Anybody get their lady (or someone else's) pregnant while ON ?

[Hosehead]

I just talked to my doctor and I have ****ing ZERO sperm. I have been taking 250mg test e every week for about two years now. Inside of these two years I ran two cycles. One was 750mg test e and 600mg EQ from December to January (8 weeks) and I had to abruptly stop that one due to a torn meniscus and terrible elbow bursitis. I did taper the test e though,albeit quickly, and it's been back to 250 mg per week from February until the present. While I was on cycle I had my test checked and it was "sky high" according to my family physician. I was up front about my cycle and he basically admitted he knew nothing about gear. That was about two and a half months ago so I'll get my test levels checked again when I see the urologist. Funny thing is that my wife has gotten pregnant twice in the last four years whilst I was in the middle of a cycle - miscarriages both times at week 6. Both times it was 500 mg test e and 300mg deca weekly. So apparently I can get her knocked up while on cycle. I'm wondering if the current problem is due to a cumulative effect or the poor PCT recently. Normally I taper a cycle off over months, not weeks. I'm pretty certain I'll bounce back and that the urologist will have a better understanding of what I have done. In the meantime any feedback is appreciated.

[Talo]

I've never heard of miscarriages being the issue of high or low test in men.

Did she get a shot when she found out she was pregnant ? I know that once the body miscarries she needs to have a shot (can't remember the name) or else it will keep happening.

[Hosehead]

I've never heard of miscarriages being the issue of high or low test in men.

Did she get a shot when she found out she was pregnant ? I know that once the body miscarries she needs to have a shot (can't remember the name) or else it will keep happening.

I'm not asking about the miscarriages per se. I know that has nothing to do with me, I had plenty of sperm then and I was juicing hard. That much I've researched. I'm talking about now, zero sperm.

[cog]

Culmative suppression over time is my guess.

[Andre Gregoire]

I was on Testosterone Replacement Therapy at 200mg ever 2 weeks and after 12 weeks my sperm count went from 12 million to 0 also, that's what is supposed to happen. Happens to about 50% of men in 6 months.

We are trying to conceive so the doc has me off Test and taking nothing for 3 months, then a re-test and we will probably be doing HCG and HMG injections after. My doc beleives there is no point in trying to conceive while on, you are just spinning your wheels.

[GYMBRAT]

my wife had all 3 of our children while I was on large and lengthy cycles

[tex]

wife got preggers while i was on a test susp/tren a/anadrol cycle.....id say it depends on the guy.....

[cog]

He's been on two years straight.

[Talo]

You fella's that have kids while being on, are they all Girls ?

[Hosehead]

Thanks for the feedback guys. I'm just gonna stay off until I see a urologist or endocrinologist. Just waiting. My guess is that the two years being on coupled with the abrupt end to this last cycle ****ed me up. Hopefully it won't be for too long.

[dngerfield]

heire is an article that says testosterone injections can be used for male birth control....check it out

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2009-05-10-testosterone-contraceptive_N.htm

[tex]

@ talo I have 2 girls and 1 boy

[Hosehead]

heire is an article that says testosterone injections can be used for male birth control....check it out

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2009-05-10-testosterone-contraceptive_N.htm

Uh oh. Looks like I'm ****ed. My appointment with the urologist isn't until July. Hopefully my wife's fertility doctor will help.

[wmk]

I read some pretty scary shit about sperm mutating and increasing the likely hood of having a baby with issues while on gear.

[Hosehead]

I read some pretty scary shit about sperm mutating and increasing the likely hood of having a baby with issues while on gear.

Never heard of a pro bodybuilder who has had kids with 'issues'. I've read nothing of the sort. Even our own fertility doctor, family physician and urologist say otherwise. Care to give me something I might wanna read ?

[Praetorian]

I read some pretty scary shit about sperm mutating and increasing the likely hood of having a baby with issues while on gear.

Nonsense!
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[GSNALTA]

My lady was pregnant and i had been on a long cycle..she had a miscarriage.I believe it would have happened regardless of me being on.
Ive never had a sperm count done, but we are currently expecting about 2.5 months along.

[Hosehead]

My lady was pregnant and i had been on a long cycle..she had a miscarriage.I believe it would have happened regardless of me being on.
Ive never had a sperm count done, but we are currently expecting about 2.5 months along.

Up to half of all pegnancies end in miscarriage within the first trimester. Many wmen have two to three miscarriages before they are successful. You are right in believing your AAS use had nothing to do with it.

[tex]

I read some pretty scary shit about sperm mutating and increasing the likely hood of having a baby with issues while on gear. bad info...sperm can mutate due to few diff factors...age being one of them....has nothing to do with aas.....

[scottlove]

Not me, running 750ml. test/week, I've produced 5 boys and 2 of them while my wife was on the pill.

[Hosehead]

So I just found out that I have been taking a drug for 15 years straight that causes hypospermosis. Also causes temporary infertility. Sulfasalazine , which I take for Crohn's disease. So I'm 43 , stayed on a cycle for two straight years and I abruptly ended it with deca going out about the same time as the test. ****ing recipe for sterility if ever there was one. So I have been taking HCG, HMG , Chlomid and Nolva for the last two months. My balls are back to being full but I still have no drive and my loads are miniscule. I had blood levels tested yesterday and am waiting for the results. Bringing in a sperm sample to the lab next week. Any thoughts or encouragement ? Yes, I am ****ing stupid. I need a miracle now.

[scottlove]

So I just found out that I have been taking a drug for 15 years straight that causes hypospermosis. Also causes temporary infertility. Sulfasalazine , which I take for Crohn's disease. So I'm 43 , stayed on a cycle for two straight years and I abruptly ended it with deca going out about the same time as the test. ****ing recipe for sterility if ever there was one. So I have been taking HCG, HMG , Chlomid and Nolva for the last two months. My balls are back to being full but I still have no drive and my loads are miniscule. I had blood levels tested yesterday and am waiting for the results. Bringing in a sperm sample to the lab next week. Any thoughts or encouragement ? Yes, I am ****ing stupid. I need a miracle now. Let me know if your wife needs a sperm donor!

[Praetorian]

Lets see what the lab says...two months is not very long...i would most likely guess 12-16 before your values are near normal.
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[Hosehead]

Lets see what the lab says...two months is not very long...i would most likely guess 12-16 before your values are near normal.
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Yeah, the lab results should tell all. Let's say the results were very poor - should I go for another round of HCG and HMG or just wait it out ? If the results are bad I am ask to see an endo doc so I can get the drugs free. I had zero sperm way back in April and back in June it was 3 million , which is still too small a sample to test for motility. But those loads were huge , they are now miniscule. This next one should indicate which direction I'm going in.

[Hosehead]

Let me know if your wife needs a sperm donor!

Unless your name is Sidney Crosby we're good.

[scottlove]

Unless your name is Sidney Crosby we're good.Damn!

[Andre Gregoire]

HCG and HMG for a long time, some studies show guys on that for 3-4yrs until they successfully impregnate their wives.

My doc has me on 2500iu of HCG and 175iu HMG every 3 days.

[Hosehead]

HCG and HMG for a long time, some studies show guys on that for 3-4yrs until they successfully impregnate their wives.

My doc has me on 2500iu of HCG and 175iu HMG every 3 days.

Wow, that's considerably more than I ran. I ran 500 IU HCG every three days along with Nolva and Chlomid for four weeks then switched to 75 IU HMG every three days along with Nolva and Chlomid for four weeks. Just did my last shot of HMG. I'll see what the lab results say and maybe do another PCT.

[Praetorian]

500iu will most likely do very little.
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[Hosehead]

500iu will most likely do very little.
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I've read that but I've also read that too much will shut you down further. I'd rather err on the safe side. That said, if my results are poor I'll have to try again with an appropriate dose.

[ironwill]

500iu will most likely do very little.
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500 ius eod, does very well..... That is all i have ever done and bloodwork comes back great post pct...Putting that along with hmg is a wonderful thing...
Just finishing pct now and balls are getting in the way all the damn time lol...Bloodwork in 30 days....

[Andre Gregoire]

HCG and HMG for a long time, some studies show guys on that for 3-4yrs until they successfully impregnate their wives.

My doc has me on 2500iu of HCG and 175iu HMG every 3 days.

I did a typo for the HMG I am doing 75iu every 3rd day.

[tex]

500 ius eod, does very well..... That is all i have ever done and bloodwork comes back great post pct...Putting that along with hmg is a wonderful thing...
Just finishing pct now and balls are getting in the way all the damn time lol...Bloodwork in 30 days.... perhaps he was eluding to prescribed doses by docs treating fertility issues being significantly higher ie 2500 ius e3d.......

[Hosehead]

500 ius eod, does very well..... That is all i have ever done and bloodwork comes back great post pct...Putting that along with hmg is a wonderful thing...
Just finishing pct now and balls are getting in the way all the damn time lol...Bloodwork in 30 days....

Well I got the bloodwork back and although my test levels are very low they are coming back. I am at 6.2. In April I was zero and had zero sperm. None. Nada on both counts. My family doctor is pleased and I see an endo in November. Sperm test next week. Looks as though the protocal you suggested did good. Thanks again bro !

[Andre Gregoire]

Well I got the bloodwork back and although my test levels are very low they are coming back. I am at 6.2. In April I was zero and had zero sperm. None. Nada on both counts. My family doctor is pleased and I see an endo in November. Sperm test next week. Looks as though the protocal you suggested did good. Thanks again bro !

6.2 is in the range of a 70+ year old man. Seriously!!! I was between 4 and 8 before I started TRT.

http://www.mens-hormonal-health.com/normal-testosterone-levels.html

I was on HCG 2500iu every 3rd day for 12 weeks and went from 4 to 30 but my sperm count varied from 1-4million still very low. That's why the HMG is coming in. HCG doesn't act like FSH and only increases sperm count in about 50% of males, HMG acts like FSH and LH.

[Hosehead]

6.2 is in the range of a 70+ year old man. Seriously!!! I was between 4 and 8 before I started TRT.

http://www.mens-hormonal-health.com/normal-testosterone-levels.html

I was on HCG 2500iu every 3rd day for 12 weeks and went from 4 to 30 but my sperm count varied from 1-4million still very low. That's why the HMG is coming in. HCG doesn't act like FSH and only increases sperm count in about 50% of males, HMG acts like FSH and LH.


I understand your point here dude but in case you missed it I was at ****ING ZERO ! Not between 4 and 8 when I started the PCT protocal. If I was were you were I'd probably be further ahead by now. I managed to go from zero sperm in April to 3 million in June with no PCT. I didn't start it until August. Hopefully the HMG will kickstart some more sperm. In the last week I have noticed my nuts being fuller , I'm hanging better and thicker and I have some , if very little libido. Before I do anything else I am gonna speak to the endo guy. That'll be another five weeks. If he wants to put me on another PCT protocal then I'm gonna do it. In the meantime I am quite pleased that my system is slowly , but surely, returning to normal. I got to where I am by staying on too long and not doing a proper PCT. I stood by the old taper method but never really went off entirely and that's what ****ed me. That and a drug that causes infertility unbeknownst to me. I appreciate your feedback very much but I am a little gun shy at this juncture to be adding more drugs. And I have read exactly what you suggest on many boards - it appears to be excellent advice. Maybe I could have taken more HCG but I don't regret the way it went. Cheers and thanks for the feedback and advice. Thanks to everyone who has offered up advice. Meanwhile I have been drilling the bejesus out of the old lady for the last five nights after not doing her for over two months. Peace.

[ironwill]

6.2 is in the range of a 70+ year old man. Seriously!!! I was between 4 and 8 before I started TRT.

http://www.mens-hormonal-health.com/normal-testosterone-levels.html

I was on HCG 2500iu every 3rd day for 12 weeks and went from 4 to 30 but my sperm count varied from 1-4million still very low. That's why the HMG is coming in. HCG doesn't act like FSH and only increases sperm count in about 50% of males, HMG acts like FSH and LH.

Hmg is an excellent product...It does as you say act on lh, and fsh, Chlomid acts on fsh as well, and as you say hcg is good for lh....Thats why we combine them, and other reasons of course....

HOsehead, i am very happy things are beginning to come back, and glad your doc is liking what he sees....Good luck with momma, get in there champ....!!!

[Aar0n]

Girlfriend is pregnant as we speak.
750mg of test a week combined with 600mg of tren.

[Hosehead]

Girlfriend is pregnant as we speak.
750mg of test a week combined with 600mg of tren.

****er . I twice impregnated my wife on 500-750 test e and 300mg deca but I wasn't shut down to the point I'm at now when I ran those cycles. Congrats dude !

[Hosehead]

Hmg is an excellent product...It does as you say act on lh, and fsh, Chlomid acts on fsh as well, and as you say hcg is good for lh....Thats why we combine them, and other reasons of course....

HOsehead, i am very happy things are beginning to come back, and glad your doc is liking what he sees....Good luck with momma, get in there champ....!!!

I was in there about an hour ago. I wasn't able to leave much behind unfortunately. Loads are tiny.

[Praetorian]

500 ius eod, does very well..... That is all i have ever done and bloodwork comes back great post pct...Putting that along with hmg is a wonderful thing...
Just finishing pct now and balls are getting in the way all the damn time lol...Bloodwork in 30 days....

Some may respond to 500iu but not many...look at the blood work by hose afterwards....the test increase is barely significant. The easiest way to test this is blood work after a 2 week week run of HCG...typically a blood serum level of >300 ng/dL) the arbitrary cut-off level of 300 ng/dL was used as a general assessment where sufficient Leydig cell stimulation was taking place even in light of artificial stimulation from HCG. If levels are below this then stimulation using HCG is not adequate.

Yes 500iu may work for some and if some wait long enough they will recover just due to time...but for many the stimulation is not strong enough. Canadian pharmaceutical companies producing human grade HCG in Canada also prescribe (on the package insert) vastly larger doses.

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[Aar0n]

****er . I twice impregnated my wife on 500-750 test e and 300mg deca but I wasn't shut down to the point I'm at now when I ran those cycles. Congrats dude !

Thx very much H.H.
Did your gym training decrease when you had your first and second child?