short legs and a long torso. Richman may need to think about comming in a few lbs lighter and harder to really be noticed but he was in better condition than Zane was. Zane's arms and delts at this contest looked very provincial I must say, and his legs did not look as impressive when viewing the sweep from the side. Richman has the upperbody mass Zane is Lacking. C'mon are people winning contest now because they are all legs? I believe you have to have decent leg developement but you better have exceptional upperbody developement.

And I totally disagree. Decent legs aren't good enough IMO to be passing out pro cards. I don't think anyone has won with just legs but I'd rather see a guy with superior leg development won over a guy that has better upper body development, conditioning being equal of course.There are dozens more guys who have far better upper bodies than lower bodies at every level. That makes them less special IMO. But that's why competitive bodybuilding is so subjective and that's why I cringe when people call it a sport. There are too many different opnions on what constitutes the 'best' body come contest time. Not surprisingly my legs are my best bodypart when I am healthy :(.

[steve_d]

And I'd have to totally agree with p22... It actually does seem that way about the importance of legs. I've noticed this in the past few years, and it's actually starting to morph our bodybuilders, lol. "Symmetry" by definition of matching left and right, top to bottom has changed over the years. All of a sudden what used to be 'wow, his legs are over sized for his upper body' is now 'holy, his legs are huge, lets not look at anyone else!' ... I exagerate, but still - that is what is happening. If you don't have legs, you aren't winning or placing at nationals. I said this in an earlier post. Sure, if you have an upper body to match, its not just your legs bringing you there. But guys like zane actually won purely on legs. Antoine probably one his class based on out sizing partlow's legs. Danny garron has insane legs, and that no doubt helped him into the top spots in all his classes.

But take someone like Rob Graham - his overpowering delts and arms didn't bring him into the top spot. However, you put that equivalent strength into his lower half, and all of a sudden he could have stringy arms and likely make a first call out or top 3 with the same degree of over powering legs.

I am not saying this is wrong, its just the way it is. Same as in figure where they decided years ago you had to have capped delts, and lean sleak lines in the lower half, etc... They used to say a 'y' shape was figure and the 'x' shape was bodybuilding. But really, after a while the girls start looking like super heroes (which is cool and all), but how is it symmetrical when they stop working out 4-5 bodyparts altogether just to become 'symmetrical'. Biceps and triceps are a no-no for figure, but delts, back, some degree of legs and calfs are a must. but not muscular legs of course...

Anyway, these same concepts are starting to get into the bodybuilding world. Most often, a bodybuilder will need to make legs a primary focus.

[BigGuns21]

I certainly can't justify your placings... You wouldn't have even had a place if it were not for someone noticing you didn't get called out yet. Obviously someone goofed big time there. Those things shouldn't happen, but they happen even at the pro stage. They should really have systems in place to prevent that from happening - even if it means making the pre-judging take longer. For example, all judges should have a say on all call outs ... not just the head judge.

I agree with mark coming 2nd though. I liked zane better and understand how the majority would have agreed. I liked mark best when he won the heavies a few years ago. He's made changes to his physique, but not necessarily favorable - still a great bodybuilder and I expect to see him win a pro card at some point in his career - . Zane was off though, and I think a guy like that could really come in shape and have a commanding win. I don't always agree with judges decisions... But I back them up when I do. I can accept someone saying a guy like you didn't deserve practically last place. Or someone like rob graham saying he perhaps deserved a 1st call out. But I can't agree with saying chris deserved to turn pro and beat a guy like larry.

This exact same thing happened in our LH class with Jason Green. He was called out with me in the second call out and before we started to pose was put to the back again and then was never called out until the last call out? I honestly think if it wasn't for his friends going apeshit yelling his number and name, he would not have gotten a call out period. It's like they scratched his name out the first time and forget about him.

I think Steve is right though. Symetry seems to be secondary to huge legs, even if the upper isn't on par, or on par conditioning wise. Zane and I are pretty much direct opposites, I over power up top and he over powers in the legs. When those two are put on the stage at the same time, legs wins. Hopefully in another year my legs are just that much better as they were between Prov and Nat's. At this point there was really no one outsizing me on legs, just deeper separation, but my own upper body can make my legs look smaller than they are by myself, but side to side pics I wasn't giving up overall mass, I just have more of a HW upper and LH lower right now. Stayed tuned though!

[Hosehead]

This exact same thing happened in our LH class with Jason Green. He was called out with me in the second call out and before we started to pose was put to the back again and then was never called out until the last call out? I honestly think if it wasn't for his friends going apeshit yelling his number and name, he would not have gotten a call out period. It's like they scratched his name out the first time and forget about him.

I think Steve is right though. Symetry seems to be secondary to huge legs, even if the upper isn't on par, or on par conditioning wise. Zane and I are pretty much direct opposites, I over power up top and he over powers in the legs. When those two are put on the stage at the same time, legs wins. Hopefully in another year my legs are just that much better as they were between Prov and Nat's. At this point there was really no one outsizing me on legs, just deeper separation, but my own upper body can make my legs look smaller than they are by myself, but side to side pics I wasn't giving up overall mass, I just have more of a HW upper and LH lower right now. Stayed tuned though!

I know Jay from the YMCA in Kingston , where he used to train before moving to Durham region. Good guy. Do you have any pics of Jay from the show ?

[blp]

i was so amazing at 7 am , n look like shit on stage lol anyhow i had a very close view , and richman a way better bber then zane , but mark which is a bber pro to my eyes allready look nervous n shaky deeper th prejudging goes, zane was in very flow , confident , play stage presence well n won big time on charisma , he won everyone

i prefer that year larry to vaillant , vaillant play th media politic like a genius n popular worldwide .., it sure add points , no denial , and i like that fact

with overall thickness antoine vaillant who still very young will do great

alexandre raymond top shape next year , and hopefully hassan in HW it' will be very interesting,,, alex audi will do national next year , dave mitchell who had beaten antoine also ,, a leaner pierre henry will be very dangerous ,,

and th grand master class ,, have you seen those 2 big giants over 50 wtf wow ,,, bow down to them ,,,

and what a crazy insane line up of light heavy ,, un-freakin-believable